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Land ownership... what a funny concept

 
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No matter what a thief does, it is still my land and will go to my heirs.
By the way, I will not be forced off my land. They may kill me but they will not make me give it up.
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What if the descendants of the previous owners showed up and said "this is my land, it was my family's for generations, you are trespassing and you have to leave"
 Quoting: Mr. Reasonable

Are you 12 years old? Do you not have any idea of how land tile is conveyed? Do you think people just plop their butts down and take it? I cannot believe that you are totally ignorant of laws regarding property.
Do you have a car? A bicycle? Or any thing else you regard as yours? If a previous owner of your car demanded you turn it over to him, would you?
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My, my... testy

Do you have any idea how a title is enforced?

You cannot believe, yet you do... what an assumption to make

Do you by chance know what eminent domain means? If so, what legitimacy does "ownership" have?
 Quoting: Mr. Reasonable


Yes, I do, in fact we just made $24,000 from the highway department for 1/2 acre of road right-of-way. Have no problem with it for legitimate purposes, as long as the owner is recompensed. Do you not understand the concept of pro bono publico?
But you still did not answer my question, would you turn your property over to a previous owner if you had paid for said property?
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What if the descendants of the previous owners showed up and said "this is my land, it was my family's for generations, you are trespassing and you have to leave"
 Quoting: Mr. Reasonable

Are you 12 years old? Do you not have any idea of how land tile is conveyed? Do you think people just plop their butts down and take it? I cannot believe that you are totally ignorant of laws regarding property.
Do you have a car? A bicycle? Or any thing else you regard as yours? If a previous owner of your car demanded you turn it over to him, would you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8836047


My, my... testy

Do you have any idea how a title is enforced?

You cannot believe, yet you do... what an assumption to make

Do you by chance know what eminent domain means? If so, what legitimacy does "ownership" have?
 Quoting: Mr. Reasonable


Yes, I do, in fact we just made $24,000 from the highway department for 1/2 acre of road right-of-way. Have no problem with it for legitimate purposes, as long as the owner is recompensed. Do you not understand the concept of pro bono publico?
But you still did not answer my question, would you turn your property over to a previous owner if you had paid for said property?
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And if they need all 500 acres with no compensation, for "national security" reasons? What does your "ownership" mean then? Who decides what a "legitimate purpose" is? You, I suppose?

To answer your question would be to recognize "property rights" as intrinsic, which they are not
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Are you 12 years old? Do you not have any idea of how land tile is conveyed? Do you think people just plop their butts down and take it? I cannot believe that you are totally ignorant of laws regarding property.
Do you have a car? A bicycle? Or any thing else you regard as yours? If a previous owner of your car demanded you turn it over to him, would you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8836047


My, my... testy

Do you have any idea how a title is enforced?

You cannot believe, yet you do... what an assumption to make

Do you by chance know what eminent domain means? If so, what legitimacy does "ownership" have?
 Quoting: Mr. Reasonable


Yes, I do, in fact we just made $24,000 from the highway department for 1/2 acre of road right-of-way. Have no problem with it for legitimate purposes, as long as the owner is recompensed. Do you not understand the concept of pro bono publico?
But you still did not answer my question, would you turn your property over to a previous owner if you had paid for said property?
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And if they need all 500 acres with no compensation, for "national security" reasons? What does your "ownership" mean then? Who decides what a "legitimate purpose" is? You, I suppose?

To answer your question would be to recognize "property rights" as intrinsic, which they are not
 Quoting: Mr. Reasonable


Boy, read the Constitution, it will answer your questions. And if any entity tries to take my land, I will fight, and I will win. I will win because only by not fighting do we lose.
Do you own your labour?
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Hell, in northern mi. if you own a lake property like I do, you cannot build a home for lack of two inches of soil. So then I try and build another type of building and they tell me it is zoned residential, but I cannot have a residence. Tough shit they say in so many words, you cannot do anything on the land, we got ya!

So my only way to use the land is to float anything I can, just off shore and call it a boat, but am not allowed use of my property. Yup, I got all these freedoms for sure and pay lots of taxes to prove it, welcome to unnamed county mi. Sorry, can't name my location for the courts there known for trumping up false cases to destroy folks whom complain.
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Serious question...

What depth below the surface does ownership rights of land go? and what angle is the boundary, bearing in mind the world is round.

Also..

Does a land owner own the air above it and how far does that extend ? What stops people charging airliners a transit fee when flying through your air?

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Hell, in northern mi. if you own a lake property like I do, you cannot build a home for lack of two inches of soil. So then I try and build another type of building and they tell me it is zoned residential, but I cannot have a residence. Tough shit they say in so many words, you cannot do anything on the land, we got ya!

