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Epic Beard Guy User ID: 1079209 United States 10/10/2011 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1549611 United Kingdom 10/10/2011 02:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | not everyone can Home Educate. So many of us have been made slaves by mortgages, loans, bank accounts, credit cards that there are no parents at home. I am lucky in that I work from home.... many aren't so lucky. What we need are more FREE SCHOOLS.... |
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Dr. J.J. User ID: 3026660 United States 10/10/2011 02:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just because a person does not consiously feel a side effect from a ful-shot, it does NOT mean they are not occuring. I just had a continuing education class taught by an immunologist. He stated that flu-shots help build antibodies in a part of the immune system that does not even fight the flu. It is like working out your left arm in a right arm boxing match. He stated that the flu-shot has ZERO positive affect. When an immunologist who does this for a living staes it, it is difficult to argue. If you are too bullheaded to believe these facts, then how about the CDC's own statistics, of the 10's of thousands who present with flu-like symptoms, only 13.4% of these people test positive for the flu. They actually have ILI (Infuenza Like Illness), so why take a proven toxin when there is a 86.6% chance you don't even have the flu, and a 100% chance that the shot doesn't even work? |
Alison User ID: 828421 Canada 10/10/2011 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i dont listen to the numb nuts on the glp since the last.Time they started there crying about the flu shot I have now gotten 2 no side effects. You sound like a bunch of hysterical old ladies . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1388485 In the days before vaccination, most kids didn't live long enough to become adults. Every family expected some of their children to die. It was a sad but accepted fact of life. Today the children live and the parents get all upset when one kid out of 6 million or something like that has a bad reaction to a vaccine. In the past that kid, and many of the other 6 million, would have died anyway. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1461327 Canada 10/10/2011 02:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Today Governor Brown signed into law AB499 which will allow 12 year old children to be vaccinated with out parental knowledge or consent. This currently applies to the Gardasil and Hepatitis B vaccines, but will expand to include ANY new STD vaccine that is brought to market in the future. Quoting: krave well...this sets a new precedent. [link to gov.ca.gov] We can only hope that Californians revolt against this absurd abuse of power of state. Fuck Jerry Brown and the people that fill his pockets. |
MamaHasAwakened User ID: 1515402 United States 10/10/2011 03:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i dont listen to the numb nuts on the glp since the last.Time they started there crying about the flu shot I have now gotten 2 no side effects. You sound like a bunch of hysterical old ladies . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1388485 In the days before vaccination, most kids didn't live long enough to become adults. Every family expected some of their children to die. It was a sad but accepted fact of life. Today the children live and the parents get all upset when one kid out of 6 million or something like that has a bad reaction to a vaccine. In the past that kid, and many of the other 6 million, would have died anyway. The children live all right. What about the 1 out of 150 with autism? |
TOTO User ID: 1461327 Canada 10/10/2011 03:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i dont listen to the numb nuts on the glp since the last.Time they started there crying about the flu shot I have now gotten 2 no side effects. You sound like a bunch of hysterical old ladies . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1388485 In the days before vaccination, most kids didn't live long enough to become adults. Every family expected some of their children to die. It was a sad but accepted fact of life. Today the children live and the parents get all upset when one kid out of 6 million or something like that has a bad reaction to a vaccine. In the past that kid, and many of the other 6 million, would have died anyway. Maybe a little research on subject would help shed some into the truth on this subject. [link to truthaboutgardasil.org] Allison, your not in Kansas anymore!!! Peace |
Dr. J.J. User ID: 3033234 United States 10/10/2011 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i dont listen to the numb nuts on the glp since the last.Time they started there crying about the flu shot I have now gotten 2 no side effects. You sound like a bunch of hysterical old ladies . Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1388485 In the days before vaccination, most kids didn't live long enough to become adults. Every family expected some of their children to die. It was a sad but accepted fact of life. Today the children live and the parents get all upset when one kid out of 6 million or something like that has a bad reaction to a vaccine. In the past that kid, and many of the other 6 million, would have died anyway. Sorry to say Allison, but your statistics are way off base. The human immune syatem is what saves children, not vaccines. Vaccines can work in very a limited scope, only if they were manufactured w/o the extremely dangerous toxins they contain. I am a doctor who studies this stuff, I know. One in six million with an adverse reaction, are you kidding? It is far greater. You will find a skewed study that reports this once in a while, but first you have to know how to read the study. A study will say vaccines have a 100% effective rate at preventing death. When you read the study, ten thousand people were syudied, 5,000 in each group. In the control group, 2 people die, in the test group, 1 person dies. Sure, that is a 100% rate, but look how foolish the real results are. When you read further, you will see that the rest of control group recovered with no side effects, the test group now has several hundred iatrogenic diseases. An iatrogenic disease is a disease created by the treatment for the originol disease. I am very suprised to see you state what you did being from Canada and all. The Canadians we had come to the school I went to were very sharp and know this sort of thing you say is far from the truth. Maybe that's why many of them stayed here to practice, other than they would otherwise get paid a shit wage as a doctor in your socialized healthcars system. The heading of the study is most times a far stretch from the truth to favor the meds. So you have to know hao to read the data before you can speak of its validity. It saddens me to see that you still believe those old medical propaganda stories. What you said is totally false. |
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mopar28m User ID: 2867351 United States 10/10/2011 03:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's time for home schooling! Get your kids out of th hands of the government. The K12 program on-line is great. It got my son out of public schools where he had a serious problem with a teacher. He went from barely passing to straight A's. He loves it! The progam is certified in most states, and is free (at least in my state). They supply all the learning materials. It beats the shit out of public school, and it keeps them safe from government programs. Since it is certified by the state, the school district still counts them, so they don't lose their federal money. That makes the state much easier to get along with, they even supply a local teacher that is connected with the K12 program in case you have questions. Quoting: Epic Beard Guy Just because you homeschool does NOT make you exempt from getting vaccines. Many states still make homeschoolers prove that their children are up to date on their vaccinations. You still need to have your exemptions in place. vaccinefreehealth blogspot com The risk far outweighs any benefit as the risk will vary from child to child. facebook.com/graphixyourway |
Waterbug User ID: 1295673 United States 10/10/2011 03:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And there is a problem with this why? Sorry I didn't know of this website before today and not a member since day one like everyone else. I want a valid answer on this Waterbug. You just happened to find the website in time to reply after I had found that mopar's blogsite has a link to a commercial site which is selling a book on the dangers of vaccines for $19.95. Just a coincidence, I'm sure. |
Dr. J.J. User ID: 3033946 United States 10/10/2011 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And there is a problem with this why? Sorry I didn't know of this website before today and not a member since day one like everyone else. I want a valid answer on this Waterbug. You just happened to find the website in time to reply after I had found that mopar's blogsite has a link to a commercial site which is selling a book on the dangers of vaccines for $19.95. Just a coincidence, I'm sure. I'm glad to inform you that it is a coincidence. I have no idea who mopar28m is, and I ran across this site when google searching for more info on the bullshit I heard passed in California. I am a doctor who passionatly educates people on the dangers of vaccines. I study this stuff. I have not written any book, nor do I have a blog site affiliated with mopar, although mopar has posted solid info, all along the same lines as what you post. I'm just hear adding my 32 cents, and I listed a name of Dr. J.J. not the assigned 3026660 number that they assigned me for that post. You can just call me J.J., I am fine with that. After going back and reading your posts, I am suprised that you are wondering about me in such a comment, your post are very good, and in the same lines as mine. Plus at least I identified myself and not as "anonymous" Sorry for the confusion and raising your suspicions. Just read a few posts and was thrilled to see people who are not brainwashed by big pharma propaganda. Though for a bit before I read you other post that I may have disagreed with you. Sorry too, I am not a libtartd who posts emotions instead of facts. Dr. J.J. |
