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Calling all Great Minds: A discussion on Reality

 
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Posted by TheWater
April 8, 2016
On the "Read It" website
Search for the topic: "Maybe aliens haven't visited us because they live millions of light years away and think there are only dinosaurs on our planet"

Well, I'm no scientist, but I love reading about these topics.

"What was there before the universe," is basically a pointless question, in a sense. The Big Bang Theory (the theory, not that goddamn show) states that the universe was once condensed to a single microscopic point before eventually exploding outwards, creating the universe we know now. So when you ask "what was before the universe," you are essentially asking "what was outside of that microscopic point that would eventually explode into the universe." Well, what was outside of that point was...nothing. To be clear, I am going way outside my area of expertise here, but trying my best. There was no time, there was no matter. There wasn't even "space" as we think of it now, even though the general idea of "empty space" is basically "nothing." There simply was, literally, nothing.

The reason the question is rather pointless (and that's not to say it isn't worth asking because it is fascinating to contemplate) is because any potential answer defies human comprehension. We are beings of our universe. We live and die in our universe. Everything about us, everything we know and understand and seek, is all within our universe. As such, we cannot adequately comprehend what is truly nothing. Even when our eyes tell us "There is nothing there in that area of empty space," there is still something there; we just can't see it with the naked eye. Before the universe, there was truly nothing, and it is beyond our understanding. There was nothing to know, nothing to understand, nothing to discover, nothing to learn. There was no past, present or future. There were no seconds, minutes, hours, days, weeks, months or years. There was no relativity, there were no laws. Seriously, there was nothing.

EDIT: I put this in a reply to a comment below, but wanted to include it here. My high school physics teacher phrased this concept in such a way that I still refer back to it even now. Obviously, he was trying to convey it to a room of 14-16 year old kids as non-scientifically as possible. I remember the entire exchange because when he began, he called on me to facilitate his point. I found my science classes fascinating, but I've always done terribly in any subject that involved numbers and calculations, so by extension, any science or math subject in school was always my worst. Didn't mean I didn't pay attention or enjoy the classes though. Anyway, he said:

"Okay, so you guys are asking me what was there before the universe. I'm telling you there was literally nothing. The hurdle we have right now is that you guys, as well as all humans generally, cannot truly comprehend true nothingness. So I'll ask you, within this nothingness, is there 'light'?" (He directed this question towards me)

"Of course not. If there is nothing, then by default, there is no light. There can't be light."

"Okay, so if there is no light, that means nothing is just all-consuming darkness, right?"

"Well, yeah. If there is no light, then there is only darkness. So nothing is just a bunch of darkness."

"Wrong. Remember, we are contemplating true nothingness. As such, there is neither light nor darkness. There is only nothing. You say there must only be darkness, but that is only because we think of pure darkness in our feeble attempts to wrap our minds around true nothingness. In reality, there isn't even darkness. Do you see where I am going with this? True nothingness is so outside the bounds of our comprehension that not even the frightening, rather ambiguous concept of pure and total darkness accurately describes what true nothingness actually is."

He finished this little tidbit by phrasing it in a way I can't remember with enough accuracy to type it word for word, but basically he said, "Darkness is the absence of light. But what if there was not only no light, but light itself was never a thing? What if there wasn't even the concept of light? What if there was never a time when light existed? That would mean there is not anything for something to be in the absence of something else because that 'something else' never existed in the first place. As such, there is no darkness just as there is no light. There is only nothing."
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This is a discussion on reality. All "old souls", inquisitive minds, skeptical minds, confused minds, and others are invited to crack the Reality nut (or go nuts in the process).

This can be quite a confusing matter to discuss, so I'd like to propose that we use two kinds of English.

1) Most Accurate (MA)
2) Plain English (PE)

Sometimes the only way to answer something is to try to express in the most accurate way possible. Usually this means resorting to quotation marks and high conceptual pathways in order to try to translate the complexities of the response (#1).

At other times we need to speak plainly, without quotes and complex syntax, so that others can easily understand. (So, #2.)

Feel free to respond as you wish. But for me I will begin some questions and responses with a "MA" or "PE" notation. Sometimes I may do both.

Yes, the true nature of reality can be complicated. But it really shouldn't be.