So my only way to use the land is to float anything I can, just off shore and call it a boat, but am not allowed use of my property. Yup, I got all these freedoms for sure and pay lots of taxes to prove it, welcome to unnamed county mi. Sorry, can't name my location for the courts there known for trumping up false cases to destroy folks whom complain.
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That is terrible. We have no zoning ordinances her, we can do anything we want.
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Serious question...

What depth below the surface does ownership rights of land go? and what angle is the boundary, bearing in mind the world is round.

Also..

Does a land owner own the air above it and how far does that extend ? What stops people charging airliners a transit fee when flying through your air?
 Quoting: The Scientist


Inverted pyramid to the centre of the Earth.
As far as air rights, I think that falls under the rules covering public right-of-ways.
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My, my... testy

Do you have any idea how a title is enforced?

You cannot believe, yet you do... what an assumption to make

Do you by chance know what eminent domain means? If so, what legitimacy does "ownership" have?
 Quoting: Mr. Reasonable


Yes, I do, in fact we just made $24,000 from the highway department for 1/2 acre of road right-of-way. Have no problem with it for legitimate purposes, as long as the owner is recompensed. Do you not understand the concept of pro bono publico?
But you still did not answer my question, would you turn your property over to a previous owner if you had paid for said property?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8836047


And if they need all 500 acres with no compensation, for "national security" reasons? What does your "ownership" mean then? Who decides what a "legitimate purpose" is? You, I suppose?

To answer your question would be to recognize "property rights" as intrinsic, which they are not
 Quoting: Mr. Reasonable


Boy, read the Constitution, it will answer your questions. And if any entity tries to take my land, I will fight, and I will win. I will win because only by not fighting do we lose.
Do you own your labour?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8836047


And whom do you trust to enforce the constitution? The president? The congress?

That's a beautiful, sentimental aphorism but it holds about as much water as your "rights"

To each his own, I guess. If you'd kill or die for dirt, that's your choice, but that's the only thing that constitutes your "ownership" of the land: violence against anyone who threatens your belief
Put it in neutral!

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Serious question...

What depth below the surface does ownership rights of land go? and what angle is the boundary, bearing in mind the world is round.

Also..

Does a land owner own the air above it and how far does that extend ? What stops people charging airliners a transit fee when flying through your air?
 Quoting: The Scientist


Inverted pyramid to the centre of the Earth.
As far as air rights, I think that falls under the rules covering public right-of-ways.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8836047


Nah, you only get a few inches of dirt, this is how they enforce erosion and land-grading regulation, etc

Try to dig a big hole in "your" land and see if somebody doesn't come by and try to make you pay them some money

And you don't actually "own" anything, you are a legal tenant
Put it in neutral!

"Mysteries on a bull"

Trololos fuel Roflcopters
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Yes, I do, in fact we just made $24,000 from the highway department for 1/2 acre of road right-of-way. Have no problem with it for legitimate purposes, as long as the owner is recompensed. Do you not understand the concept of pro bono publico?
But you still did not answer my question, would you turn your property over to a previous owner if you had paid for said property?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8836047


And if they need all 500 acres with no compensation, for "national security" reasons? What does your "ownership" mean then? Who decides what a "legitimate purpose" is? You, I suppose?

To answer your question would be to recognize "property rights" as intrinsic, which they are not
 Quoting: Mr. Reasonable


Boy, read the Constitution, it will answer your questions. And if any entity tries to take my land, I will fight, and I will win. I will win because only by not fighting do we lose.
Do you own your labour?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8836047


And whom do you trust to enforce the constitution? The president? The congress?

That's a beautiful, sentimental aphorism but it holds about as much water as your "rights"

To each his own, I guess. If you'd kill or die for dirt, that's your choice, but that's the only thing that constitutes your "ownership" of the land: violence against anyone who threatens your belief
 Quoting: Mr. Reasonable

It is the duty of the people to uphold the Constitution, that is the purpose of the 2nd Amendment.
"Kill or die for dirt", obviously you have no soul if the land is no more than "dirt" to you. I am part of my land, and it is part of me, unless you have worked a piece of land that has been your fathers, have sweated and bled on it, have cared for it, have loved it, then you will never know the connection, the kinship, you have with this "dirt". It owns me than I own it, and to be torn from it would be worse than death.
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Serious question...

What depth below the surface does ownership rights of land go? and what angle is the boundary, bearing in mind the world is round.

Also..

