Why don't you do the math before you tell these kids to not borrow money-- or get a job!

Right here with the A Cowards.



Working and living within your means will get you somewhere other than the shithole every whinging little wanker on here says they are in.





Actually it is. I have done it with several differing sites and sold those. I am working on others now and am partnered in 2 ventures.

So yes it is easy if you put forth the same effort you would have put into the complaining you are doing on here.



It works. Don't hate on someone because you refuse to put an effort into doing the exact same thing or something better.

Ohh wait a minute. I forgot that this is the pity me parade in here.



If you choose to call them that then so be it. I did not. Nice try at that failed argument.

Why is there poverty in america? Same reason there is poverty across the globe.

Why are people struggling to pay bills? Could it be due to the fact they may well be living beyond their means? I am sure that an xbox, BluRay, the newest $200 shoes, the $100 jeans, and countless luxury items are a requirement to live. Just as is the junk food from Macca, Burger King, Chicken Express, Popeyes chicken, Sodas, chippies, candies, and other non essential conveniences are needed.

Fashion, getting your food in 3 minutes or less and keeping up with the Jones' is the name of the game.

Security and luxury is just that. Nothing more nothing less. They are something that you have to create yourself. they are not something that you are entitled to. They are not something that you are given when you are born. These are things that you get when you put forth the effort in life. many people have forgone luxuries and security to go forward in life so that they can have these later in life.

Novel concept.



Yes, I live in Dallas when I am not in Lorne. I was in Dallas from May until 2 weeks ago with the triple digits. What is your point? That AC is a requirement to live life? I am sure that those who explored the southwestern states of America back before air conditioning sure did lived without AC....wait....they did not have it. Ohh my I am sure they bitched about it and whinged like a little prat every day of their lives saying how they should be given this by the new founded country when it was not even in existence.

So once again I stand by those words. AC is not a god given right nor is not a requirement to live.



Reality hurts for you I can see. The truth is the truth. Deny the facts and it clearly shows how pathetic your point is.

The point is they were able to do it. Human beings have done it for centuries prior to the all luxury inventions everyone now "relies" on and cries that they are entitled too.



Keep sighing. It is all you have left. I have no need to write a book nor get a tv or radio show. I am only speaking the truth.

I will say this. I know plenty that have it far worse than you expound on and they have yet to cry as much as you have in this post alone. They started two new businesses and run it out of their singlewide. They dont have AC, dont have a TV and live in the middle of BFE west of Weatherford TX. They did and do what it takes to put food on their kids plates and they have not taken a hand out from anyone, including me. I offered to put them up in our house in texas while we are in Australia. They refused. Be it pride or whatever.

So go attend your pity party and cry with others that think like you. You are the ones that refuse to understand that the luxuries you want are not given rights or required to live. They are earned by hard work, making enough to afford those luxuries and enjoying them.

So stop hating on those that understand how much opportunity there is in America. It is not our fault you refuse to make a sacrifice to be better off later.

Keep sighing. It is all you have left. I have no need to write a book nor get a tv or radio show. I am only speaking the truth.

I will say this. I know plenty that have it far worse than you expound on and they have yet to cry as much as you have in this post alone. They started two new businesses and run it out of their singlewide. They dont have AC, dont have a TV and live in the middle of BFE west of Weatherford TX. They did and do what it takes to put food on their kids plates and they have not taken a hand out from anyone, including me. I offered to put them up in our house in texas while we are in Australia. They refused. Be it pride or whatever.

So go attend your pity party and cry with others that think like you. You are the ones that refuse to understand that the luxuries you want are not given rights or required to live. They are earned by hard work, making enough to afford those luxuries and enjoying them.

So stop hating on those that understand how much opportunity there is in America. It is not our fault you refuse to make a sacrifice to be better off later.


Many nuggets of wisdom in this post. Even though it isn't separating quotes. Sorry 'bout that, Crazy One. Tried 3 times to correct it and it just won't work.

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No worries on the quoting Nine's. Thanks

The Crazy One...

Thanks for your understanding.

God help what is left of this country.

Good for the people still busting their ass, god knows I am too.

But I am not whinning.

I am telling you something is very wrong with our great country, so wake the fuck up please.


If someone steals your car or money. Your idea is you must TAKE IT AND NOT SAY NOTHING CAUSE YOU ARE A COWARD.

I am going to tell everyone someone stole it and whoop the shit out of whoever it was. It is not whinning.

It is what is right and what is wrong and if you can't see that then you are truly lost.

