Christians who have affection for God's enemies will only bring God's wrath on themselves. Scripture to prove it.

Amen to that!!!

Jumpin' Jehoshaphat!!!!

Ezekiel 18

The One Who Sins Will Die
1 The word of the LORD came to me: 2 “What do you people mean by quoting this proverb about the land of Israel:
“‘The parents eat sour grapes,
and the children’s teeth are set on edge’?

3 “As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, you will no longer quote this proverb in Israel. 4 For everyone belongs to me, the parent as well as the child—both alike belong to me. The one who sins is the one who will die.

5 “Suppose there is a righteous man
who does what is just and right.
6 He does not eat at the mountain shrines
or look to the idols of Israel.
He does not defile his neighbor’s wife
or have sexual relations with a woman during her period.
7 He does not oppress anyone,
but returns what he took in pledge for a loan.
He does not commit robbery
but gives his food to the hungry
and provides clothing for the naked.
8 He does not lend to them at interest
or take a profit from them.
He withholds his hand from doing wrong
and judges fairly between two parties.
9 He follows my decrees
and faithfully keeps my laws.
That man is righteous;
he will surely live,
declares the Sovereign LORD.

10 “Suppose he has a violent son, who sheds blood or does any of these other things[a] 11 (though the father has done none of them):

“He eats at the mountain shrines.
He defiles his neighbor’s wife.
12 He oppresses the poor and needy.
He commits robbery.
He does not return what he took in pledge.
He looks to the idols.
He does detestable things.
13 He lends at interest and takes a profit.

Will such a man live? He will not! Because he has done all these detestable things, he is to be put to death; his blood will be on his own head.

14 “But suppose this son has a son who sees all the sins his father commits, and though he sees them, he does not do such things:

15 “He does not eat at the mountain shrines
or look to the idols of Israel.
He does not defile his neighbor’s wife.
16 He does not oppress anyone
or require a pledge for a loan.
He does not commit robbery
but gives his food to the hungry
and provides clothing for the naked.
17 He withholds his hand from mistreating the poor
and takes no interest or profit from them.
He keeps my laws and follows my decrees.

He will not die for his father’s sin; he will surely live. 18 But his father will die for his own sin, because he practiced extortion, robbed his brother and did what was wrong among his people.

19 “Yet you ask, ‘Why does the son not share the guilt of his father?’ Since the son has done what is just and right and has been careful to keep all my decrees, he will surely live. 20 The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them.

21 “But if a wicked person turns away from all the sins they have committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, that person will surely live; they will not die. 22 None of the offenses they have committed will be remembered against them. Because of the righteous things they have done, they will live. 23 Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign LORD. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?

24 “But if a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin and does the same detestable things the wicked person does, will they live? None of the righteous things that person has done will be remembered. Because of the unfaithfulness they are guilty of and because of the sins they have committed, they will die.

25 “Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Hear, you Israelites: Is my way unjust? Is it not your ways that are unjust? 26 If a righteous person turns from their righteousness and commits sin, they will die for it; because of the sin they have committed they will die. 27 But if a wicked person turns away from the wickedness they have committed and does what is just and right, they will save their life. 28 Because they consider all the offenses they have committed and turn away from them, that person will surely live; they will not die. 29 Yet the Israelites say, ‘The way of the Lord is not just.’ Are my ways unjust, people of Israel? Is it not your ways that are unjust?

30 “Therefore, you Israelites, I will judge each of you according to your own ways, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent! Turn away from all your offenses; then sin will not be your downfall. 31 Rid yourselves of all the offenses you have committed, and get a new heart and a new spirit. Why will you die, people of Israel? 32 For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign LORD. Repent and live!

Amen to that.

So, does this mean as a devil worshipping gypsy, I am bringing damnation to all my Christian friends?

That's pretty cool, thanks OP.

So we should not be passive to sinners. We should put them in their place. Even beat them down and kick them satanist bastards. Hey I'm down with that. Bunch of cowards too.

My life would be a lot more interesting if I had eye people to see if they had the spirit of Christ or not, knowing that one false move meant I could end the day burning in some intersection somewhere, tied to like a prostitute or something.

Philemon must live in Colossae. As a slave-owner he would have been wealthy by the standards of the early church and this explains why his house was large enough to accommodate church meetings

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Pretty strange choice of names there. Oh, I care about that.

How dare you!

