Calling all Great Minds: A discussion on Reality | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4876801 United States 01/28/2012 01:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You mentioned that reality = math. Quoting: Chaol But wouldn't maths exist entirely in one's perception? Not the way I see it, as if there is one then adding another will make two. Apparently, in your view, must there be an entity to perceive that there are two. In that sense, it is inarguable that you are correct. I disagree. In my view, no entity is required for the existence of the two. For instance, there may be several hundred dimensions, as were. Do they not exist because we cannot perceive them? However, for me to answer the question, I was required to add qualifiers. This is what led to my stating that reality = math. Reality is a variable. Variables exist in algebra. Algebra is a math. My best answer. :) |
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Wiznick User ID: 9757246 France 01/28/2012 04:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The true nature of existence is that to which existence is irrelevant. Quoting: Chaol Nothing is without existence. It is wholly experiencing your perceptions about yourself. Existence is within nothing. By understanding your perceptions you remember what is true. ........etc...... Beautifully put Chaol - reminds me of the Tao My summary in MA would be: 1. The Ultimate Truth is that there is no Ultimate Truth - and that's the Ultimate Truth. 2. The only Absolute is the Absolute Absence of Absolutes. With Great Respect |
Chaol (OP) User ID: 2690124 Thailand 01/28/2012 09:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When we try to perceive something that is beyond perception it seems infinite and ever-changing. We try to grasp something that isn't there, first slowly then faster and faster with great purpose, creating a small tornado in the process. Then we think, "Okay, that is something!" Then the tornado, along with our hands, creates something else. Eventually we end up with what seems to be a complete universe. When really we didn't actually perceive it to begin with. Last Edited by Chaol on 01/28/2012 10:11 PM |
JATMON User ID: 7518028 United States 01/28/2012 09:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Those who may know, please respond: Obviously there could be no creation of matter without energy. Right? So, energy precedes matter. But what "form" does energy take, if it precedes matter? What contains energy? How does it exist without matter? How is energy expressed with no form? Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid, it is true that most stupid people are conservative. John Stuart Mill ************ It's much harder to be a liberal than a conservative. Why? Because it is easier to give someone the finger than a helping hand. Mike Royko |
Chaol (OP) User ID: 2690124 Thailand 01/28/2012 10:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | @JATMON If the answer is not obvious to our perspective, let's start with the assumption rather than the question. There is, "no creation of matter without energy", as is stated. We are assuming that there is creation, matter, and energy. Further, we are assuming that matter can be created and is created, matter can exist separately from energy and is separate, and matter needs energy to be created. We can make the above assumptions and (currently) arrive at no answer or we can start with an other assumption and see where it takes us. Let's assume that creation, matter, and energy are not separate but something that we perceive as being separate. (We can safely assume that we perceive them as being separate because of our assumptions. Outside of our perception we do not know if they are separate. Let us further assume that we cannot know of anything beyond our current perception and thus can only safely assume that our perception is all that exists.) So in that case our answers are thus: 1) But what "form" does energy take, if it precedes matter? [Irrelevant] 2) What contains energy? [Our perspective does, if it is indeed separate from energy] 3) How does it exist without matter? [Irrelevant] 4) How is energy expressed with no form? [If we can perceive it, it already has form. Although we don't know if any form that exists is real or not.] Of course, we don't know if this line of reasoning is true. But because it makes less unverifiable assumptions it can be reasoned that it is something that may have more of an answer for us than something else where no answer is obvious. It's not sexy, but it could work. Last Edited by Chaol on 01/28/2012 10:22 PM |
Ozicell User ID: 9265363 Australia 01/28/2012 10:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Reality exists in the subjective perception of the moment. As 'The Moment' is not quantifiable, it is equally true to say that ‘The Moment is also eternal and infinite in nature! Last Edited by Ozicell on 01/28/2012 10:18 PM That which is - has already been, And what is to be - has already been. Quote: King Solomon. |
