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I believe this to be a very credible threat and have for quite sometime, however I do NOT believe the threat lies solely with Iran..........your thoughts?
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Yes, very true. It puts us in a Mad Max scenario in a couple of days, even more so than a nuclear war. In a nuclear war, the major cities would be destroyed, thus a large part of the population will perish as well. However, this will leave a lot less people left to fight over the resources.

In an emp scenario, there will be 300 million people instantly needing food or water, with about 3 days on average of food stored. People will pick all the resources dry in a week. Death estimates from a nuclear war are as high as 50% within 6 months. Death estimates from an emp are as high as 90% within 6 months. Scary stuff.
There are a lot of EMP threats out there. Iran has made it a staple of their defense doctrine since it was published by their revolutionary council in 1998. After the cold war Russia let it be know that it's first strike would have been high level EMP's, followed by a full nuclear strike. The Russians are currently exploring small-scale EMP applications, and have even developed EMP grenades. But the biggest threat may come from China, which make no secret that EMP weapons are a staple of their defense plan, and they have numberous naval and intercontinental systems to deliver them.
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So silly, emp is only likely to be used on any adversary that is fraught with division, inflexibility, factional infighting and lack of preparedness and self sufficiency paradigm fixated on convenience consumption and soft living and excessive reliance on technology.
SO,I think we are safe
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Old vacuum tube technology is immune to EMP, as is a Faraday Cage...be wise...
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So silly, emp is only likely to be used on any adversary that is fraught with division, inflexibility, factional infighting and lack of preparedness and self sufficiency paradigm fixated on convenience consumption and soft living and excessive reliance on technology.
SO,I think we are safe
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Actually, my thoughts are that an EMP attack would induce division, inflexibility, factional infighting DUE to a lack of preparedness.
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Old vacuum tube technology is immune to EMP, as is a Faraday Cage...be wise...
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SO, everyone meet at your place!!!???
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Old vacuum tube technology is immune to EMP, as is a Faraday Cage...be wise...
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Working on the Faraday cage problem now.......not really a problem just trying to separate the wheat from the chaff so to speak, Brief.
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So silly, emp is only likely to be used on any adversary that is fraught with division, inflexibility, factional infighting and lack of preparedness and self sufficiency paradigm fixated on convenience consumption and soft living and excessive reliance on technology.
SO,I think we are safe
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Actually, my thoughts are that an EMP attack would induce division, inflexibility, factional infighting DUE to a lack of preparedness.
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Old vacuum tube technology is immune to EMP, as is a Faraday Cage...be wise...
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No, it would induce mass casualties with 90% mortality over 12 mo time, and then whoever gets here first can kill off the rest.
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So silly, emp is only likely to be used on any adversary that is fraught with division, inflexibility, factional infighting and lack of preparedness and self sufficiency paradigm fixated on convenience consumption and soft living and excessive reliance on technology.
SO,I think we are safe
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Actually, my thoughts are that an EMP attack would induce division, inflexibility, factional infighting DUE to a lack of preparedness.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1530155


Old vacuum tube technology is immune to EMP, as is a Faraday Cage...be wise...
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No, it would induce mass casualties with 90% mortality over 12 mo time, and then whoever gets here first can kill off the rest.
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DUE TO LACK OF PREPAREDNESS......geesh
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So silly, emp is only likely to be used on any adversary that is fraught with division, inflexibility, factional infighting and lack of preparedness and self sufficiency paradigm fixated on convenience consumption and soft living and excessive reliance on technology.
SO,I think we are safe
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


Actually, my thoughts are that an EMP attack would induce division, inflexibility, factional infighting DUE to a lack of preparedness.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1530155


Old vacuum tube technology is immune to EMP, as is a Faraday Cage...be wise...
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No, it would induce mass casualties with 90% mortality over 12 mo time, and then whoever gets here first can kill off the rest.
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DUE TO LACK OF PREPAREDNESS......geesh
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See any preparedness? For the nation, I mean?
The threat has been known for decades, war planners are not unaware of the likely uses and users, the secnarios have been run and yet everything we have that we rely upon is unprotected and nobody talaks about anything remotely similar to preparation.
Sure, it's only an accident, and oaversight, yet, solyndra gets money, wall street gets money, the lawyers take money the gummint argues about bollox and the nations producers gets bupkis.
If you need to build your own faraday cage, it's already over, you may as well not bother, you wont live long enought to benefit from whatever you put inside. The real question for the 'me' generation is not what you do for yourself but what does your leadership and community do.
A mans generocity and wisdom are not maxaimally tested by what he does for himself, it's really about what he can do, or not do, for others of his kind to provide survivability and prosperity.
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Old vacuum tube technology is immune to EMP, as is a Faraday Cage...be wise...
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SO, everyone meet at your place!!!???
Bring beers
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Bring something! No freeloaders at Fort Brief!
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Old vacuum tube technology is immune to EMP, as is a Faraday Cage...be wise...
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SO, everyone meet at your place!!!???
Bring beers
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Bring something! No freeloaders at Fort Brief!
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Hey Brief,I'll bring a heathy appetite and a sense of sarcasm.