This is just common sense Bible stuff, but if you have ten verses and nine say one thing and the other one says something different, you should try to reconcile the one with the other nine rather than the nine to the one.

Case in point:

A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another (John 13:34).

But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you (Luke 6:27-28).

Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse (Romans 12:14).

We work hard with our own hands. When we are cursed, we bless; when we are persecuted, we endure it (1 Corinthians 4:12).

Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everybody. If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. Do not take revenge, my friends, but leave room for God's wrath, for it is written: "It is mine to avenge; I will repay," says the Lord. On the contrary: "If your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink. In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head." Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good (Romans 12:17-21).

Do not repay evil with evil or insult with insult, but with blessing, because to this you were called so that you may inherit a blessing (1 Peter 3:9).

Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him to make him stumble (1 John 2:9-10).



This is just a very small smattering of verses to support the doctrine of love your enemies. And to anyone who wants to say these are commandments to love "our enemies" and not "God's enemies", I say to you, our enemies are God's enemies and vice versa. God makes his rain to fall on the just and the unjust.

Be sure that the OP is trying to present a false doctrine. NEVER, EVER, EVER, EVER try to hijack specific commands from Christ and substitute them for some vague theology based on errant interpretation.

And may God bless you.

Nowhere does it say to be loving towards satanists who knowing and willingly take to the dark side. Christians need to learn how to cast and bind demons. I like binding them to the lake of fire. You see satan and the demons aren't in the lake of fire yet. They will be on judgement day. But They don't even come into my life anymore because I am so aggressive with them. Even if I slip up and sin they stay away because they saw what I did to their friends. I have no mercy on these bitches. I will chase them down and I will become their demon. If pagans try to curse me I reflect it right back at them. Serves them right. If they wanna play hard ball I'm game.

Matthew 10:34
Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

But what about Anakin Sky Walker? In the end he was nice and kind and loved his son Luke and helped him fight the Emperor?

Notice the words house of Israel in verse 31. Therefore, what Ezekiel is imparting is that God has no pleasure in the total destruction of the wicked house of Israel. You are a silly person if you apply this to God having no pleasure in the death of wicked vessels of wrath (Psa 5:5; Rom 9:21, 22).

Isaiah 41:8, 9 But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend. Thou whom I have taken from the ends of the earth, and called thee from the chief men thereof, and said unto thee, Thou art my servant; I have chosen thee, and not cast thee away.

Isaiah 64:9-12 Be not wroth very sore, O LORD, neither remember iniquity for ever: behold, see, we beseech thee, we are all thy people. Thy holy cities are a wilderness, Zion is a wilderness, Jerusalem a desolation. Our holy and our beautiful house, where our fathers praised thee, is burned up with fire: and all our pleasant things are laid waste. Wilt thou refrain thyself for these things, O LORD? wilt thou hold thy peace, and afflict us very sore?

Isaiah 65:8, 9 Thus saith the LORD, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all. And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.

Furthermore:

Jeremiah 31:35-37 So says Jehovah, who gives the sun for a light by day and the laws of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, who divides the sea when its waves roar; Jehovah of Hosts is His name; if those ordinances depart from Me, says Jehovah, the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before Me forever. So says Jehovah, If the heavens above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth below can be searched out, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, says Jehovah.

Meh. LOTR was better.

More garbage tbh. Quoting verses out of context:

32 “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. 33 But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.

34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

“‘a man against his father,
a daughter against her mother,
a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.’

37 “Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 Whoever does not take up their cross and follow me is not worthy of me. 39 Whoever finds their life will lose it, and whoever loses their life for my sake will find it.

40 “Anyone who welcomes you welcomes me, and anyone who welcomes me welcomes the one who sent me. 41 Whoever welcomes a prophet as a prophet will receive a prophet’s reward, and whoever welcomes a righteous person as a righteous person will receive a righteous person’s reward. 42 And if anyone gives even a cup of cold water to one of these little ones who is my disciple, truly I tell you, that person will certainly not lose their reward.”



This has nothing to do with demons. MT 10:34 talks about the price paid to be a follower of Jesus Christ. If you follow Jesus, your family may disown you and they may even try to kill you (Re: see Judaic and Islamic response to Christian converts in their families.) The abscense of peace and the presence of the sword that Jesus is talking about is the promise of persecution for believing in Him. "All who live a godly life in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution."

Behold sayeth the Lawd, the people hath believed in the book of crazy nonsense!
Made up by the jewish people and Romans to control them!
And so it hath become, that everybody became really dumb.