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JATMON User ID: 7518028 United States 01/28/2012 10:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | @JATMON Quoting: Chaol If there is an interchangeble equivalence between matter and energy, as Einstein states, then we might safely hold that all states of matter are states of energy. But then that leads us to the question, "What is energy?". This is exactly where I have arrived as well. Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid, it is true that most stupid people are conservative. John Stuart Mill ************ It's much harder to be a liberal than a conservative. Why? Because it is easier to give someone the finger than a helping hand. Mike Royko |
Chaol (OP) User ID: 2690124 Thailand 01/28/2012 10:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What if when we use our eyes to see we are not seeing "reality" but seeing the result of how our eyes and brain work. What if when scientists look at and think about the quantum world they're not seeing the building blocks of reality but the building blocks of how our mind works? That the quantum world illustrates not the fundamentals of reality but reflect the dance of perspective? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4876801 United States 01/28/2012 10:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wouldn't you then need evidence for the hypothesis that reality = math? Quoting: Chaol If so, where would the evidence come from? Is it possible there is no evidence? It is more than possible that there is no evidence. It is likely. But, I don't see the need to proof my hypothesis. Again, no entity is required. I don't claim to know what actual reality consists of, in fact, I agree that as it is defined by ego, any answer will vary by nature. Perception. My attempt was to transcend my personal perceptions and identify the nature of a reality outside of my own ego. Thoughts? |
Chaol (OP) User ID: 2690124 Thailand 01/28/2012 10:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes. We could ask everyone on the planet and peer through every instrument. But they all are in our perception, aren't they? So I guess the question is, what is reality without our perception? If everything we perceive is a part of us (a part of our perception, which is a part of us) then it might be safe to assume our ego goes on forever, and is all there is. We could have no evidence that anything exists outside of our perception. Therefore, we could say that nothing is outside of our perception. But, yeah, this is entirely boring so I guess we'll go back to creating infinite illusions :) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4876801 United States 01/28/2012 10:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What if when we use our eyes to see we are not seeing "reality" but seeing the result of how our eyes and brain work. Quoting: Chaol What if when scientists look at and think about the quantum world they're not seeing the building blocks of reality but the building blocks of how our mind works? That the quantum world illustrates not the fundamentals of reality but reflect the dance of perspective? Perhaps. How about this...if something does not exist unless perceived, how can light travel? Once that light is perceived, it ceases to exist and can no longer travel. No? |
JATMON User ID: 7518028 United States 01/28/2012 11:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | @JATMON Quoting: Chaol If there is an interchangeble equivalence between matter and energy, as Einstein states, then we might safely hold that all states of matter are states of energy. But then that leads us to the question, "What is energy?". This is exactly where I have arrived as well. And this appears to be more complex than I had originally envisioned.. now there is the consideration of different types of energy.. ie.. kinetic, potential, vacuum, dark energy, phantom energy. And yet, all energy would seem to be inexorably linked to motion, and hence, to time. Although it is not true that all conservatives are stupid, it is true that most stupid people are conservative. John Stuart Mill ************ It's much harder to be a liberal than a conservative. Why? Because it is easier to give someone the finger than a helping hand. Mike Royko |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5877556 Canada 01/28/2012 11:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What if when we use our eyes to see we are not seeing "reality" but seeing the result of how our eyes and brain work. Quoting: Chaol What if when scientists look at and think about the quantum world they're not seeing the building blocks of reality but the building blocks of how our mind works? That the quantum world illustrates not the fundamentals of reality but reflect the dance of perspective? Perhaps. How about this...if something does not exist unless perceived, how can light travel? Once that light is perceived, it ceases to exist and can no longer travel. No? Only once it is perceived does light exist and can travel if your perception requires it to. |