Does a land owner own the air above it and how far does that extend ? What stops people charging airliners a transit fee when flying through your air?
 Quoting: The Scientist


Inverted pyramid to the centre of the Earth.
As far as air rights, I think that falls under the rules covering public right-of-ways.
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Nah, you only get a few inches of dirt, this is how they enforce erosion and land-grading regulation, etc

Try to dig a big hole in "your" land and see if somebody doesn't come by and try to make you pay them some money

And you don't actually "own" anything, you are a legal tenant
 Quoting: Mr. Reasonable


Is 100ft long, 70ft wide and 40ft feet deep big enough? We did, buried a bunch of crap in it. No one had any say.
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Serious question...

What depth below the surface does ownership rights of land go? and what angle is the boundary, bearing in mind the world is round.

Also..

Does a land owner own the air above it and how far does that extend ? What stops people charging airliners a transit fee when flying through your air?
 Quoting: The Scientist


Inverted pyramid to the centre of the Earth.
As far as air rights, I think that falls under the rules covering public right-of-ways.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8836047


Nah, you only get a few inches of dirt, this is how they enforce erosion and land-grading regulation, etc

Try to dig a big hole in "your" land and see if somebody doesn't come by and try to make you pay them some money

And you don't actually "own" anything, you are a legal tenant
 Quoting: Mr. Reasonable


Is 100ft long, 70ft wide and 40ft feet deep big enough? We did, buried a bunch of crap in it. No one had any say.
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Cool story bro
Put it in neutral!

"Mysteries on a bull"

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And if they need all 500 acres with no compensation, for "national security" reasons? What does your "ownership" mean then? Who decides what a "legitimate purpose" is? You, I suppose?

To answer your question would be to recognize "property rights" as intrinsic, which they are not
 Quoting: Mr. Reasonable


Boy, read the Constitution, it will answer your questions. And if any entity tries to take my land, I will fight, and I will win. I will win because only by not fighting do we lose.
Do you own your labour?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8836047


And whom do you trust to enforce the constitution? The president? The congress?

That's a beautiful, sentimental aphorism but it holds about as much water as your "rights"

To each his own, I guess. If you'd kill or die for dirt, that's your choice, but that's the only thing that constitutes your "ownership" of the land: violence against anyone who threatens your belief
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It is the duty of the people to uphold the Constitution, that is the purpose of the 2nd Amendment.
"Kill or die for dirt", obviously you have no soul if the land is no more than "dirt" to you. I am part of my land, and it is part of me, unless you have worked a piece of land that has been your fathers, have sweated and bled on it, have cared for it, have loved it, then you will never know the connection, the kinship, you have with this "dirt". It owns me than I own it, and to be torn from it would be worse than death.
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I have no soul simply because I don't have the same emotional investments you have? Interesting

I have placed sentimental value in many material things in the past (though never dirt), they usually caused more of a burden than anything

If I hold any kinship or connection with the earth, I hold it with all land, not just a small imaginary section of it. And I certainly wouldn't think of it as "mine", I'd think of it more as a gift or privilege afforded to me temporarily

I put more importance in life in general than in "property"
Put it in neutral!

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Boy, read the Constitution, it will answer your questions. And if any entity tries to take my land, I will fight, and I will win. I will win because only by not fighting do we lose.
Do you own your labour?
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And whom do you trust to enforce the constitution? The president? The congress?

That's a beautiful, sentimental aphorism but it holds about as much water as your "rights"

To each his own, I guess. If you'd kill or die for dirt, that's your choice, but that's the only thing that constitutes your "ownership" of the land: violence against anyone who threatens your belief
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It is the duty of the people to uphold the Constitution, that is the purpose of the 2nd Amendment.
"Kill or die for dirt", obviously you have no soul if the land is no more than "dirt" to you. I am part of my land, and it is part of me, unless you have worked a piece of land that has been your fathers, have sweated and bled on it, have cared for it, have loved it, then you will never know the connection, the kinship, you have with this "dirt". It owns me than I own it, and to be torn from it would be worse than death.
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I have no soul simply because I don't have the same emotional investments you have? Interesting

I have placed sentimental value in many material things in the past (though never dirt), they usually caused more of a burden than anything

If I hold any kinship or connection with the earth, I hold it with all land, not just a small imaginary section of it. And I certainly wouldn't think of it as "mine", I'd think of it more as a gift or privilege afforded to me temporarily

I put more importance in life in general than in "property"
 Quoting: Mr. Reasonable