We can put our minds together to make sense of it, and understand a bit more about ourselves in the process.

About me:

I have a few threads on this site. During the past 2 years I've been posting about perception and perspective, dream world integration, reality, quantum physics, the world at large, etc.

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Thread: Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality)
Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?)

But I'd like this to be a thread about how you think about reality, and other great minds to explain how reality works.

There is no wrong or right, of course, so I don't anticipate heated discussion.

If you want to know or share something about reality, post it here!
 Quoting: Chaol


(MA) Reality is the effect of realizing one is nothing.
(PE) When you realize you are nothing, you become something.
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Reality is that when I go to sleep, all of you cease to exist.

You only exist when I "visit" this website.

The only part of the world that really exists is that which I can currently see.

When I log off in a few minutes, you will all disappear until I return, so answer quickly!

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Nope. Reality is that which when you go to sleep persists. Whether you like it or not.
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This is a discussion on reality. All "old souls", inquisitive minds, skeptical minds, confused minds, and others are invited to crack the Reality nut (or go nuts in the process).

This can be quite a confusing matter to discuss, so I'd like to propose that we use two kinds of English.

1) Most Accurate (MA)
2) Plain English (PE)

Sometimes the only way to answer something is to try to express in the most accurate way possible. Usually this means resorting to quotation marks and high conceptual pathways in order to try to translate the complexities of the response (#1).

At other times we need to speak plainly, without quotes and complex syntax, so that others can easily understand. (So, #2.)

Feel free to respond as you wish. But for me I will begin some questions and responses with a "MA" or "PE" notation. Sometimes I may do both.

Yes, the true nature of reality can be complicated. But it really shouldn't be.

We can put our minds together to make sense of it, and understand a bit more about ourselves in the process.

About me:

I have a few threads on this site. During the past 2 years I've been posting about perception and perspective, dream world integration, reality, quantum physics, the world at large, etc.

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Thread: Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality)
Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?)

But I'd like this to be a thread about how you think about reality, and other great minds to explain how reality works.

There is no wrong or right, of course, so I don't anticipate heated discussion.

If you want to know or share something about reality, post it here!
 Quoting: Chaol


(MA) Reality is the effect of realizing one is nothing.
(PE) When you realize you are nothing, you become something.
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That's advaita bs. Do you even understand what nothing is? The beliefs you hold shows the personality you have, and you are not nothing, if you were you'd simply be gone. Not even be there.
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Re: Calling all Great Minds: A discussion on Reality
But what happens when we talk to someone else?

Are we talking to ourselves? Is it any different than sitting in a chair? (Because it's all perception anyway)
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Didn't we do this Chaol? What are we doing here? Are you creating additional room for possibility? Is this thread a symbol representing your next goal? I respect and look forward to what you have to say, I am confused by your implied intent.(from my perspective, of course and I question you, only with the utmost respect)
 Quoting: MutantMessiah



Can you answer him please? When you talk to someone else are you talking to another yourself or to someone else?
(Kinda obvious that is not you) but answer him. Don't let chaol's bs on the air. Answer him and end with his sckpuppet game
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The true nature of existence is that to which existence is irrelevant.

Nothing is without existence.
It is wholly experiencing your perceptions about yourself.
Existence is within nothing.
By understanding your perceptions you remember what is true.

That to which existence is irrelevant is as non-existence.
Non-existence needs not prove its imperceptible truth.
That to which existence is sought is as infinite illusion.
Illusion forgets its imperceptible truth to seem real.

Existence is like a mirror that understands no real shape.
Non-existence is like a shape that understands no mirrors.
Illusion is as looking to the mirror to think one is real.
Truth is as looking to one's self to feel what truth is.

True being cannot be perceived for the perception.
For it is without it.
The illusion of being can re-member truth.
As it is within it.

That which is seen to exist seeks only
That which makes it feel extant.
True existence is not of that which depends
But of that which nothing knows of.

The nature of existence is the experience of resistance.
Without resistance, there is only that which is true.
One can only forget that all is the same.
Re-member the source of infinity and illusions disappear.

Existence is like an ocean.
Being is like the summit of each wave.
Not resisting itself, it does as it is.
It forgets itself, and is more than it is.

The truth of oneself is irrelevant.
How does truth know otherwise.
One cannot help but to already be true.
Though one can only perceive illusion.