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mrroy User ID: 1476070 United States 01/29/2012 12:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'll do it,reality is overrated. we're here to go |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 17882131 Mexico 06/13/2012 04:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | But what happens when we talk to someone else? Quoting: Chaol Are we talking to ourselves? Is it any different than sitting in a chair? (Because it's all perception anyway) Didn't we do this Chaol? What are we doing here? Are you creating additional room for possibility? Is this thread a symbol representing your next goal? I respect and look forward to what you have to say, I am confused by your implied intent.(from my perspective, of course and I question you, only with the utmost respect) Hi. On my threads, I have an agenda. On this thread, there is no agenda. Its open to (m)any interpretations and opinions. Hopefully others will see the value in discussing something we're not sure about. mmm i didnt see this thread before. I know this is a thread some abandoned but with luck somebody will come to check :) Reading your answer is passing my mind a question: You have an agenda in your threads, can you share what is? it can be a short answer. thanks btw seeking further how quantum work in the other world, i have done some interesting explorations and experiments altering fragments of my reality but in your plan it seem can be done more large and spontaneous. . |
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Unit3 User ID: 9834739 United States 10/21/2012 05:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | @Chaol. I am touched by your long post. It has made me so calm. Thank you. You lost me with this: The source is so efficient, nothing is done. The source is so simple, nothing is seen. The source is so true, all things seek it. The source is so real, it exists not. Source exists. It is energy. How can it not exist? It seems you've drawn amazing and profound conclusions from having exposed every facet of perception there is to be found...and even beyond that. Even to the point of feeling you created yourself. But, it is all still within duality. There is a place beyond duality. Did not Source allow this and provide for this? Aren't there things in your life "that just happen" that you do not know how or why? Last Edited by ERE3 on 10/21/2012 11:14 AM "We are the music makers. And we are the dreamers of dreams." Willy Wonka |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1540996 United States 10/21/2012 08:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Projection is the key- everything we see, touch, taste, or smell is merely a projection of how our mind interprets the electronic signal it is receiving. Each of us has our own "story", which acts as a filter to distort the signal and manipulate it so it fits into our version of "reality". The key, for ALL of us, is to dettach from our "stories' and filters and allow the electronic impulses to surge through us without being processed through our filters. When this is achieved, one reaches enlightment. In my experiences, the only brief times I have felt this was during periods of heavy meditation and stillness. The mind must become very still- which is why The Thugs in Charge have created an environment of distraction and endless noise. |
141 User ID: 12970282 Denmark 10/21/2012 09:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The true nature of existence is that to which existence is irrelevant. Quoting: Chaol Nothing is without existence. It is wholly experiencing your perceptions about yourself. Existence is within nothing. By understanding your perceptions you remember what is true. That to which existence is irrelevant is as non-existence. Non-existence needs not prove its imperceptible truth. That to which existence is sought is as infinite illusion. Illusion forgets its imperceptible truth to seem real. Existence is like a mirror that understands no real shape. Non-existence is like a shape that understands no mirrors. Illusion is as looking to the mirror to think one is real. Truth is as looking to one's self to feel what truth is. True being cannot be perceived for the perception. For it is without it. The illusion of being can re-member truth. As it is within it. That which is seen to exist seeks only That which makes it feel extant. True existence is not of that which depends But of that which nothing knows of. The nature of existence is the experience of resistance. Without resistance, there is only that which is true. One can only forget that all is the same. Re-member the source of infinity and illusions disappear. Existence is like an ocean. Being is like the summit of each wave. Not resisting itself, it does as it is. It forgets itself, and is more than it is. The truth of oneself is irrelevant. How does truth know otherwise. One cannot help but to already be true. Though one can only perceive illusion. Existence is in formation. Information is being. Being is infinite. Infinity is resisting. Non-existence is free of form. Everything at once. Nothing at all. The unformed is within the source. Everything that exists is illusion. Nothing-in-particular is more true. Everything is nothing