Why don't you do the math before you tell these kids to not borrow money-- or get a job!

The only time you should talk about giving to charity is in the context of hopefully encouraging others to do the same.... In this context above, you're more worried about defending your reputation.... It's self-serving......

Oh please, yes "Rush" is my master

I agree

No it wasn't wrong. With everyone telling their story, why not tell yours? Especially when you've been confronted. Nothing wrong with saying you worked hard enough to earn enough to help others. Helping others is important. You shouldn't be sorry for saying it.

Do you honestly think that ANY AMOUNT of yelling on Wall Street, or living like filthy dogs in the park, will have ANY effect on corporate interests?

Seriously????

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What in your mind is "doing something about it"? They are already exercising their right to protest. See another legal way they could "do something"? I mean, what would you suggest, riots... terrorism? That's pretty illegal and would send the wrong message anyways.

No, I'm afraid that they are doing all that can be done right now. Getting their voices HEARD. Bringing these issues into the public light. Their voices of dissent are no longer just hidden away on conspiracy forums, they are now all over the 10 o'clock news. It's gotta start somewhere.

Even if they are whining about the wrong stuff, it'll get people thinking. This will cause some of the other struggling sheeple to wake up a bit, do some digging, and find more. The movement is just starting. Like a pebbles before an avalanche.

Agreed... Reminds me of hearing someone tell a racist joke and then try to convince you that it's not really racist because they have black friends.... No amount of charitable donations is an excuse for close-mindedness.... I pride myself in trying to relate to people and trying to place myself in their shoes so I can hopefully understand a different perspective, and I am finding it hard to digest all these self-serving opinions with little to no regard for the opinions of other elements of the population.... The same individuals also seem to be quite fond of stereotypes and generalizations... Asking others who they voted for so they can lump them into these stereotypes.... Implying all college aged kids are lazy and unwilling to face hardships, etc...

They are asking for a fix or something to be done.

We are fucked. I don't agree with some of there ideas, but at least they are trying.

My whole point of the first post was to introduce some logic into some of these people posting this "Get a job" crap and "Don't borrow money" crap.

This website and some members are on a mission to make everyone who doesn't have a job or is in debt look like a bum.

That is complete bullshit.

The people protesting come from all different walks of life and have all different views on how to fix this shit.

But the focus has been on only a few trying to discredit the whole thing.

You say they need to shut up and take it in the ass. Because if they don't we might see martial law or something like that, and like I said at least they are trying and not scared.

Martial law is only scary when you have much to lose and are scared to fight back. Once again the loudest people against this movement have A LOT TO LOSE--MONEY WISE.

In case you didn't pick up on the semantics, she was being SARCASTIC in her reply... But don't let that interrupt you acting as her side-kick.

It sounds like you have a budget and run numbers. What is your monthly grocery bill and how many does it feed? Could you do it on less, if you were a single person? I am single and don't spent anywhere near $400 a month on food.

I don't eat out and bought a $40 5 cft freezer that I put my chicken breasts in when I find them for under $2 a lb. I have 1400 square feet in Central California and in heat of the summer, my electricity never ran over $60. (a trailer, to boot) I open all my windows when the temperature drops below 60 at night and close them up when I get up and it might get to 80 inside by 4:00...then I sweat a little. It's worth it! I have work clothes, I wear my pants all week, my shirts once. I have home clothes...I'll wear 3-4 days. I don't go to the movies but once a year for something like Harry Potter or Avitar, where I know the sound or video is too great a difference...Netflix streaming, only, cable is $18 basic.

I had mega student loans (went to a private university) and lived in a studio apt in the slums of SF. It took me 6 years of living off of the air I breathed to get them paid off. After that, I sold my car and moved to Europe for a year. I lived there on $400 a month, then I came back and got my teaching credential, no loans but worked half time at a bank and I got a fellowship with the college as an adjunct teacher. Then I got into the house fixer-upper thing because starting teacher saleries are a joke....fixed up 5 houses in 25 years. I always had rommies, so it paid part of the mortgage (two of my former roomies now make 3x what I make as a teacher after 25 years)...and if you've read my posts...all of that is now gone, ty Barney Franks and his queen ass (I can say that since I'm gay) twink boyfriend at Fannie Mae...so living like I did back in my early 20's, again. I told myself I could do it, so I am doing it, once again. Having no family helps but it still is doable. I could have a wife and two kids live here with me, still at $560 a month.