Existence is in formation.
Information is being.
Being is infinite.
Infinity is resisting.

Non-existence is free of form.
Everything at once.
Nothing at all.
The unformed is within the source.

Everything that exists is illusion.
Nothing-in-particular is more true.
Everything is nothing is most true.
Truth is so real it need not exist.

Resistance is fear.
Fear of truth is the only fear,
That the self would no longer exist.
The need to exist is to misunderstand true self.

Perception is you reflected without beginning or end.
Opposition is as two sides of the same spherical infinity.
Expression is how you realise your own understanding.
Truth is what is without any perception.

True unity is imperceptible.
There is nothing relative about it.
What relation is there when all things embrace.
What fear is there when love is understood.

How naked truth is.
So vulnerable nothing touches it.
So loving nothing hates it.
How clothed existence is.

What fears one when fears are loved.
What fears one when nothing resists.
The fear of one creates the separations,
And makes illusions into a reality.

The fear of unity occupies one
With thoughts that seem more real.
How real is something that withers.
Busying oneself with details keeps one ignorant of spammer.

One's fears are illusions of what one is.
All illusions are desires.
All desires are illusions.
For one is already everything one can be.

For one to exist one remembers the illusion.
The source cannot be understood unless one forgets its perception.
The truth is perceived when one unperceives.
The imperceptible truth is fully remembered when there is nothing.

One is all,
All is one.
One perceives not what one is not.
One perceives only what is one.

One is not one
Since there is only one.
One is nothing in particular.
One need exist only when one forgets oneself.

Love is remembrance
Of more of what one truly is.
Love for everything is realisation
That the source is without specification.

Hate is forgetting love.
It is love complexified.
These things cannot be done.
The self is only remembered.

Resisting unity, it multiplies.
Resisting hate, there is more of it.
Remember the self and love is all ready.
Forget the self and one is confused.

Existence is like knowledge;
The more of it you realise,
The more truth you have forgotten.
What truth is so precise.

Everything here
Is all resisted.
What is now not
Is resisted not.

Perception is being surrounded by mirrors.
Resist the reflection and more are perceived.
Re-member the reflection and separations will disappear.
Realise you are what you perceive yet more than what can be.

The most important thing is endless expression,
The continual illustration of remembrance.
What you are is the source of existence.
Beyond being anything in particular.

How do you perceive something to be real
If only you know of things through comparison.
What is reality or illusion in a sea of questions.
How illusory is anything that seems comparable.

One reflects itself infinitely.
All things are the same.
Separations seem as we remember and forget.
Go to the source of perceiving to remember what really is.

You experience what you re-member.
Details how you re-member the one.
The whole forgets each detail.
The end resists its own truth.

One thing exists of infinite illustration.
Something is what it does not seem to be.
One thing is not itself and not another.
Everything seems, for no thing is true.

What is understood cannot be
Without what is misunderstood.
What is created cannot be
Without what is uncreated.

Something in particular is most forgotten.
Nothing in particular is most re-membered.
All of nothing in particular.
Nothing in particular is all.

The only thing truly known
Is no thing is truly known.
The only thing certain
Is no thing is certain.

The only thing that truly exists
Is that to which existence is irrelevant.
The only thing that is true
Is that nothing is true, including this.

The imperceptible is so basic,
Existence is irrelevant to it.
When existence is perceived,
Existence is not understood.

The imperceptible is easy.
If it is made more complex,
It will confuse ignorance,
And simply not exist in it.

The perceptible is infinitely divided.
It is so desirable to misunderstand.
It is frightening to unify things,
For everything must become free.

The perceptible is infinitely complex.
It is so hard to hide the truth.
The perceptible is actually imperceptible.
Perhaps the greatest illusion of all.

One's perception is
One's belief of oneself.
How long before one believes
That what one truly is is imperceptible.

When you are the whole universe is.
Act and the universe acts with you.
Take the universe into consideration all ways.
Think of yourself as being everything that is.

Where you are the whole universe is.
Nothing outside of you, nothing within.
The infinite being is as close to your heart
As nothing is to something in particular.

Anything not perceived is that which is perceived.
Nothing need exist outside of perception.
Perception is resistance illustrated.
Everything resists truth.