is most true. Truth is so real it need not exist. Resistance is fear. Fear of truth is the only fear, That the self would no longer exist. The need to exist is to misunderstand true self. Perception is you reflected without beginning or end. Opposition is as two sides of the same spherical infinity. Expression is how you realise your own understanding. Truth is what is without any perception. True unity is imperceptible. There is nothing relative about it. What relation is there when all things embrace. What fear is there when love is understood. How naked truth is. So vulnerable nothing touches it. So loving nothing hates it. How clothed existence is. What fears one when fears are loved. What fears one when nothing resists. The fear of one creates the separations, And makes illusions into a reality. The fear of unity occupies one With thoughts that seem more real. How real is something that withers. Busying oneself with details keeps one ignorant of the simple truth. One's fears are illusions of what one is. All illusions are desires. All desires are illusions. For one is already everything one can be. For one to exist one remembers the illusion. The source cannot be understood unless one forgets its perception. The truth is perceived when one unperceives. The imperceptible truth is fully remembered when there is nothing. One is all, All is one. One perceives not what one is not. One perceives only what is one. One is not one Since there is only one. One is nothing in particular. One need exist only when one forgets oneself. Love is remembrance Of more of what one truly is. Love for everything is realisation That the source is without specification. Hate is forgetting love. It is love complexified. These things cannot be done. The self is only remembered. Resisting unity, it multiplies. Resisting hate, there is more of it. Remember the self and love is all ready. Forget the self and one is confused. Existence is like knowledge; The more of it you realise, The more truth you have forgotten. What truth is so precise. Everything here Is all resisted. What is now not Is resisted not. Perception is being surrounded by mirrors. Resist the reflection and more are perceived. Re-member the reflection and separations will disappear. Realise you are what you perceive yet more than what can be. The most important thing is endless expression, The continual illustration of remembrance. What you are is the source of existence. Beyond being anything in particular. How do you perceive something to be real If only you know of things through comparison. What is reality or illusion in a sea of questions. How illusory is anything that seems comparable. One reflects itself infinitely. All things are the same. Separations seem as we remember and forget. Go to the source of perceiving to remember what really is. You experience what you re-member. Details how you re-member the one. The whole forgets each detail. The end resists its own truth. One thing exists of infinite illustration. Something is what it does not seem to be. One thing is not itself and not another. Everything seems, for no thing is true. What is understood cannot be Without what is misunderstood. What is created cannot be Without what is uncreated. Something in particular is most forgotten. Nothing in particular is most re-membered. All of nothing in particular. Nothing in particular is all. The only thing truly known Is no thing is truly known. The only thing certain Is no thing is certain. The only thing that truly exists Is that to which existence is irrelevant. The only thing that is true Is that nothing is true, including this. The imperceptible is so basic, Existence is irrelevant to it. When existence is perceived, Existence is not understood. The imperceptible is easy. If it is made more complex, It will confuse ignorance, And simply not exist in it. The perceptible is infinitely divided. It is so desirable to misunderstand. It is frightening to unify things, For everything must become free. The perceptible is infinitely complex. It is so hard to hide the truth. The perceptible is actually imperceptible. Perhaps the greatest illusion of all. One's perception is One's belief of oneself. How long before one believes That what one truly is is imperceptible. When you are the whole universe is. Act and the universe acts with you. Take the universe into consideration all ways. Think of yourself as being everything that is. Where you are the whole universe is. Nothing outside of you, nothing within. The infinite being is as close to your heart As nothing is to something in particular. Anything not perceived is that which is perceived. Nothing need exist outside of perception. Perception is resistance illustrated. Everything resists truth. The illusion of a wheel turning Is the complexification of its central source. Yet the source cannot be perceived. For the source is nowhere specific. The source of resistance is non-resistance. What can resist what knows no resistance. The source of all things is so true It does not do have to do anything. What is small is big as well. Small cannot seem to be unless bigger is bigger. What is big