Waterbug User ID: 1295673 United States 10/10/2011 04:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And there is a problem with this why? Sorry I didn't know of this website before today and not a member since day one like everyone else. I want a valid answer on this Waterbug. You just happened to find the website in time to reply after I had found that mopar's blogsite has a link to a commercial site which is selling a book on the dangers of vaccines for $19.95. Just a coincidence, I'm sure. I'm glad to inform you that it is a coincidence. I have no idea who mopar28m is, and I ran across this site when google searching for more info on the bullshit I heard passed in California. I am a doctor who passionatly educates people on the dangers of vaccines. I study this stuff. I have not written any book, nor do I have a blog site affiliated with mopar, although mopar has posted solid info, all along the same lines as what you post. I'm just hear adding my 32 cents, and I listed a name of Dr. J.J. not the assigned 3026660 number that they assigned me for that post. You can just call me J.J., I am fine with that. After going back and reading your posts, I am suprised that you are wondering about me in such a comment, your post are very good, and in the same lines as mine. Plus at least I identified myself and not as "anonymous" Sorry for the confusion and raising your suspicions. Just read a few posts and was thrilled to see people who are not brainwashed by big pharma propaganda. Though for a bit before I read you other post that I may have disagreed with you. Sorry too, I am not a libtartd who posts emotions instead of facts. Dr. J.J. Thank you for that. I am a rather suspicious person. I try to research any subject before I post. I personally refused to have my daughter vaccinated for this. I believe the general population and the medical establishment would benefit greatly from the separation of profit as a motive for any medical treatment or diagnosis. It is well-known about medical insurance fraud and tax-payer losses due to fraud. The big pharmaceuticals are raping the system, as well. Would you agree? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1246208 United States 10/10/2011 04:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As a native Cali and small business owner this just does it for me. It is obvious the agenda is to bring us down first. They focus alot of energy here because they expext the rest of the country to follow, that is if you want to be cool and trendy. What a mind fuck the world has become. |
Dr. J.J. User ID: 3033946 United States 10/10/2011 04:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would agree completely. Hopeflly on this post I can limit my typing errors and not spell here, "hear". Don't blame you for being suspicious. I wish God gave me the gift of being a great orator, or a literary genius so I could reach the masses with this subject and prevent so much suffering. I agree with you since it is so simple to see that this is money driven. Like I posted earlier, Gardasil was originally designed to prevent 4 of 127 possible HPV infections, but that doesn't sell, so they hit the soft spot in America and lie to the public saying it will prevent cervical cancer in our little girls. Protecting children sells. Those sick bastards should be lined up and injected with triple doses of this stuff, right after you inject their own cocktail in their loved ones to see how they like it. Little girls don't get cervical cancer. Well, you can just read my earlier post to get the rest of that. Wasn't trying to sell a thing, or endorse anything, or even trying to step on anybody's toes. |
Waterbug User ID: 1295673 United States 10/10/2011 04:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I would agree completely. Hopeflly on this post I can limit my typing errors and not spell here, "hear". Don't blame you for being suspicious. I wish God gave me the gift of being a great orator, or a literary genius so I could reach the masses with this subject and prevent so much suffering. I agree with you since it is so simple to see that this is money driven. Like I posted earlier, Gardasil was originally designed to prevent 4 of 127 possible HPV infections, but that doesn't sell, so they hit the soft spot in America and lie to the public saying it will prevent cervical cancer in our little girls. Protecting children sells. Those sick bastards should be lined up and injected with triple doses of this stuff, right after you inject their own cocktail in their loved ones to see how they like it. Little girls don't get cervical cancer. Well, you can just read my earlier post to get the rest of that. Wasn't trying to sell a thing, or endorse anything, or even trying to step on anybody's toes. Quoting: Dr. J.J. 3033946 Once again, thank you and please continue. This is a confusing subject to many. Any insight would be greatly appreciated. |
Dragonslayer User ID: 2849266 United States 10/10/2011 04:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This WON'T fly in middle America. Quoting: Biochemky Even middle America California style won't go for this. You mess with the health of people's kids without their consent and they WILL HUNT YOU DOWN. Goodbye (again) Jerry Brown. You better steal enough to retire on because you ain't getting re-elected. "Make the journey more powerful than the destination"--Pat Tillman "We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm"--George Orwell |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1122898 United States 10/10/2011 04:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Vaccines are junk science with no validity. It's a phony excuse bog pharma to poison you and make money at the same time. Shouldn't something that is "mandatory" have at least a little real value and usefulness? Apparently not. Jerry Brown has always been a shithead. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1122898 You obviously aren't old enough to remember Polio. You should keep your mouth shut about things you know nothing about, cause when you open your piehole it removes all doubt that you are a retard. Incorrect schmuck. Polio spiked up drastically after they started peddling their toxic "polio vaccine". Polio was already massively on the decline BEFORE the introduction of the phony vaccine. Do your research, then get a cat scan to confirm your SEVERE BRAIN DAMAGE. Let me guess, you believe MSM and think Bin Laden attacked us on 9-11, right? Gullible fool, keep lapping up the media propaganda. Idiot. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1122898 United States 10/10/2011 05:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You stick my kid with a needle without my permission And ill blow your head off Bravo! That's and exactly what every parents (or anyone whith ANY common sense) should say. How can these maniacs think they can stick some shady injection into your child without parental consent. Especially when all vaccines have such AN OBVIOUSLY TERRIBLE track record of being not only completely ineffective and blatantly dangerous. Every person I know that never gets the flu, then gets a flu vaccine, GETS THE DAMN FLU AFTER THEY GET THE FLU VACCINE! What does that tell you?!? It's madness. |
Searchalot User ID: 1289575 Netherlands 10/10/2011 05:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Polio was a medical oddity that baffled researchers for years. It was first recorded in 1835 and grew steadily more prevalent. It took a long time to learn that the virus was transmitted by fecal matter and secretions of the nose and throat. It entered the victim orally, established itself in the intestines, and then traveled to the brain or spinal cord.[13] Quoting: Waterbug At the start of the 20th century, during the 1914 and 1919 polio epidemics in the U.S., physicians and nurses made house-to-house searches to identify all infected persons. Children suspected of being infected were taken to hospitals and the child's family was quarantined until they were no longer potentially infectious, even if it meant they could not go to their child's funeral if the child died in the hospital.[14] There are many famous polio victims, most of whom were able to overcome their disabilities, while others were less fortunate: Itzhak Perlman, one of the world's finest violinists, was permanently disabled at age four, and still plays sitting down; actor Donald Sutherland; writer Arthur C. Clarke; writer Robert Anton Wilson; actress Mia Farrow;[15] singer-musician Neil Young; Olympic dressage rider Lis Hartel; actor Alan Alda; musician David Sanborn; singer Dinah Shore; singer Joni Mitchell; former Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas; director Francis Ford Coppola; nuclear physicist J. Robert Oppenheimer; actor Lionel Barrymore;[16] and Congressman James H. Scheuer.[17] As the fear of polio increased each year, funds to combat it increased from $1.8 million to $67 million by 1955. Research continued during those years, but, writes O'Neill, "everything scientists believed about polio at first was wrong, leading them down many blind alleys... furthermore, most researchers were experimenting with highly dangerous live vaccines. In one test six children were killed and three left crippled."[13] "This was the situation when young Jonas Salk, a medical doctor in charge of a virology laboratory at the University of Pittsburgh, decided to use the safer killed virus", writes O'Neill. Despite a general lack of enthusiasm for this approach, O'Connor backed Salk handsomely. After successful tests on laboratory animals, it next had to be tested on human beings. "Who would take the risk?" author Dennis Denenberg asked. "Dr. Jonas Salk did ... along with his wife and children, who also allowed themselves to be human guinea pigs."[19] In November, 1953, at a conference in New York's Waldorf-Astoria Hotel, he said, "I will be personally responsible for the vaccine." He announced that his wife and three sons had been among the first volunteers to be inoculated with his vaccine.[20] [link to en.wikipedia.org] Maybe, if the heads of the pharm. companies and their families did like jonas and his family and tested the drugs they want to give us themselves, we could feel more secure in taking them. I think that is a fair demand and should be entered into law immediately. If this group of posters had been around during the polio epidemic__ I guess polio would still be around..... That's funny. A anonymous coward saying a registered and paying member is a shill. Not real bright, are you? If I'm a shill, it's to end nuclear. I'll own that. As for your accusation, pfft. I went to school with many victims of polio. This is not about the polio vaccine. I'm not your enemy, you are... © 2004, Maus E. Only your thoughts create your world. © 2015 Maus E. Learning is knowing you learn nothing when you know. © 2016 Maus E. |