If our fathers of this country had your ideas we would all be british.

("It is not fair what the british are doing, but life is not fair) You still have plenty of money and opportunities George Washington.")

Grow a pair PEOPLE

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Thanks for that.
Good to see there are some Americans not prepared to just bend over and take it.

That I can agree with. Too many people with the entitlement thoughts running around whinging about how bad they have it. There still is opportunity out there if you go and try.



I have followed what you have said on here. Some can be considered whinging in their eyes. Not everyone is going to agree with what you have to say.

There has been many wrongs and making the changes to get it right will take effort on the part of many, but the OWS people are not doing it right. IMO.



I am awake. That is why I am doing what I have to to survive and make sure that I have something to fall back on. No one should be sitting around hoping for hand outs or the likes. I am not saying you are so dont take it that way.

It is just a fact that some people expect that they should not have to work more than 8 hours in a day to scratch a living. some can do it and get away with it. Good on them. Some can not and do not try to find a way to get out of these holes they are in. BUT it is not my job or the job of others to bail them out, when they have things they can live without to better their situation.



that is the mentality of some. That is some of what has brought down this nation. The weak kneed will always be that way until they finally are stomped on enough to stand up and not take it anymore...there are those of course that will not and continue to take it.

Again these are the people that will continue to bleed the current system for what it has and complain about it constantly.



No it is not whinging. More people need to do that, but this does not mean that the system in place is flawed per say.

The current state of this country is farked. Plain and simple, but it was not corporation x or whomever that stole it. It is the mentality of those that were stolen from who allow it to happen.

The country will not grow as a whole with such division. It is TPTB that induce this strife amongst the populace and bring forth the class warfare. They want you to believe that it is the lower classes of the upper class group that is the problem when it is not. It is they who are the controllers that cause this issue and nothing more.

Take the focus off of them whilst they rob from everyone. The perfect example is JPM and their play to get WAMU. They had a chance to buy WAMU for $8/share (fair price at the time) but they turned it down. They got insider info from plants they had within WAMU to see where they stood. They had friends in the guberment that were buddies of Dimon. They had the Fed cause a run on the bank to drive it close to insolvency and then had the FDIC do an unprecedented move of a Thursday bank closure for a 1 bidder auction of the estate for 2cents on the dollar. All the while JPM took the handout from the guberment. your tax dollars paid for JPMs take over of WAMU and it did not theoretically cost them anything.

That is what everyone should be up in arms about. The blatant stealing, yet everyone is more worried about how many shoes they have, how many pounds the winner of the Biggest Loser lost, how their footy team is doing...etc...etc.

The OWS pity party is not shedding any light on this. They are doing thing but unorganized protesting of everything. If that is standing up then please....let me be one of the many to say they are retards.


Again what is right and what is wrong?

Getting AC, having a car valued better than 18k, making sure you can buy a big mac fulled with hormones and chemicals for a few bucks????



Not sure who this is directed too.



Some of us have. Many of us have gotten away from the debt controllers by working hard and making sacrifices that meant living out of a car in the middle of a Texas summer for 8 months. Many of us went without to have the things we have now just so we could be detached from the system as much as possible. Yes, I have a CC for emergencies, yes I have bank accounts, yes I do pay property taxes, but that is part of doing business and living in this world run by TPTB.

Some of us could bitch about having to pay property taxes to fund schools. Especially those that do-not have children or home school their children. It happens, does it mean that we are not doing what it takes to better ourselves and securing our childrens futures? No. We focus on the tasks at hand to better our lives and our families lives making sure we make more than enough to cover these costs and put enough to the side in forms of preps, barterable goods and metals.

I find it odd that someone from a 3rd world country will scrip and save, eating what they can find to save money to go to America legally to live and yet does not bitch, moan or complain about how degrading their living conditions were and in some cases are when they get here. The continue to do what it takes to better their lives and their families lives, yet there are Americans that will complain if their electricity goes out for more than 5 minutes simply because it interrupted Judge Judy.

Odd how when those that have luxuries are the first to complain about how they have to give them up to live and those that have not are the first to go take 3 jobs or more to make sure they can get them. (Not saying you are one of those, just making the statement)

makes you look at things a little differently when you see this happening.

BTW. Most these "injustices" are happening globally not just in America.

I'm a Texan and this AC is absolutely right about buses and bikes in the wide open spaces like Texas.

Also, I agree that those wages in no way allow a person to live comfortably and independently and have any degree of luxury or entertainment, hobbies, etc.