is small as well. Big cannot seem to be unless smaller is smaller. The source cannot perceive itself as being the source. The source is everywhere and nowhere. Being everything yet nothing it does not think itself The source of all that is yet is not. Truth is free of experience. It is free of any event. Truth is free of existence. It is free of any being. The nature of time's pace Is to remember what is forgotten. Remembering one by realising the infinite illustrations. Where is one exactly but nowhere in particular. Remembering here and now Your source is remembered. You are more this loving Than any remembered thing. If you are, You will think yourself not to be. If you are not, You will think yourself to be. If you are an illusion, You will seem to yourself to be real. If you are real, You will seem to yourself to be an illusion. Looking out, infinite illusions are seen. Looking in, basic truth is close to feeling. Truth cannot be explained, Why when you are most true. What is perceived Is only illusion, As what is perceived Is wholly incomplete. One has not to understand existence. One can only remember what one already is. What reason should you perceive something, If no truth of your own is perceived. You must be something that you are not In order to be more of what you truly are. You can only be more of what you truly are By being what you do not think yourself to be. Being is remembering that everything is already. Doing is resisting what naturally tends to be. Being is remembering more of what one really is. Doing is resisting more of what one really is. Existing, It is not that one forgets to remember, But existing, One remembers to forget. Nothing extant is complete. Only nothing completes existence. Without nothing, there is nothing. Nothing is more complete than anything. All things exist as one, at once. Everything can be perceived from anything. Something tries to illustrate nothing. It endlessly tries to illustrate nothing. Everything is perceived As nothing is forgotten. Nothing is remembered As everything perceives. Nothing is the bond that holds all things together. Without nothing, the illusion of things cannot be. All things are illusions that forget what is true. Within nothing there seems to be something. How can one think of everything at once From a changing perception. How can one perceive nothing at once From any perception. One can remember oneself as the source By perceiving freely, By thinking without resistance, And being one self. Everything that exists has the single purpose Of resisting what is true by seeking an endlessness. Remembering the source of existence, The infinite distraction is no longer needed. What makes you feel like you are Makes you forget what you are. What seems to exist from without Is not remembered from within. How can two things exist in an infinite universe. How can anything finite exist in any universe. How can a source exist anywhere. How can something really be the ultimate source. To perceive once your own perception. Is to remember your self as the source of existence. To think once your own thoughts. Is to remember your self as the cause of being. In one perception Is the entire universe. In each moment It is perceived anew. To want is to ignore everything one already is. What one cannot possess is nothing. Everything one perceives is one's already. Nothing can all ways be forgotten. Nothing is easy to forget. Something is easy to remember. Nothing is difficult to remember. Something is difficult to forget. Something that can be attained Is not worth attaining. The illusions exhaust one infinitely. The illusion is not what it seems to be. Remembering your inherent value, There is nothing more valuable. The only thing that can be done Is remember or forget the truth. Nothing is the most difficult to remember, As it requires no effort. Nothing in particular is the most difficult to be, As it requires no action. Creating something is easy, As it only requires forgetting unity. Creating something in particular is easy, As it requires forgetting inherent wholeness. In everything you do, Its opposite you also do. In everything you say, Its opposite you also say. In everything that you feel, Its opposite you also feel. In everything that you are, Its opposite you also are. By one thing, All things are. Everything in one thing. One thing in everything. What does the source of existence matter. Why should anything have a purpose. What would be the purpose of the purpose. Why should the truth be remembered. All things come from the nothing all things really are. The truest thing is the least resistant to everything. The least resistant thing is most the source of existence. The source of existence resists not anything. One can only perceive one's thought. One can only experience one's self. One can only hate what one is. One can only love what one is. Remember one, sixty in one, Thirty in two, twenty in three, Fifteen in four, twelve in five. All things equal in whole and in part. The more basic one is, The less resistant everything is. In simplicity there is more abundance, In complexity there is more resistance. You are more