The illusion of a wheel turning
Is the complexification of its central source.
Yet the source cannot be perceived.
For the source is nowhere specific.

The source of resistance is non-resistance.
What can resist what knows no resistance.
The source of all things is so true
It does not do have to do anything.

What is small is big as well.
Small cannot seem to be unless bigger is bigger.
What is big is small as well.
Big cannot seem to be unless smaller is smaller.

The source cannot perceive itself as being the source.
The source is everywhere and nowhere.
Being everything yet nothing it does not think itself
The source of all that is yet is not.

Truth is free of experience.
It is free of any event.
Truth is free of existence.
It is free of any being.

The nature of time's pace
Is to remember what is forgotten.
Remembering one by realising the infinite illustrations.
Where is one exactly but nowhere in particular.

Remembering here and now
Your source is remembered.
You are more this loving
Than any remembered thing.

If you are,
You will think yourself not to be.
If you are not,
You will think yourself to be.

If you are an illusion,
You will seem to yourself to be real.
If you are real,
You will seem to yourself to be an illusion.

Looking out, infinite illusions are seen.
Looking in, basic truth is close to feeling.
Truth cannot be explained,
Why when you are most true.

What is perceived
Is only illusion,
As what is perceived
Is wholly incomplete.

One has not to understand existence.
One can only remember what one already is.
What reason should you perceive something,
If no truth of your own is perceived.

You must be something that you are not
In order to be more of what you truly are.
You can only be more of what you truly are
By being what you do not think yourself to be.

Being is remembering that everything is already.
Doing is resisting what naturally tends to be.
Being is remembering more of what one really is.
Doing is resisting more of what one really is.

Existing,
It is not that one forgets to remember,
But existing,
One remembers to forget.

Nothing extant is complete.
Only nothing completes existence.
Without nothing, there is nothing.
Nothing is more complete than anything.

All things exist as one, at once.
Everything can be perceived from anything.
Something tries to illustrate nothing.
It endlessly tries to illustrate nothing.

Everything is perceived
As nothing is forgotten.
Nothing is remembered
As everything perceives.

Nothing is the bond that holds all things together.
Without nothing, the illusion of things cannot be.
All things are illusions that forget what is true.
Within nothing there seems to be something.

How can one think of everything at once
From a changing perception.
How can one perceive nothing at once
From any perception.

One can remember oneself as the source
By perceiving freely,
By thinking without resistance,
And being one self.

Everything that exists has the single purpose
Of resisting what is true by seeking an endlessness.
Remembering the source of existence,
The infinite distraction is no longer needed.

What makes you feel like you are
Makes you forget what you are.
What seems to exist from without
Is not remembered from within.

How can two things exist in an infinite universe.
How can anything finite exist in any universe.
How can a source exist anywhere.
How can something really be the ultimate source.

To perceive once your own perception.
Is to remember your self as the source of existence.
To think once your own thoughts.
Is to remember your self as the cause of being.

In one perception
Is the entire universe.
In each moment
It is perceived anew.

To want is to ignore everything one already is.
What one cannot possess is nothing.
Everything one perceives is one's already.
Nothing can all ways be forgotten.

Nothing is easy to forget.
Something is easy to remember.
Nothing is difficult to remember.
Something is difficult to forget.

Something that can be attained
Is not worth attaining.
The illusions exhaust one infinitely.
The illusion is not what it seems to be.

Remembering your inherent value,
There is nothing more valuable.
The only thing that can be done
Is remember or forget the truth.

Nothing is the most difficult to remember,
As it requires no effort.
Nothing in particular is the most difficult to be,
As it requires no action.

Creating something is easy,
As it only requires forgetting unity.
Creating something in particular is easy,
As it requires forgetting inherent wholeness.

In everything you do,
Its opposite you also do.
In everything you say,
Its opposite you also say.

In everything that you feel,
Its opposite you also feel.
In everything that you are,
Its opposite you also are.

By one thing,
All things are.
Everything in one thing.
One thing in everything.

What does the source of existence matter.
Why should anything have a purpose.
What would be the purpose of the purpose.
Why should the truth be remembered.

All things come from the nothing all things really are.
The truest thing is the least resistant to everything.
The least resistant thing is most the source of existence.
The source of existence resists not anything.