4 For everyone belongs to me

Not for you or I to do with as we see fit. I find your lack of faith disturbing.

"Christian friends"? You mean those who believe in free will? They're no more Christian than a soiled diaper. I would faster fellowship with a gypsy than the liars who say the bible teaches that God loves everyone.

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Be a god warrior!!!

I agree with those verses and they back up what I said nicely. Thanks.

Unless you were trying to disprove me then I think you failed.

I'll stick around and slam all your false doctrine for Christ's sake and for the sake of any who would listen to this anti-Gospel drivel.

Nowhere in the above verses can you find where it says God takes pleasure in destroying the wicked. If I need to write an entire thesis to debunk your ungodly slander I will. I'm not even sure I believe you are a Christian tbh.

Here's how we know God loves us, Romans 5:8, "While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." I think that sums up the whole argument. If Christ died for someone, (Re: see John 3:16 - ...God so loved the world...) their intrinsic value is tied to the sacrifice He made ("No greater love has a man than this: that he lay down his life for his friends). So if Christ died for sinners because God loved them so much, and then He commanded us to love our enemies (i.e. His enemies), then you shouldn't presume to think God would find pleasure in their destruction.

And so the Lawd said unto his disciples, "does thou not see all these people walking around speaking nonsense like a bunch of blithering retards?"

"Yes" said his disciples we see them but what are we supposed to do? Every time we tell them they chant strange things from their book and call us demons and throw things at us!

And the Lawd professed unto them, Thou must punch them in the neck!

Bullshit is still 10 cents a pound I see...

You are a false Christian. Just wanted to point that out. And anyone here who listens to you is going to be led astray.

You are the Christian equivalent of an Islamic suicide bomber. You are the Christian equivalent of a Jewish Zionist. You are like a Crusader from the Dark Ages or the Christian equivalent of the Catholic inquisition. You are a perverter of sound doctrine and thump your chest with hubris and shout "my God will destroy you and He will use my hand to do so!"

You are a presumptous fool who should repent of your hateful, ungodly ways.

Signed,
Follower of Christ

Just because Christians are going to be treated like trash doesn't mean we have to bend over backwards for every demonic person that crosses paths with us. LOL. There is a reason for the gifts such as casting out demons and healing speaking in tongues. Being a Christian doesn't mean being a pushover. Defending yourself doesn't mean you love your life. It just means you have more faith and will fight for your beliefs in the face of opposition.

This liberalized neutered version of Christian is what catholicism invented. Love thy enemy, yes. Love the devil? Hell no.

Lack of faith in you?

4 For everyone belongs to me, the parent as well as the child—both alike belong to me. The one who sins is the one who will die.

Obviously Israel belongs to God.

Ezekiel 16:8 And I passed by you and looked on you, and, behold, your time was the time of love. And I spread my skirt over you and covered your nakedness. And I swore to you and entered into a covenant with you, says the Lord Jehovah. And you became Mine.

Exodus 22:29 You shall not delay giving the fullness of your crops and juices of your vintage. You shall give the first-born of your sons to Me.

Exodus 13:2 Sanctify all the first-born to Me, whatever opens the womb among the sons of Israel, of man and of beast. It is Mine

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No, that is not what Christians are supposed to do. In fact, were supposed to do the opposite: having nothing to do with them if possible--unless they repent.

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More garbage theology. This isn't the most weak-knee crap I've ever heard but it's pretty close.

This allows Christians to sit around on their blessed "ass"urance while others risk life and limb, family and friend, homes and lands to preach the Gospel to the lost.

Have nothing to do with sinners? Jesus preached to prostitutes and priests alike. What about in Matthew where we're commanded like sheep to visit those in prison? Who else ends up in prison except sinners and lawbreakers?

You are preaching an anti-gospel and I'll continue to debunk you until you stop.

Lack of faith in Christ. I know what is in the works. Why do you think I'm here if not to witness against it. Quote away all you want, Jesus testified against you, I follow Him and testify against you as well. You have hate in your heart and soon hope to have blood on your hands. I pray you return to the simple faith of Christ.

How does evil work with good? You know what blasphemy that is? You may not have affection for God's enemies but you work with them to promote your own ends. Do you think in the end you will be justified?

The Lord Jesus is my savior. He is the Way, the Truth and the Light. And what was His way? Not to kill, not to enslave, but to sacrifice Himself for all men and to set prisoners free.