what you are unaware of Than that which you seem to be aware. Something is more of what nothing is Than what something seems most to be. Doing is forgetting That you are. Being is remembering That you are. The more you resist something The more you are already Affected by what you resist, And the more you are of what you resist. What you perceive yourself To be Is what you perceive the imperceptible To be. If any thing was complete in perception, All things would be perceived the same. When any thing is complete in perception, Nothing is misunderstood. You consider your self as you consider others. You love your self as you love others. You remember your self as you remember others. The only the truth is of what you are. When anything is done to the last The same is done to the first. For infinity is where you are; The source is everywhere and nowhere in particular. Everything is the source Of everything. Nothing is the source Of nothing. Everything is nothing specific. Nothing is everything specific. What anything is is nothing. Nothing is what is is not. Only when one is vulnerable Can one be open to the source. Only when one forgets beliefs Can one remember what is true. Think what is not thought. Feel what is not felt. See what is not seen. To understand what is true. We can only really perceive something By perceiving what it seems not to be. We can only really understand something By understanding what it seems not to be. Everything is in the whole Of your perception this moment. Nothing is not what you are. Nothing knows no existence. When the truth is realised It is no longer true. When the imperceptible is perceived It is no longer imperceptible. Nothing is true. Nothing is false. Nothing is perceptible. Nothing is imperceptible. What is perceived is How you remember your self. All things perceived Is you in complete. The only thing that can be seen is nothing. The only thing that can be thought is nothing. The only thing that can be done is nothing. With nothing nothing is done not. Everything perceived Is nothing illustrated. The only perception there is Is the misunderstanding of truth. One perceives not That which perceives not. One perceives only illusion That truth does not remember. Loving another, Another must love. Doing something, Something must do. One does not perceive, But believe that one does. How sleepy perceptions are On dense clouds of illusion. Things only seem different As existence is not wholly perceived. Existence only seems to be real As things seem wholly different. Truth is you without the perception of you. Truth is you without the misunderstanding of you. Illusion is the misunderstanding of truth. Illusion is needed to perceive existence. One remembers the whole of existence As one remembers nothing in particular. One remembers the whole of oneself As one forgets the endless details. To embrace that not you Is to remember yourself. To love that which hates Is to embrace your being. The more something is resisted, The more it will be perceived. All things are the same one. Something cannot be forgotten. Each thing resists What it is truly. What each thing truly is Is nothing in particular. As everything is resisted Nothing is truly resisted. As everything is perceived Nothing is truly perceived. All desires are fears. All fears are desires. Desires know no existence. Existence knows only fear. Whatever one resists, exists. Whatever exists, one resists. Whatever exists not is one all ready. Whatever one resists not needs not exist. Big is small. Small is big. The opposite validates the other's existence. The other's existence validates the opposite. How old is time to itself. How big is space to itself. How you are you to yourself. How infinite is infinity to itself. The perception of nothing Is why perceptions are illusions. Nothing is wholly independent Of the infinite perceptions. All is less than a single thought. One is all ways infinite. Nothing understands it. Something misunderstands it. The less one perceives, The more one remembers oneself. The less one perceives, The more one remembers all to be one. The origin of something Is the perception of something. The truth of something Is that which is not perceived. The more you fear the truth The more you seek to validate your existence. The more you fear your self The more you seek others for your own truths. As the source of existence is forgotten, Its simplicity seems to be complex. As the source of existence is remembered, Its complexity seems to be simple. One seems to exist As one remembers what one really is. As one remembers what one really is, One needs not exist. If the truth of you were perceptible, Perceptions would change not. If the truth of you were imperceptible, You would remember it not. Perceive nothing in particular, And all things are perceived. Remember this the source, And all is remembered. All things are true, Nothing is most true. Perceive something in particular And truth is forgotten. The illusion is perceived. The truth is not perceived. Everything is the illusion. Nothing is the truth. Something cannot ever truly be exact. Something is not what it seems to