It is interesting that your thought patterns are so alien to me, it reminds me of the Bolsheviks with their "power of the people" mantra that meant nothing, because they never saw the individual, only the fictitious mass of the proletariat. The first thing they did to destroy the individual was to eliminate private property, all land would be held as the "property" of an amorphous whole. Everything that people had worked for, dreamed of, their whole lives, was stripped away because it wasn't "fair" for some to have more than others, even if the others had not even tried to have anything more than a bottle of vodka and a shack to sleep it off in. Did these Commissars have a soul? You tell me.
Obviously you are not a farmer, do you live in a city? Only this can explain the contempt that you hold for "dirt". I actually pity you, for it would seem that you are floating through this world like a toy balloon released by a child, with nothing to anchor to, to hold to, to belong to. This "dirt" is my families "dirt", fathers and sons, mothers and children living here, working here, belonging here, dying here and resting here until the last trump. You cannot understand, I wish you could.
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Inverted pyramid to the centre of the Earth.
As far as air rights, I think that falls under the rules covering public right-of-ways.
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Nah, you only get a few inches of dirt, this is how they enforce erosion and land-grading regulation, etc

Try to dig a big hole in "your" land and see if somebody doesn't come by and try to make you pay them some money

And you don't actually "own" anything, you are a legal tenant
 Quoting: Mr. Reasonable


Is 100ft long, 70ft wide and 40ft feet deep big enough? We did, buried a bunch of crap in it. No one had any say.
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Cool story bro
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ever try to bury a concrete slab for a burned 4 bedroom house, along with the bricks and rubble associated with it, plus a car and a combine? Takes a big, deeeeep hole.
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What yourant do for eminant domain is let em take it only after your buried deep enough and wide enough C4 and bury the wires deep and long off the property and let them build their shit and then one day blow it to fuck up. There,nobody wins.
It's easy to find something worth dying for. Do you have anything worth living for?
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Early bird gets the worm I guess. Better luck next millennia.
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The only people that decry home ownership is losers that don't own one.

Owning a home is awesome! It's even better when you have stacks and stacks of land and you're neighbours are a couple of kilometers that way.

Property rights are enforced by the premier power in the nation, the government of a nation. The military is the main arm used to enforce the government's will, however police can also be used.

The stronger your nation's military the stronger your government and the more secure your property rights. However the government needs money to pay their military and other syuff they want so they raise tax revenue.

To be prefectly honest if you're happy with your quality of life you should happily pay your taxes.

That crap about legal tenacy is just so the government can use your land if they need it and usually they will pay you for it as they have to observe the laws that they make regarding property rights.

On a side note, 500 acres isn't that much land. But you have to farm it to make it worth all the work you have to put into it.

500 acres would be great to have but I'd have to hire some peon to work it for me.
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You have 500 acres? What happens if someone else decides they have that same 500 acres?

Is it still "yours?" What makes it "yours" as opposed to "theirs?"
 Quoting: Mr. Reasonable


Because it has been in my family for generations and I have the right to defend it from interlopers, and I will. For more than 700 years every generation of my family have been land owners. (Yes, I am related to all of European royalty.)
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So the only difference between you "owning" the land and not owning the land is your willingness to exert violent force to keep other people off of it?

If someone forces you off of "your" land, does that make it their land or is it still yours?
 Quoting: Mr. Reasonable


No matter what a thief does, it is still my land and will go to my heirs.
By the way, I will not be forced off my land. They may kill me but they will not make me give it up.
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You thought you owned your land, but you only "holding" it. In Canada, Australia, and Britain, the queen owns all land, and even though someone purchased it, you are only holding it. Technically I don't know who actually owns US land, but apparently it isn't any of us. I knew about Canada already, but learned that no one owns any land in the world from Santos Bonacci.
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This land is ours - or is it?

Since 1872 there has not been an audit of the land and the state effectively screen landowners from any enquiry into their activities, and their colossal wealth. The Royal Commission into the wealth of Britain set up by the Labour government just before Thatcher hoped to examine land ownership but found a paucity of information on the question. Thatcher abolished the commission on coming to power. None of the major political parties in the UK has any policy to redistribute land, with one exception; the Green Party.

The largest private landowner is the Duke of Buccleach with 270,000 acres; and the wealthiest is the Duke of Westminster with 140,000 acres in the UK, 400,000 abroad, but most importantly 300 acres of the richest real estate in the world in central London. In the 1870s his predecessor the Marquess of Westminster, who was one of the wealthiest persons in England, held only 20,000 acres. Impressed by his wealth Queen Victoria made him a Duke.

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Native Americans were geniuses. How can you own nature?

It is ridiculous. :)
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indeed

When a westerner says, "This is my land", they mean, this is the land that belongs to me and is mine, mine, all mine.

When a Hawaiian says, "This is my land", they mean, this is the land I belong to and am a caretaker of.
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