Maybe you should learn proper grammar before criticizing others - but it's up to you, you are not entitled to an education!

You want to live in a place like VA, go ahead.

No way is buying a house like that one a solution for anyone having money problems. Did you stop to think for one second about all the costs involved in either repairing or maintaining a place like that? There is no telling how many structural and other problems there are in an older house like that and the idea that a $25 K house is going to be nothing more than a "simple roof" is ridiculous.

Well that explains the bitterness and arrogance in all your posts. Most people in the older age groups are just out of touch with reality.

You must live in a ghetto.

10 - 20 dollars a week for food??!! Are you joking????

I would NEVER take seriously the "advice" or "wisdom" from someone so utterly STUPID enough to buy goddamn cigarettes. Talk about a waste of money!

SO TRUE.

Right on!

Tell that to:

Mortgage company/landlord
Auto finance company/bank
Electric company
Water department
Gas company
Phone service
Grocer
Insurance company
Gasoline suppliers

Ok dude.

I give up, lol.

You are right. All protestors are spoiled bums who should be thankful the corporations give them so much. Just like the video you support in the pinned thread says.

You mentions the TPTB but then who do you think the TPTB are. They control the money which gives them their power, aka corporations.

This means they have a monopoly on ALL aspects of life in America, Food, Medical, Shelter, Protection, etc. This is NOT CAPITALISM!!!!

THIS IS SLAVERY PERIOD.

My god please read history. This prick in the video that is pinned ( Thread: A message to the youth (OWS) My sentiments exactly, perfect, message out and DONE!

Entitlements is what has killed every great empire.

Bullshit

Greed is what has killed every great empire.
According to Edgar Cayce, greed is what even took down the legendary atlantis.


You say these protesters are doing nothing. No you are wrong. They are exercising their rights, which we barely still have.

People pulled the Boston TEA Party over tax on tea by a corporation!!! East India Trade Company

People I'm sure in that day thought that was pretty stupid to be UPSET over tea.

I bet you heard a lot of "back in my day, we didn't have tea. Hell, we had to walk sixty miles for water. Damn spoiled you kids"

This action sparked OUR GREAT COUNTRY!!!!

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I didn't bother to quote the remainder of your long and POINTLESS post.

You sir, are a derfwad.

You understand NOTHING about finances in 2011, nor do you understand the point of this thread.

BigNutChuck, I posted many times on this thread and just picked back up with it . . . your points are valid, all of them.

But the degree of obtuseness by some posters here is outrageous! Mostly over 60, I'd venture to guess, except for texgirl who identified herself as being 45 - they just don't get it, they seem out of touch with reality.

So we should all be grateful for a yearly salary of $10K (because it would be a luxury to some damn third-world country), and if we want to live comfortably, to feel secure with jobs and finances, and to be able to indulge in a little pleasure or luxury here and there, and if we are pissed off at how this supposedly powerful nation has screwed over its own citizens - we are nothing but a bunch of pansy whiners.

Outrageous.

So that somehow makes you a smarter person?



And well we SHOULD!!!!!



Most of them come to America and trash it the same way they did their own damn countries.



Uh, that's because most of the have nots don't have educations or qualifications to BE wealthy, so they have to take multiple, LOW PAYING jobs just to float!

Thank You

Well, this is taking this thread a bit off-topic, which I don't mean to do . . . BUT . . . since this has been broached:

Let's examine the idea of EVERY person in America being GIVEN a home, food, and clothing.

Would that not better support the foundation of people, thus giving them the impetus to work harder and do better - BECAUSE they would be relieved of the burden and fears associated with having to get the basics?

If people have to worry about the basics, it distracts them from doing other things they need to do, they become less productive in everything.

So think about this: Do the research and look at how much money - the OBSCENE amount of money we GIVE to other countries!

Yes . . . WE - AMERICANS - GIVE MONEY TO THOSE COUNTRIES.

Then figure how far those monies would stretch across this country annually and what it would do for American CITIZENS!

All you who rant and rave about how wrong it is to guaranteee housing and educations and health care to all citizens in America probably NEVER balk about those obscene amounts this nation doles out to other countries, including many countries who will NEVER do better on their own, NEVER solve their own problems, but rely on handouts from . . . America.

This is a very good point. Handouts in the trillions to other countries for their people to have entitlements is OK and good capitalism.

Handouts to corporations that should have failed under capitalism is A OK,

Handouts to illegal foreign people in this country, and to legal foreign people is A OK, but

Handouts for Americans getting a education, or losing their jobs, etc, Yep that can't happen cause they must earn it.