be. Anything is really nothing in particular. Nothing is really anything in particular. That which does not see for itself is blind yet sees all. That which lives not for itself is immortal yet eternal. That which acts not for itself is nowhere yet everywhere. That which accepts everything is everything yet nothing. To resist is to remember not that one is everything. To desire is to remember not that one already possesses. To act is to remember not all things are all ready. To think is to remember not the thought that is there. By knowing, wanting, thinking, or acting not, The truth is near perception. By acting, thinking, wanting, or knowing, Are illusions near perception. Being is the imperceptible. Being not is the perceptible. All is the imperceptible illusion. Nothing is the perceptible truth. The truth is imperceptible. One is true as one does not realise it. The truth sees nothing in particular. Nothing in particular perceives not truth. Remember the source is complete. Remember the source is true. Remember the source is forgotten. Remember the source is what you are. Everything exists not in completion If not for your complete existence. The more you remember your self, The more complete everything is. For something to be true, Its opposite is also true. For an illusion to be, All things must be illusory. Around every source Everything is found. Within every center The source is nothing. Nothing is extant if it is not. Nothing is true if it is extant. Everything is extant if it is not. Everything is true if it is not. Something is truly Nothing in particular. Nothing is truly Everything that seems. Truth is remembered not When beliefs know perceptions. Illusions are forgotten not When something is perceived. A wheel forgets its source as it turns. Its size makes complex the simplicity. The wheel complexifies itself to try to equal The simplicity of its source that it remembers. The source is so efficient, nothing is done. The source is so simple, nothing is seen. The source is so true, all things seek it. The source is so real, it exists not. A thing remembers and thinks its exists, But non-existence could not forget. A thing forgets to think it exists, And the source remains forever constant. By nothing is anything true. Truth is not what restricts. By nothing is truth anything. Truth is not what resists. For an answer to be perceived, The question must be expressly understood. For the source to be remembered, The perception must be expressly forgotten. Fear is the energy of illusion. Only illusion is perceptible. The nothing of truth is feared. This fear is dependent upon the perception. What seems good Is not really good But is less resisted In that which loves. What seems bad Is not really bad But is more resisted In that which fears. Everything extant must be perceived Before one understands what something is. Everything extant must be experienced Before one understands what is happening. In the source The complexity surrounds us. In the perceptible Nothing is truly found. What is sought Is existence. What is sought not Is non-existence. Perceive others To seem extant. Perceive one self To be extant. Whatever you perceive in another You are also experiencing of you. You are experiencing your self Whenever you perceive an other. Resistance is fearing self. Resistance is illusion. There is nothing to resist. Not resisting is truth. When the outside is forgotten The inside is remembered. All is complex and seems To remember the simple and is. The more non-resistant something is The more existence is understood. The more truth is misunderstood The more resistance seems to be. Non-resistance is nothing. As it does not resist resistance. Resistance is everything. And everything is really nothing. Why is the same thing said And said and said and said. Why is one thing extant And only extant in everything. By opposing You create something to oppose. By resisting You create something to resist. In this way Simple things seem complex, Easy things seem hard, Understandings seem confused. To pursue what you create And not the source of you, Is to pursue illusion And resist your truth. To perceive not something Is everything perceived. To remember the source Is nothing perceived. Truth is ramified not. Everything ramifies its truth. What is illusion is truth forgotten. What is truth is illusion remembered. Nothing is perceived And everything seems to be. Everything is illusion And nothing is existence. The imperceptible is the only truth Of one's existence. Existence, to fear not what truly is The source of one. Bump for this!!! just be love in truth... |
Just Chew User ID: 26011175 Germany 10/21/2012 10:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Are there ways to tell what reality is other than how things resolve. Quite a few, going through the thread here. You can't take a banana for an apple. You can't eat a banana twice. You can't tell every banana is good because of that reality that there are a lot of bad tasting ones. A reality you will find out the way. I insist on this one, is true from the teeth to the other end and can be proofed in each single act and person. |