I live on about $1300 a month total, any extra of that going into silver. The rest is going in a 403b. Since I'm over 50, I can put more in. It's in mining/precious metal fund, TiPs and Balanced funds....I know I'm going to loose a third of it, depending what happens...just not happy about it but I can't do it any other way. So...middle class income, since I'm single...and I'm sucking it up and relying on this website for education and entertainment. Those OWS babies need to stop whinning! The Dream is dead. AND if they educate themselves, it's a good thing, too. We were WAY too high on the hog. I don't want a McMansion. Been there, done that. Since I walked away, no debt, no big house to clean or yard to manicure. I feel like I am on vacation!

Oh, I'm going to sell my veggies out of my garden next year to friends. Veggies are not mowing a lawn. If I do something and it's productive, I love doing it. I've posted pictures all summer and they all want them. No chemical fertilizer or insecticides...only by word of mouth, though. Not getting caught up in that Gov. sh*t. It might let me buy a couple more ounces of silver a month.

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How rich. You are going to have to expand on this one. Getting their voices heard? Are you kidding? What message are they sending? I've seen too many to remember and they're all different. They have no point.

Bringing issues into the light? What issues? The only issues they're making public are their own individual mental disorders. They have "issues" alright. They have some sick-ass Freudian need to crawl back into their mommy's womb and reconnect the umbilical - which is made all the more sicko considering most of them probably support abortion. But since that's not possible so they want to crawl into government's womb.

But see, the thing is that they're asking for something that TPTB want them to ask for.

They've fallen into the trap.

ONCE AGAIN!



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I wasn't being sarcastic. I was being honest. I don't know why I bother.

Directly? Certainly not... Indirectly? Yes.... It's about creating a change in consciousness.... Changing the way people think about things... This materialistic and self-serving way of living we have been groomed into, it's detrimental to the well-being of society.... It's quickly approaching a breaking point...

I assume you understand what I'm talking about when I say a "change in consciousness"... If you don't understand what it means in the context of the current subject matter, just think back on your own life and how your attitude and opinions about life have changed, from your adolescence to adulthood, and so on as you've gotten older.... Surely you can look back and see how you no longer operate with a certain framework of thinking, and how you've abandoned certain ways of thinking that you utilized in the past...

I don't think it was sarcastic. And I won't let it stop me from defending someone who is being attacked for what you perceive as having more. Sad that you think that is being a side kick.

You too, have much to give. Everyone does. Things even more important than money. Support, encouragement, kindness, respect, volunteering, sharing, listening, being there. All of them are important and if you're the recipient of them, you'll value it more than money.

How misinformed are you?

Corporations and government are synonymous.

The OWSers aren't changing shit. They're just a carnival of miscreants. We'll see how dedicated they are when the snow starts falling.

Then why are the OWSers supporting 0bama?

It was completely sarcastic... Do you honestly believe she was apologizing to me and sincerely sorry about her post? Get with the program.... The only thing that's sad is your belief that individuals debating with her are somehow jealous or envious of that person... We're arguing about the subject matter... You have no clue how well off or poorly off anyone posting in this thread really is, because that information is not readily available to you through the internet or from trying to draw conclusions from some message board posts... So I'd advise a little bit of caution before drawing inferences as to what any particular person's motivations are...

The thing that makes me the most sick is that they have had their rights trampled on, stolen....but they haven't articulated THAT. Aren't their any unemployed lawyers in the crowd?

Plenty of laws have been broken, but they are so clueless as NOT to know which ones!

Instead of complaining about what you don't have...how about making a list of what has been stolen from you?

It was NOT sarcastic. I am sorry. I think I'm done with this site and you people. I and my saviour know who I am and that's really all that matters to me. To my friends, here, bye.

That's wise. Maybe you, too, could heed your words and follow them, instead of telling others to follow them.

Are they? Or is that just how it's being spinned? Some of them may be... others are not. I do believe that the Obama admin is trying to hijack this movement like the repubs hijacked the tea party. Of course that's how they are going to want you to see the protesters. Of course they are going to interview every yokel idiot so the media can say "see!!??! see these idiots, we shouldn't listen, they are IDIOTS." The media has TONS to lose if people actually start waking up.

Understand completely, but think it over first, ok?

Then I guess that makes you the pot calling the kettle black?

Looks like your work here is done since your hero just exited the party.

And they get to fight all of Obama's wars!!!!!

The media has already been exposed for the whores they are. Or, haven't you noticed how many people are NOT watching and reading anymore?