Waterbug User ID: 1295673 United States 10/10/2011 05:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Polio was a medical oddity that baffled researchers for years. It was first recorded in 1835 and grew steadily more prevalent. It took a long time to learn that the virus was transmitted by fecal matter and secretions of the nose and throat. It entered the victim orally, established itself in the intestines, and then traveled to the brain or spinal cord.[13] Quoting: Waterbug At the start of the 20th century, during the 1914 and 1919 polio epidemics in the U.S., physicians and nurses made house-to-house searches to identify all infected persons. Children suspected of being infected were taken to hospitals and the child's family was quarantined until they were no longer potentially infectious, even if it meant they could not go to their child's funeral if the child died in the hospital.[14] There are many famous polio victims, most of whom were able to overcome their disabilities, while others were less fortunate: Itzhak Perlman, one of the world's finest violinists, was permanently disabled at age four, and still plays sitting down; actor Donald Sutherland; writer Arthur C. Clarke; writer Robert Anton Wilson; actress Mia Farrow;[15] singer-musician Neil Young; Olympic dressage rider Lis Hartel; actor Alan Alda; musician David Sanborn; singer Dinah Shore; singer Joni Mitchell; former Supreme Court Justice William O. Douglas; director Francis Ford Coppola; nuclear physicist J. Robert Oppenheimer; actor Lionel Barrymore;[16] and Congressman James H. Scheuer.[17] As the fear of polio increased each year, funds to combat it increased from $1.8 million to $67 million by 1955. Research continued during those years, but, writes O'Neill, "everything scientists believed about polio at first was wrong, leading them down many blind alleys... furthermore, most researchers were experimenting with highly dangerous live vaccines. In one test six children were killed and three left crippled."[13] "This was the situation when young Jonas Salk, a medical doctor in charge of a virology laboratory at the University of Pittsburgh, decided to use the safer killed virus", writes O'Neill. Despite a general lack of enthusiasm for this approach, O'Connor backed Salk handsomely. After successful tests on laboratory animals, it next had to be tested on human beings. "Who would take the risk?" author Dennis Denenberg asked. "Dr. Jonas Salk did ... along with his wife and children, who also allowed themselves to be human guinea pigs."[19] In November, 1953, at a conference in New York's Waldorf-Astoria Hotel, he said, "I will be personally responsible for the vaccine." He announced that his wife and three sons had been among the first volunteers to be inoculated with his vaccine.[20] [link to en.wikipedia.org] Maybe, if the heads of the pharm. companies and their families did like jonas and his family and tested the drugs they want to give us themselves, we could feel more secure in taking them. I think that is a fair demand and should be entered into law immediately. If this group of posters had been around during the polio epidemic__ I guess polio would still be around..... That's funny. A anonymous coward saying a registered and paying member is a shill. Not real bright, are you? If I'm a shill, it's to end nuclear. I'll own that. As for your accusation, pfft. I went to school with many victims of polio. This is not about the polio vaccine. Never said it was. I was making a point that the vaccine providers should offer to test them on themselves and their families as Jonas Salk did. You'll see from a previous post that I refused to let my daughter get this recent vaccine. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1118312 United States 10/10/2011 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Time to wake up America. The real terrorists are big business and dirty politicians. Big pharma and the banks are all part of the same system, and somehow they convinced many Americans that Muslims and "communists" (whatever that means) are the problem. If people really knew what they are putting in our food air and water, people would finally get serious. |
Searchalot User ID: 1289575 Netherlands 10/10/2011 05:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That's funny. A anonymous coward saying a registered and paying member is a shill. Not real bright, are you? If I'm a shill, it's to end nuclear. I'll own that. As for your accusation, pfft. I went to school with many victims of polio. This is not about the polio vaccine. Never said it was. I was making a point that the vaccine providers should offer to test them on themselves and their families as Jonas Salk did. You'll see from a previous post that I refused to let my daughter get this recent vaccine. I've read that. I didn't let them vaccinate both my kids either. Just sayin'. I'm not your enemy, you are... © 2004, Maus E. Only your thoughts create your world. © 2015 Maus E. Learning is knowing you learn nothing when you know. © 2016 Maus E. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 2950729 United States 10/10/2011 06:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Vaccines are junk science with no validity. It's a phony excuse bog pharma to poison you and make money at the same time. Shouldn't something that is "mandatory" have at least a little real value and usefulness? Apparently not. Jerry Brown has always been a shithead. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1122898 You obviously aren't old enough to remember Polio. You should keep your mouth shut about things you know nothing about, cause when you open your piehole it removes all doubt that you are a retard. lol Polio is the biggest fraud vaccine of them all. the credit for polio eradication was given to a vaccine when it was blatantly obvious that the credit should go to improved cleaning and sewer systems in America. [link to www.rense.com] why are so many of you so gullible and believing of the propaganda and lies that come from Big Medicine/Big Pharma/Big Agra? LOL...there you go opening your mouth removing all doubt.... |