One can only perceive one's thought.
One can only experience one's self.
One can only hate what one is.
One can only love what one is.

Remember one, sixty in one,
Thirty in two, twenty in three,
Fifteen in four, twelve in five.
All things equal in whole and in part.

The more basic one is,
The less resistant everything is.
In simplicity there is more abundance,
In complexity there is more resistance.

You are more what you are unaware of
Than that which you seem to be aware.
Something is more of what nothing is
Than what something seems most to be.

Doing is forgetting
That you are.
Being is remembering
That you are.

The more you resist something
The more you are already
Affected by what you resist,
And the more you are of what you resist.

What you perceive yourself
To be
Is what you perceive the imperceptible
To be.

If any thing was complete in perception,
All things would be perceived the same.
When any thing is complete in perception,
Nothing is misunderstood.

You consider your self as you consider others.
You love your self as you love others.
You remember your self as you remember others.
The only the truth is of what you are.

When anything is done to the last
The same is done to the first.
For infinity is where you are;
The source is everywhere and nowhere in particular.

Everything is the source
Of everything.
Nothing is the source
Of nothing.

Everything is nothing specific.
Nothing is everything specific.
What anything is is nothing.
Nothing is what is is not.

Only when one is vulnerable
Can one be open to the source.
Only when one forgets beliefs
Can one remember what is true.

Think what is not thought.
Feel what is not felt.
See what is not seen.
To understand what is true.

We can only really perceive something
By perceiving what it seems not to be.
We can only really understand something
By understanding what it seems not to be.

Everything is in the whole
Of your perception this moment.
Nothing is not what you are.
Nothing knows no existence.

When the truth is realised
It is no longer true.
When the imperceptible is perceived
It is no longer imperceptible.

Nothing is true.
Nothing is false.
Nothing is perceptible.
Nothing is imperceptible.

What is perceived is
How you remember your self.
All things perceived
Is you in complete.

The only thing that can be seen is nothing.
The only thing that can be thought is nothing.
The only thing that can be done is nothing.
With nothing nothing is done not.

Everything perceived
Is nothing illustrated.
The only perception there is
Is the misunderstanding of truth.

One perceives not
That which perceives not.
One perceives only illusion
That truth does not remember.

Loving another,
Another must love.
Doing something,
Something must do.

One does not perceive,
But believe that one does.
How sleepy perceptions are
On dense clouds of illusion.

Things only seem different
As existence is not wholly perceived.
Existence only seems to be real
As things seem wholly different.

Truth is you without the perception of you.
Truth is you without the misunderstanding of you.
Illusion is the misunderstanding of truth.
Illusion is needed to perceive existence.

One remembers the whole of existence
As one remembers nothing in particular.
One remembers the whole of oneself
As one forgets the endless details.

To embrace that not you
Is to remember yourself.
To love that which hates
Is to embrace your being.

The more something is resisted,
The more it will be perceived.
All things are the same one.
Something cannot be forgotten.

Each thing resists
What it is truly.
What each thing truly is
Is nothing in particular.

As everything is resisted
Nothing is truly resisted.
As everything is perceived
Nothing is truly perceived.

All desires are fears.
All fears are desires.
Desires know no existence.
Existence knows only fear.

Whatever one resists, exists.
Whatever exists, one resists.
Whatever exists not is one all ready.
Whatever one resists not needs not exist.

Big is small.
Small is big.
The opposite validates the other's existence.
The other's existence validates the opposite.

How old is time to itself.
How big is space to itself.
How you are you to yourself.
How infinite is infinity to itself.

The perception of nothing
Is why perceptions are illusions.
Nothing is wholly independent
Of the infinite perceptions.

All is less than a single thought.
One is all ways infinite.
Nothing understands it.
Something misunderstands it.

The less one perceives,
The more one remembers oneself.
The less one perceives,
The more one remembers all to be one.

The origin of something
Is the perception of something.
The truth of something
Is that which is not perceived.

The more you fear the truth
The more you seek to validate your existence.
The more you fear your self
The more you seek others for your own truths.

As the source of existence is forgotten,
Its simplicity seems to be complex.
As the source of existence is remembered,
Its complexity seems to be simple.