Fucking stupid. With all the money these corrupt bastards have given out in the last 2 years you could have paid every American's debt to zero and still had enough left over to fund FREE HEALTH CARE FOR THE NEXT 20 YEARS.

This is our wealth they are stealing, but it is ok because they think it is still capitalism.

Precisely BNC, be interesting for some of the posters who have so harshly criticized your thread and our posts would have to say about this.

Imo, there is simply NO way they could make their claims about the so-called whiners AND support that kind of obscene capitalism.

This thread got to be so long I only got to this page now.

This post above reminds me of another reason there is so much trouble with people being out of work: people having to work longer hours or have multiple jobs. Naturally, the more hours someone works is eliminating the need for another employee, causing higher unemployment.

Any thoughts on this matter?

I did the math, so I got a job and didn't borrow any money that I couldn't repay.

Where have I posted in that thread stating I support anything about it. Clearly you like to make shit up as you go along to make yourself feel better in you stance and hope others can fall for your ignorance too.



Here is a clue. NOT all corporations are owned by TPTB. I know several people that are incorporated and have larger businesses that provide services to many and yet they are not the money brokers. they are not the power brokers you want to label every damn person who owns such things as. But alas, failed theories for a failed stance.



How is it slavery when you have the ability to grow your own food...wait...you have to buy seeds from someone so it is slavery then.

grow the hell up guy.



Actually complacency killed most great empires..that and the thoughts of being more powerful than they really were.



I can also state that it was ignorance that took down atlantis. the problem with that is that we do not have proof of such a civilization other than the hearsay of others. Until we have tangible proof using them as an example and someones theory of them is fruitless in such an argument.



Exercising their right to protest. Great. An un-organized protest filled with people that want to have sex with animals as their main theme, and others protesting how it is unfair to have to get a job, and others protesting how they have to pay their college bills now, and yet others protesting how the fed is so wrong. There is no organization to any of this. Yet, I will give you that they are exercising their rights to protest, be it in a confused way.



yes, great you know your history.



I am sure it was. Point being...wait...a useless old age crack coming up.



Yep, the best you got is this. typical to resort to name calling and the likes when all you got is whinging like you are doing.

So you have now proven to us that you think the ows people are great. So this means you are in line with EVERYTHING they are supporting.

that includes the sub culture groups of ...

1. Sex with animals
2. pedophilia is just Homosexual tendencies
3. Aliens control the media

Shall I go on? No need. If the OWS was such a great thing then by all means they would have a better plan of attack on this not just gangs of people complaining about everything and anything.

But I digress.

Last Edited by The Crazy One on 10/19/2011 07:20 AM

Wow, because he agrees OWS has is exercising their right to protest, he supports them and thinks they are great? I can't even follow that logic...it's just so stupid... it's just... just...so....

no ghetto

10 - 20 a week on food. Yes. Tuna fish. a loaf of bread. a carton of eggs. a few cans of soup and some vegetables. maybe some sandwich meat.

You can get two meals out of a can of tuna fish or a can of campbells soup and make sandwiches with one slice of bread.

I lived like this with my work hours cut back to part time, supporting a friend who was homeless without a job or money and staying at my place. Sometimes we'd go for days at a time with nothing to eat but some spinach and carrots. This was one of the best times of my life as I wasn't working that much and had plenty of time to walk around and enjoy the life I made for myself

starving makes you feel alive. You're miserable cause your so detached from the things that sustain life. Hard to appreciate water when Dr. Pepper has 40 flavors

y'all are the slaves. Trying to put the responsibility for your very survival into someone elses hands. Beggars cant be choosers. so I hope you dont end up complaining when the government provides you with a free house wherever they decide you should be living. With whoever they think you should be living with. When they provide you with a job doing whatever they tell you to do for a price they set. When they provide you with a free education and teach you whatever they want you to know (they already do that). When they put you on (free!) drugs for whatever they decide is wrong with you

Right now, I have the freedom to be poor. Right now I have the freedom to be homeless (sorta). I could work 10 hours a week and live in a van if I wanted to. The future you want doesn't provide for that. The future you want is a boot stamping on a human face forever and I dont want any part of that. Fuck your protests

what happens with these movements? Womens liberation put the other half of the population to work and put their children in daycares and schools. What part of that is liberation?

Actually, if you read what he is so inclined to accuse others and myself of then I am just playing the same game he wants to play in here. Sweeping accusations based on ignorance deserves the same disrespect that is given.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander.