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The name "Jesus" didn't exist until 500 years ago...

 
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Satan loves you more than Jesus.

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Re: The name "Jesus" didn't exist until 500 years ago...
Of course not, they didn't even have the letter "J" back then.

Doesn't matter what his "name" was. He was certainly not the Antichrist.

Egregore: synergistic thought; the group mind that is formed when many minds come together...kind of like The Borg...lol.
 Quoting: Rambaldi

I'm not saying the man who lived was the antichrist, quite the contrary. The Man who lived was a walking Son of God.

I'm saying the story we've been sold is the antichrist....and if enough people put their energy into it they will "create it"

As an egregore....and that manifestation might very well be what TPTB are looking for to try and fully seize the mind of humanity....
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


In that sense, your argument may actually hold water.

Kudos to you for giving me something new to think about.

It forced me to do some Googling.

Now I have more research to do. Thanks a lot!
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"by no other NAME under heaven by which men must be saved"
at least some who seek out, find the TRUTH of the situation of reality we find ourselves in...as we were told to do.
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Your title is abit misleading but that's cool.

That explains why some refer to him as "Yeshua".
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That's why Jesus is in quotes.

But if that's wrong, what about everything else associated with "Jesus"?
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


SHHHHH!!! You are ruining thousands of years of marketing! If you keep asking questions like this, it will uncover all the effort that went into this campaign. Do you want the deaths of all the martyrs, crusaders and their victims, and all the others that died so that sales will increase? you are heartless.

Yes, that was sarcasm. It is time the truth started to come out about religion in general. Anything that suggests I take a knee to it is my enemy. My will is my own, and I suggest you all find your will as well, or follow mine >;)
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Surely you are correct and 1/3 of the world's population is wrong.

The Antichrist comes near the end times, and we are all still here.

The Antichrist does not preach a message of love, sacrificing your life for your friends, and turning the other cheek.

"A" for creativity though.
 Quoting: Rambaldi

On this, yes, yes I am correct. Jesus was not called Jesus when he was alive.

The antichrist is also many.....do you know what an egregore is?
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


The egregore trips me right out!
I know there is something to it.

Anyway, the mystics already know this about
the meaning of Christ. Meister Eckhart wrote
many sermons about the mystery of Christ back in
the 13th century, I believe.

You might look him up and see what he says about
the "immaculate conception" that occurs within
our soul, when we give up our egoism. (Which means giving
up all of our pre-conceptions!)

It's very deep in view of our understanding of
the social matrix and the nature of our ego.

J. Krishnamurti would even be forced to agree with him,
I think. (If you are familiar with the Krishnamurtis)
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Re: The name "Jesus" didn't exist until 500 years ago...
I'm not saying the man who lived was the antichrist, quite the contrary. The Man who lived was a walking Son of God.

I'm saying the story we've been sold is the antichrist....and if enough people put their energy into it they will "create it"

As an egregore....and that manifestation might very well be what TPTB are looking for to try and fully seize the mind of humanity....
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


In that sense, your argument may actually hold water.

Kudos to you for giving me something new to think about.

It forced me to do some Googling.

Now I have more research to do. Thanks a lot!
tounge
 Quoting: Rambaldi

chuckle Happy to be of service! hf
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Surely you are correct and 1/3 of the world's population is wrong.

The Antichrist comes near the end times, and we are all still here.

The Antichrist does not preach a message of love, sacrificing your life for your friends, and turning the other cheek.

"A" for creativity though.
 Quoting: Rambaldi

On this, yes, yes I am correct. Jesus was not called Jesus when he was alive.

The antichrist is also many.....do you know what an egregore is?
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


The egregore trips me right out!
I know there is something to it.

Anyway, the mystics already know this about
the meaning of Christ. Meister Eckhart wrote
many sermons about the mystery of Christ back in
the 13th century, I believe.

You might look him up and see what he says about
the "immaculate conception" that occurs within
our soul, when we give up our egoism. (Which means giving
up all of our pre-conceptions!)

It's very deep in view of our understanding of
the social matrix and the nature of our ego.

J. Krishnamurti would even be forced to agree with him,
I think. (If you are familiar with the Krishnamurtis)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2428654

thumbs

I can get behind a lot of what Eckart says...

Regarding the Christ, I believe that is what happened to Yahsha at the river Jordan. That was when he was Christened by the Holy Spirit as a full fledged Son of God, found worthy ("My Son, with whom I am pleased") of his full inheritance.

As we all have been invited to do.
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Your title is abit misleading but that's cool.

That explains why some refer to him as "Yeshua".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1396690

That's why Jesus is in quotes.

But if that's wrong, what about everything else associated with "Jesus"?
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


SHHHHH!!! You are ruining thousands of years of marketing! If you keep asking questions like this, it will uncover all the effort that went into this campaign. Do you want the deaths of all the martyrs, crusaders and their victims, and all the others that died so that sales will increase? you are heartless.

Yes, that was sarcasm. It is time the truth started to come out about religion in general. Anything that suggests I take a knee to it is my enemy. My will is my own, and I suggest you all find your will as well, or follow mine >;)
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No kidding right? Oh so much inertia behind it....
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Satan loves you more than Jesus.
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To have a really good character you have to have a really bad character right?
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All praise the new Sun! chuckle

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Questions, comments, concerns?


Surely somebody out there in GLP land finds this relevant....
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


Those who seek Jesus at the gates shall be denied.

Those who know the true name shall receive Salvation.
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I hate platitudes. What does that mean? Realy, I want to know.
 Quoting: Centex


What he means, I think, and this is confirmed in the first few chapter of The Book of Revelation where all the false church's are discussed and how they mislead their flocks, is that the modern day church has mislead people in the using a name that has been twisted for the purpose of deceiving people.
I believe that G_D did indeed promise salvation, to all of us, regardless of what we do while we are here. G_D is LOVE and pure. Something pure cannot possibly be harnessed to create the type of damage that has been done in the name of almost ALL modern day western religion dating back the past few hundred years. The pure name had to be perverted to accomplish that.
The second and third commandments warn against putting any other Gods before the ONE and to Not create Engraven Images. The very act of naming and imaging is a direct violation of those commandments.
I don't think we will be condemned for eternity for breaking these commandments, any of us, but I do think that not living according to the suggestions put forth in the commandments pretty much ruins ANY chance of us ever finding paradise on Earth, which is a cryin shame because we were offered that chance too.

I do believe that what we so vainly name G_d, YahSha, etc.. in an attempt to describe and label something that none of us living on this plane using the languages available to us... Remember---This skill was removed during the Tower of Babel incident-- probably to stop us from obliterating existence or something of that nature--, has promised all of his/her/its creations an eternity in its company. What good parent does not love its children? Or better yet, what kind of parent would condemn any one of its children to an eternity of hellfire and suchness? Any religion that tries to get people to think otherwise is sick, twisted and perverted!

It is Yom Kippur and tonight is a good night to ponder such things. I have been to all sorts of Church services, grew up hanging out in synagogues and participated in all sorts of other strange spiritual occurrences throughout my life. I have G_d in all of these places and yet in none of these places at the same time but indeed Always with us. I don't think IT's that fond of most of these churches in ANY of the major so called religions right now and has not been for a long time. I don't think our PARENT is very happy with most of us right now.

Open up to and accept the LOVE that is what we have so many names for, and STOP fighting over those names. The names themselves become the perversion. And we were warned right up front and No One seemed to ever get it...

Just my two cents....
Happy Yom Kippur
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Surely you are correct and 1/3 of the world's population is wrong.

The Antichrist comes near the end times, and we are all still here.

The Antichrist does not preach a message of love, sacrificing your life for your friends, and turning the other cheek.

"A" for creativity though.
 Quoting: Rambaldi


Would a rose, by any other name, smell so sweet?
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you need too change the title to " The name Jesus...." I gave you one star before i realized what you were trying to say.
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The other point I'm trying to make is that it's much more than that as "Jesus" has be turned into it's own entity/story and is the wool pulled over christian eyes.
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


In the bible it's MUD on the sheep eyes and ears...