One seems to exist
As one remembers what one really is.
As one remembers what one really is,
One needs not exist.

If the truth of you were perceptible,
Perceptions would change not.
If the truth of you were imperceptible,
You would remember it not.

Perceive nothing in particular,
And all things are perceived.
Remember this the source,
And all is remembered.

All things are true,
Nothing is most true.
Perceive something in particular
And truth is forgotten.

The illusion is perceived.
The truth is not perceived.
Everything is the illusion.
Nothing is the truth.

Something cannot ever truly be exact.
Something is not what it seems to be.
Anything is really nothing in particular.
Nothing is really anything in particular.

That which does not see for itself is blind yet sees all.
That which lives not for itself is immortal yet eternal.
That which acts not for itself is nowhere yet everywhere.
That which accepts everything is everything yet nothing.

To resist is to remember not that one is everything.
To desire is to remember not that one already possesses.
To act is to remember not all things are all ready.
To think is to remember not the thought that is there.

By knowing, wanting, thinking, or acting not,
The truth is near perception.
By acting, thinking, wanting, or knowing,
Are illusions near perception.

Being is the imperceptible.
Being not is the perceptible.
All is the imperceptible illusion.
Nothing is the perceptible truth.

The truth is imperceptible.
One is true as one does not realise it.
The truth sees nothing in particular.
Nothing in particular perceives not truth.

Remember the source is complete.
Remember the source is true.
Remember the source is forgotten.
Remember the source is what you are.

Everything exists not in completion
If not for your complete existence.
The more you remember your self,
The more complete everything is.

For something to be true,
Its opposite is also true.
For an illusion to be,
All things must be illusory.

Around every source
Everything is found.
Within every center
The source is nothing.

Nothing is extant if it is not.
Nothing is true if it is extant.
Everything is extant if it is not.
Everything is true if it is not.

Something is truly
Nothing in particular.
Nothing is truly
Everything that seems.

Truth is remembered not
When beliefs know perceptions.
Illusions are forgotten not
When something is perceived.

A wheel forgets its source as it turns.
Its size makes complex the simplicity.
The wheel complexifies itself to try to equal
The simplicity of its source that it remembers.

The source is so efficient, nothing is done.
The source is so simple, nothing is seen.
The source is so true, all things seek it.
The source is so real, it exists not.

A thing remembers and thinks its exists,
But non-existence could not forget.
A thing forgets to think it exists,
And the source remains forever constant.

By nothing is anything true.
Truth is not what restricts.
By nothing is truth anything.
Truth is not what resists.

For an answer to be perceived,
The question must be expressly understood.
For the source to be remembered,
The perception must be expressly forgotten.

Fear is the energy of illusion.
Only illusion is perceptible.
The nothing of truth is feared.
This fear is dependent upon the perception.

What seems good
Is not really good
But is less resisted
In that which loves.

What seems bad
Is not really bad
But is more resisted
In that which fears.

Everything extant must be perceived
Before one understands what something is.
Everything extant must be experienced
Before one understands what is happening.

In the source
The complexity surrounds us.
In the perceptible
Nothing is truly found.

What is sought
Is existence.
What is sought not
Is non-existence.

Perceive others
To seem extant.
Perceive one self
To be extant.

Whatever you perceive in another
You are also experiencing of you.
You are experiencing your self
Whenever you perceive an other.

Resistance is fearing self.
Resistance is illusion.
There is nothing to resist.
Not resisting is truth.

When the outside is forgotten
The inside is remembered.
All is complex and seems
To remember the simple and is.

The more non-resistant something is
The more existence is understood.
The more truth is misunderstood
The more resistance seems to be.

Non-resistance is nothing.
As it does not resist resistance.
Resistance is everything.
And everything is really nothing.

Why is the same thing said
And said and said and said.
Why is one thing extant
And only extant in everything.

By opposing
You create something to oppose.
By resisting
You create something to resist.

In this way
Simple things seem complex,
Easy things seem hard,
Understandings seem confused.

To pursue what you create
And not the source of you,
Is to pursue illusion
And resist your truth.

To perceive not something
Is everything perceived.
To remember the source
Is nothing perceived.

Truth is ramified not.
Everything ramifies its truth.
What is illusion is truth forgotten.
What is truth is illusion remembered.