See you when the shit hits the fan!
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Old vacuum tube technology is immune to EMP, as is a Faraday Cage...be wise...
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SO, everyone meet at your place!!!???
Bring beers
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Bring something! No freeloaders at Fort Brief!
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Hey Brief,I'll bring a heathy appetite and a sense of sarcasm.

See you when the shit hits the fan!
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anaanabrief has food lets gochuckle
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America from my three sons to my 600 pound life!
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Old vacuum tube technology is immune to EMP, as is a Faraday Cage...be wise...
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SO, everyone meet at your place!!!???
Bring beers
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1310640


Bring something! No freeloaders at Fort Brief!
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Hey Brief,I'll bring a heathy appetite and a sense of sarcasm.

See you when the shit hits the fan!
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LOL, hope you can build a fire and haul out the trash then ;)
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EMP threat

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Representative Roscoe Bartlett (R-MD) and others talked about the threat of electromagnetic pulse (EMP) to the U.S. infrastructure. An EMP, produced by detonating human-made devices or by powerful solar storms, can disrupt and destroy electrical systems, including the U.S. power grid. Panelists warned of an aftermath similar to "Hurricane Katrina" of an EMP event, predicting that as many as two-thirds of Americans could die from starvation.



Good book to get some ideas of what it will be like if/when an EMP goes off over Kansas

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an emp over the states is a deathknell for civilization in the continent.
Mad max will be the disney version.
Really what's to be done? Not much, it's for those too young to know the lazy good times.
You have no idea how different it will be and no idea of the length of time it will take to fix(ie never).
The point is to invade afterwards and strip the valuables with no resistance
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I would like to see more serious discussion on this topic as I think it is very important.........
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I would like to see more serious discussion on this topic as I think it is very important.........
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Thank you for bumping this thread. I to think this is an important subject. How do you prepare for a complete lack of electronic and subsequent breakdown in society?
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I would like to see more serious discussion on this topic as I think it is very important.........
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Thank you for bumping this thread. I to think this is an important subject. How do you prepare for a complete lack of electronic and subsequent breakdown in society?
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There are ways for the average person to protect "some" electronics but our infrastructure is SOFT....look at the below video....
[link to www.youtube.com]
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and this.......... [link to www.youtube.com]
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I would like to see more serious discussion on this topic as I think it is very important.........
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Thank you for bumping this thread. I to think this is an important subject. How do you prepare for a complete lack of electronic and subsequent breakdown in society?
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There are ways for the average person to protect "some" electronics but our infrastructure is SOFT....look at the below video....
[link to www.youtube.com]
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I have seen that video before. It is creepy.
I believe that the EMP is the scariest form of doom.
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EMP threat...hmmm, I'm reminded of the (nuclear) Cold War of the later 20th century. Is this to be our 21st century version of a Cold War?

Also, one would be remiss to think that the US doesn't also have such technology and are any less or more apt to use it than any other country with such tech.
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Yes, very true. It puts us in a Mad Max scenario in a couple of days, even more so than a nuclear war. In a nuclear war, the major cities would be destroyed, thus a large part of the population will perish as well. However, this will leave a lot less people left to fight over the resources.

In an emp scenario, there will be 300 million people instantly needing food or water, with about 3 days on average of food stored. People will pick all the resources dry in a week. Death estimates from a nuclear war are as high as 50% within 6 months. Death estimates from an emp are as high as 90% within 6 months. Scary stuff.
There are a lot of EMP threats out there. Iran has made it a staple of their defense doctrine since it was published by their revolutionary council in 1998. After the cold war Russia let it be know that it's first strike would have been high level EMP's, followed by a full nuclear strike. The Russians are currently exploring small-scale EMP applications, and have even developed EMP grenades. But the biggest threat may come from China, which make no secret that EMP weapons are a staple of their defense plan, and they have numberous naval and intercontinental systems to deliver them.
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Most people will die within a few weeks-- not due to starvation, but due to the nuclear hell unleashed when nuclear power plants melt down due to lack of power for cooling... I don't think nuclear power plants have backup systems for EMP...
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Yes, very true. It puts us in a Mad Max scenario in a couple of days, even more so than a nuclear war. In a nuclear war, the major cities would be destroyed, thus a large part of the population will perish as well. However, this will leave a lot less people left to fight over the resources.

In an emp scenario, there will be 300 million people instantly needing food or water, with about 3 days on average of food stored. People will pick all the resources dry in a week. Death estimates from a nuclear war are as high as 50% within 6 months. Death estimates from an emp are as high as 90% within 6 months. Scary stuff.
There are a lot of EMP threats out there. Iran has made it a staple of their defense doctrine since it was published by their revolutionary council in 1998. After the cold war Russia let it be know that it's first strike would have been high level EMP's, followed by a full nuclear strike. The Russians are currently exploring small-scale EMP applications, and have even developed EMP grenades. But the biggest threat may come from China, which make no secret that EMP weapons are a staple of their defense plan, and they have numberous naval and intercontinental systems to deliver them.
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Most people will die within a few weeks-- not due to starvation, but due to the nuclear hell unleashed when nuclear power plants melt down due to lack of power for cooling... I don't think nuclear power plants have backup systems for EMP...
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I believe you are absolutely correct, look at FUKISHIMA!
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I see the EMP threat as an "IED" tactic as far as the economical and the stealthy opportunity it affords......just my view
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I see the EMP threat as an "IED" tactic as far as the economical and the stealthy opportunity it affords......just my view
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Yes, very true. It puts us in a Mad Max scenario in a couple of days, even more so than a nuclear war. In a nuclear war, the major cities would be destroyed, thus a large part of the population will perish as well. However, this will leave a lot less people left to fight over the resources.

In an emp scenario, there will be 300 million people instantly needing food or water, with about 3 days on average of food stored. People will pick all the resources dry in a week. Death estimates from a nuclear war are as high as 50% within 6 months. Death estimates from an emp are as high as 90% within 6 months. Scary stuff.
There are a lot of EMP threats out there. Iran has made it a staple of their defense doctrine since it was published by their revolutionary council in 1998. After the cold war Russia let it be know that it's first strike would have been high level EMP's, followed by a full nuclear strike. The Russians are currently exploring small-scale EMP applications, and have even developed EMP grenades. But the biggest threat may come from China, which make no secret that EMP weapons are a staple of their defense plan, and they have numberous naval and intercontinental systems to deliver them.
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Hence, why having Iranian ships off our coasts, barely in International waters, is very unsettling. For folks who are still clueless to prepping, now might be a good idea to get moving -- very fast!

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I went to an estate sale and got a fat roll of window screen for 8 bucks. this can be draped over electronics and as long as it is insolated, groundless and gapless, provides good EMP protection. I pin it together with 3" pieces of wire and use the same bare wire to plug the f-cage into the grounds on at last two regular outlets. Easy. I got a small generator still in the box protected for pennies and about 1/2 hour's work.
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So silly, emp is only likely to be used on any adversary that is fraught with division, inflexibility, factional infighting and lack of preparedness and self sufficiency paradigm fixated on convenience consumption and soft living and excessive reliance on technology.
SO,I think we are safe
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Hmmmm ... sounds like most of our countrymen.
Fate whispers to the warrior

"You cannot withstand the storm"

and the warrior whispers back

"I am the storm"

INTJ:
Independent, original, analytical, and determined. Have an exceptional ability to turn theories into solid plans of action. Highly value knowledge, competence, and structure. Driven to derive meaning from their visions. Long-range thinkers. Have very high standards for their performance, and the performance of others. Natural leaders, but will follow if they trust existing leaders.

Life is karma and karma always reflects both past and present circumstance. Our time here is short, so choose carefully and behave well, for all of your tomorrows are presently being decided.

"A fool thinks himself to be wise, but a wise man knows himself to be a fool."
-- William Shakespeare, born April 23, 1564.

Follow. But! Follow only if ye be men of valor! For the entrance to this cave is guarded by a creature so foul, so cruel, that no man yet has fought with it... and lived! BONES of full fifty men lie *strewn* about its lair! So! Brave knights! If you do doubt your courage or your strength, come no further, for death awaits you all with nasty, big, pointy teeth...

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Yes, very true. It puts us in a Mad Max scenario in a couple of days, even more so than a nuclear war. In a nuclear war, the major cities would be destroyed, thus a large part of the population will perish as well. However, this will leave a lot less people left to fight over the resources.

In an emp scenario, there will be 300 million people instantly needing food or water, with about 3 days on average of food stored. People will pick all the resources dry in a week. Death estimates from a nuclear war are as high as 50% within 6 months. Death estimates from an emp are as high as 90% within 6 months. Scary stuff.
There are a lot of EMP threats out there. Iran has made it a staple of their defense doctrine since it was published by their revolutionary council in 1998. After the cold war Russia let it be know that it's first strike would have been high level EMP's, followed by a full nuclear strike. The Russians are currently exploring small-scale EMP applications, and have even developed EMP grenades. But the biggest threat may come from China, which make no secret that EMP weapons are a staple of their defense plan, and they have numberous naval and intercontinental systems to deliver them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1382145


Hence, why having Iranian ships off our coasts, barely in International waters, is very unsettling. For folks who are still clueless to prepping, now might be a good idea to get moving -- very fast!
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Please lets keep this thread visible to the site as it is very important and I think it needs further discussion. I'm not doomy about it but concerned.





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