Then the eyes of the blind will be opened And the ears of the deaf will be unstopped. King James Bible.
[link to bible.cc]

the healing of the blind

See John 9:1-41
Jesus saw a man who was blind from birth. He then spat on the ground and made mud with the saliva and spread the mud on the man's eyes, telling him to go wash in the pool of Siloam. The man did this and was able to see. The people who had known the man were astounded and they brought the Pharisees to him. After many questions, which also included asking questions of the man's parents, the Pharisees still could not accept the fact that Jesus cured a man who had been born blind. Jesus made the statement "For judgment I have come into this world, so that the blind will see and those who see will become blind."


"They took what they wanted ... and they wanted the world!"

"The thunder of their plundering shook the earth, the seas, the sky!"

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well if you hear jaaaa jaaaaaaa at night you know that he still is around.


i'm just waitn for that island.
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hell sometimes you hear it , umph umph,yeh ,umph ,uche , haaaaaaaaaa yeah
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oh btw when did they made the word : chem i call.
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Re: The name "Jesus" didn't exist until 500 years ago...
Since it's such a big deal, you might as well get it right...right?



From: [link to www.remnantofyhwh.com]
The 'J' Didn't Exist

One of the most obvious reasons that "Jesus" and "Jehovah" are incorrect is found in their common initial letter, J. Most comprehensive dictionaries and encyclopedias demonstrate that the letter J is of recent derivation. The Encyclopedia Americana contains the following on the J:

The form of J was unknown in any alphabet until the 14th century. Either symbol (J,I) used initially generally had the consonantal sound of Y as in year. Gradually, the two symbols (J,l) were differentiated, the J usually acquiring consonantal force and thus becoming regarded as a consonant, and the I becoming a vowel. It was not until 1630 that the differentiation became general in England.

And the Son's Name?

From a study of the origin of letters that make up the word "Jesus" in our English Bibles, we can readily see that the name of the Savior underwent considerable change as it was brought from one language to another.

The name of the Redeemer of Israel, who has the only name through which man can find salvation (Acts 4:12), has been given a Latinized hybrid name that never existed in Hebrew and did not exist in English until 500 years ago.
Clearly, the name of the Savior was changed from Yahusha, through contraction, to Joshua. Evidence that the Y in His name took on the J is found in Acts 7:45 and Hebrews 4:8, where translators of the King James Version inserted "Jesus" when Joshua (Yahusha), the son of Nun, was meant.

As with the Father's Name, numerous sources easily available attest that the Name Yahsha is incorrectly rendered "Jesus."

You got that.......right? "Jesus" came into existence only 500 years ago.



Why? Why would the Son's name be changed? What did the original name mean? It directly meant God Saves...what does modern Christianity say? Jesus saves.

Looking at the set up of the mythos of Jesus in Christianity and i can see very clearly the dragon with lambs horns deceiving the world, of Revelation.

Since of impeccable self-righteousness? Dragon. Since of privilege over other? Dragon. Joy in condemning "sinners"? Dragon.


Want to know what the anti Christ is? It's "The Jesus" put in-front of the Christ And all the false stories wrapped around a Living Truth. To make you less and faulty, and The Son on an unreachable pedestal (of death ironically)

Such demonstrable God Reality at the time had to be hijacked and twisted as it could in no ways be denied.

Belief must give way to Truth so that true faith may do it's work in us...so that we may step into fruition as Yahusha demonstrated and invited us to. The apostles walked as he was and did miracles too....

Ultimately God is a spirit and those who worship Him/Her, worship in spirit.

There is a time for names, and then there's a time to shut the hell up so that you may receive your new one!


hf everyone....be good to each other.
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex

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Surely you are correct and 1/3 of the world's population is wrong.

The Antichrist comes near the end times, and we are all still here.

The Antichrist does not preach a message of love, sacrificing your life for your friends, and turning the other cheek.

"A" for creativity though.
 Quoting: Rambaldi


Would a rose, by any other name, smell so sweet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2891492

Interestingly no, I wish I could fine the study, but it's out there, a rose by another name does not smell as sweet because we condition ourselves by expectation.

Ever pick up a glass of water to take a drink and find out it's sprite? Tastes terrible!...until you realize it's sprite!
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hf everyone....be good to each other.
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Beautiful, and highly apropos scriptural information, thank you for that!

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i still don't ask how are you anywayayay.
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I'm fine, thanks for not asking... 1dunno1
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Our fellow man can be most difficult sometimes, I feel the majority are walking around with head trauma. Keep bringing things to light XR, some of us greatly enjoy your coherence
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Ultimately God is a spirit and those who worship Him/Her, worship in spirit.


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I think you're on to something. God is not a man named Yeshua or Jesus or whatever.
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Ultimately God is a spirit and those who worship Him/Her, worship in spirit.


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I think you're on to something. God is not a man named Yeshua or Jesus or whatever.
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And yet the highest mystery demonstrated to us is Man and God as one...
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Your title is abit misleading but that's cool.

That explains why some refer to him as "Yeshua".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1396690

That's why Jesus is in quotes.

But if that's wrong, what about everything else associated with "Jesus"?
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


i knew that was where you were headed with this thread.

cultures change the name of things all the time.they also give nick names to things all the time too.money,cash,ducits,bread all mean the same thing over time....so does that mean money or anything that is linked to money is'nt real either???

btw nothing is "wrong" jesus is yet 1 of many names for the lord.....btw people have many names for GOD as well...
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Surely you are correct and 1/3 of the world's population is wrong.

The Antichrist comes near the end times, and we are all still here.

The Antichrist does not preach a message of love, sacrificing your life for your friends, and turning the other cheek.

"A" for creativity though.
 Quoting: Rambaldi


Would a rose, by any other name, smell so sweet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2891492


nice try...but you could call a rose shit and it would still have the same smell...
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You're incredibly stupid, OP.
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Surely you are correct and 1/3 of the world's population is wrong.

The Antichrist comes near the end times, and we are all still here.

The Antichrist does not preach a message of love, sacrificing your life for your friends, and turning the other cheek.

"A" for creativity though.
 Quoting: Rambaldi


Would a rose, by any other name, smell so sweet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2891492


nice try...but you could call a rose shit and it would still have the same smell...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2206799

It would have the same smell, but we would not like it as much.

Seriously, there was a study on this. It would experientialy not smell as sweet.

Think of the sprite/water switch, both are tasty and refreshing but if you're expecting one and get the other....bleh.
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You're incredibly stupid, OP.
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I guess you'll have to relay that to all the other scholars who found this out before me.

And you are incredibly lacking in communication skills.
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Your title is abit misleading but that's cool.

That explains why some refer to him as "Yeshua".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1396690

That's why Jesus is in quotes.

But if that's wrong, what about everything else associated with "Jesus"?
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


i knew that was where you were headed with this thread.

cultures change the name of things all the time.they also give nick names to things all the time too.money,cash,ducits,bread all mean the same thing over time....so does that mean money or anything that is linked to money is'nt real either???

btw nothing is "wrong" jesus is yet 1 of many names for the lord.....btw people have many names for GOD as well...
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Re-read the part about egregores.
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Questions, comments, concerns?


Surely somebody out there in GLP land finds this relevant....
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


Nope. No more than Paul wasn't called Paul, Peter wasn't called Peter, Matthew wasn't called Matthew, Mary wasn't called Mary ...
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Surely somebody out there in GLP land finds this relevant....
 Quoting: Xisuthros Rex


Nope. No more than Paul wasn't called Paul, Peter wasn't called Peter, Matthew wasn't called Matthew, Mary wasn't called Mary ...
 Quoting: Life and Love

Not very much has been stacked onto them regaurding your eternal souls salvation or total and complete damnation for all eternity ever and ever now has it?

I find your lack of insight disturbing...
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