Something is perceived
And everything seems to be.
Everything is illusion
And nothing is existence.

The imperceptible is the only truth
Of one's existence.
Existence, to fear not what truly is
The source of one.

 Quoting: Chaol


Nice religious advaita poem. But all simple plain bs.
There is no such thing as 'unity". No, we are not one. No, none of this is true. Everything you wrote here is a fictional poem. No, we are not connected individuals. No, you are not smart, and yes, you are a sockpuppt trying to push your agenda in this forum (like others in this I"am" religious agenda).

(notice how many times chaos repeats "nothing", it's all about subconscious manipulation)

[There are more people like him in other forums, pushing this agenda. I'm going to expose them all on youtube and in all forums, and end their game]

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This is a discussion on reality. All "old souls", inquisitive minds, skeptical minds, confused minds, and others are invited to crack the Reality nut (or go nuts in the process).

This can be quite a confusing matter to discuss, so I'd like to propose that we use two kinds of English.

1) Most Accurate (MA)
2) Plain English (PE)

Sometimes the only way to answer something is to try to express in the most accurate way possible. Usually this means resorting to quotation marks and high conceptual pathways in order to try to translate the complexities of the response (#1).

At other times we need to speak plainly, without quotes and complex syntax, so that others can easily understand. (So, #2.)

Feel free to respond as you wish. But for me I will begin some questions and responses with a "MA" or "PE" notation. Sometimes I may do both.

Yes, the true nature of reality can be complicated. But it really shouldn't be.

We can put our minds together to make sense of it, and understand a bit more about ourselves in the process.

About me:

I have a few threads on this site. During the past 2 years I've been posting about perception and perspective, dream world integration, reality, quantum physics, the world at large, etc.

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Thread: Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality)
Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?)

But I'd like this to be a thread about how you think about reality, and other great minds to explain how reality works.

There is no wrong or right, of course, so I don't anticipate heated discussion.

If you want to know or share something about reality, post it here!
 Quoting: Chaol


(MA) Reality is the effect of realizing one is nothing.
(PE) When you realize you are nothing, you become something.
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Fact is, you are neither something, nor nothing. You're an individual
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But what happens when we talk to someone else?

Are we talking to ourselves? Is it any different than sitting in a chair? (Because it's all perception anyway)
 Quoting: Chaol


Didn't we do this Chaol? What are we doing here? Are you creating additional room for possibility? Is this thread a symbol representing your next goal? I respect and look forward to what you have to say, I am confused by your implied intent.(from my perspective, of course and I question you, only with the utmost respect)
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Hi.

On my threads, I have an agenda.

On this thread, there is no agenda. Its open to (m)any interpretations and opinions.

Hopefully others will see the value in discussing something we're not sure about.
 Quoting: Chaol


Thank you!

Alright I'll take a stab at it...

"Reality" could be defined as... all there is, was and will be.

Our reality (current perspective) is a reflection of our choice. Each time a choice was available, we made one, like it or not, that led us to this moment. It doesn't matter if we came into being at this moment with a fabricated awareness of a past, we still behave at this moment as if it's true.

Our reality holds no default meaning, all meaning is assigned by the one experiencing reality. This is why we have so many different view points on reality. You are the one that assigns the meaning to all that exists within your reality.

What you believe is True, is true to you. If you doubt it, then obviously it's not true to you. Your reality follows the rules of your belief.

Reality responds to your will.

5a
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Define 'reality' ?
No, reality is not "all there is". there is no 'all' there is" to begin with
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Our reality is the most inexplicable event in our universe!
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The Reality is ...


... the ship is sinking

... the crew is lying about it

... there are not enough life boats

... some can swim and some cannot

... it's dark and the water is very fucking cold

... the band is still playing 'doing up the Ritz'

... there is only one way out of this situation.



You must learn to fly and you must learn quickly!

start by making yourself as light as possible

and look toward Heaven as this is where you want

your new found wings to take you.

You can navigate by the stars.

Help may or may not be coming so
be ready to make that leap of Faith.

Nothing is Real

I hope this helps!

hf
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How many pseudo-poets of the "nothing" religious poems (sockpuppts like you chaol and many others shillin on this website are there?)
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This is a sub reality, the eternal is the real reality. We do not see reality for what it really is.
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Nice religious advaita poem. But all simple plain bs.
There is no such thing as 'unity". No, we are not one. No, none of this is true. Everything you wrote here is a fictional poem. No, we are not connected individuals. No, you are not smart, and yes, you are a sockpuppt trying to push your agenda in this forum (like others in this I"am" religious agenda).

(notice how many times chaos repeats "nothing", it's all about subconscious manipulation)

[There are more people like him in other forums, pushing this agenda. I'm going to expose them all on youtube and in all forums, and end their game]
 Quoting: demantix


Advaitic language can be seen as more of a signpost or tool than a representation of truth. It points towards something inexpressible, and words like reality/truth/nothing are open to interpretation. The whole point is to inquire and infer the source and utility of your own thoughts, based on direct experience and observation. The words act as an invitation.

It is totally useless in most contexts, because it is the ultimate negation. It can be misused if someone with low self-esteem adopts the mode of thought in order to feel powerful over others, or shut down an argument. What good would it do for someone to shout "it's all fake, can't you see!" in a movie theater?

The language tends to take an all or nothing approach, and repeats the same thing in thousands of different ways. This is why it comes across as an "agenda." I'll see people dump advaitic text without any attempt to put it into context, as if the text itself had some value. Semantics also get in the way- "we are all one," does not need to imply what you think it does. You call your computer screen or body one thing, but it's really numerous pixels / organs working together.

I would invite anyone to observe how opposites can be simultaneously true from different perspectives (although only one can be held at a time, as shown in negative/positive space illusions like the face/vase). Yes, this looks like relativism. Modes of thought can be thought of as filters or lenses- advaitic thought is a lens that attempts to illuminate the seed of experience.

You are free to spend your time exposing people's use of advaitic language- there is a direct need for that with people turning it into a shiny possession. It is also an opportunity to consider why the language creates such a strong response in you.

The reason I sit here defending it is because you are correct, but also seeing it from a different perspective than I am. So I offer my perspective in the same way you wish to expose others.
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This is a discussion on reality. All "old souls", inquisitive minds, skeptical minds, confused minds, and others are invited to crack the Reality nut (or go nuts in the process).

This can be quite a confusing matter to discuss, so I'd like to propose that we use two kinds of English.

1) Most Accurate (MA)
2) Plain English (PE)

Sometimes the only way to answer something is to try to express in the most accurate way possible. Usually this means resorting to quotation marks and high conceptual pathways in order to try to translate the complexities of the response (#1).

At other times we need to speak plainly, without quotes and complex syntax, so that others can easily understand. (So, #2.)

Feel free to respond as you wish. But for me I will begin some questions and responses with a "MA" or "PE" notation. Sometimes I may do both.

Yes, the true nature of reality can be complicated. But it really shouldn't be.

We can put our minds together to make sense of it, and understand a bit more about ourselves in the process.

About me:

I have a few threads on this site. During the past 2 years I've been posting about perception and perspective, dream world integration, reality, quantum physics, the world at large, etc.

Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe". Introduction to a new way of thinking.
Thread: Neuronics: The future of humanity (Humanity without physicality)
Thread: Notes from an "alternate universe": September 29 - October 28. (Do you know what happened at Farpoint Station?)

But I'd like this to be a thread about how you think about reality, and other great minds to explain how reality works.

There is no wrong or right, of course, so I don't anticipate heated discussion.

If you want to know or share something about reality, post it here!
 Quoting: Chaol


(MA) Reality is the effect of realizing one is nothing.
(PE) When you realize you are nothing, you become something.
 Quoting: anonymous coward 76264586


Fact is, you are neither something, nor nothing. You're an individual
 Quoting: demantix


(MA) I am nothing between something(s)
(PE) I am the reference field AKA the essence of existence
(SS) Welcome to void, bitches

By the way, SS = Steph Speak
All-knowing, All-seeing, All-doing.

Infinite stability, infinite flexibility.

Completeness. All possibilities complete.

Timeless eternity in the midst of time.

Stillness in the midst of activity.

Non-change in the midst of change.

The fountainhead of all variations.

Perfect choice.

Sufficient supply.

Only doing what you love.

Doing nothing to accomplish everything.

Fond-Flow-Effulgence.