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Over 400 Scientists Convinced by New Scientific Evidence That Darwinian Evolution is Deficient

 
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Over 400 Scientists Convinced by New Scientific Evidence That Darwinian Evolution is Deficient
More than 400 scientists have signed onto a growing list from all disciplines who are “skeptical of claims for the ability of random mutation and natural selection to account for the complexity of life.”

“Darwin’s theory of evolution is the great white elephant of contemporary thought,” said Dr. David Berlinski, a mathematician and philosopher of science with Discovery Institute’s Center for Science and Culture (CSC). “It is large, almost completely useless, and the object of superstitious awe.”

Discovery Institute first published its Statement of Dissent from Darwin in 2001 and a direct challenge to statements made in PBS’ “Evolution” series that no scientists disagreed with Darwinian evolution.

“The fact is that a significant number of scientists are extremely skeptical that Darwinian evolution can explain the origins of life,” said Dr. John G. West, associate director of the CSC. “We expect that as scientists engage in the wider debate over materialist evolutionary theories, this list will continue to grow, and grow at an even more rapid pace than we’ve seen this past year.”

In the last 90 days, 29 scientists, including eight biologists, have signed the “Scientific Dissent From Darwinism.” The list includes over 70 biologists.

The most recent signatories are Lev V. Beloussov and Vladimir L. Voeikov, two prominent Russian biologists from Moscow State University. Dr. Voeikov is a professor of bioorganic chemistry and Dr. Beloussov is a professor of embryology an Honorary Professor at Moscow State University and a member of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences.

“The ideology and philosophy of neo-Darwinism, which is sold by its adepts as a scientific theoretical foundation of biology, seriously hampers the development of science and hides from students the field’s real problems,” said Professor Voeikov.

“Lately in the media there’s been a lot of talk about science versus religion,” said West. “But such talk is misleading. This list is a witness to the growing group of scientists who challenge Darwinian theory on scientific grounds.”

Other prominent biologists who have signed the list include evolutionary biologist and textbook author Dr. Stanley Salthe, Dr. Richard von Sternberg, an evolutionary biologist at the Smithsonian Institution and the National Institutes of Health’s National Center for Biotechnology Information, and Giuseppe Sermonti, Editor of Rivista di Biologia / Biology Forum. The list also includes scientists from Princeton, Cornell, UC Berkeley, UCLA, Ohio State University, Purdue and University of Washington among others.

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10/09/2005 03:21 PM
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Yawn.

How about a count of the scientists who don´t agree with this?

How about a count of scientists who do/don´t agree with whatever alternative there is?
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10/09/2005 03:27 PM
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lol no shit 400 scientists convinced darwin was wrong..


400,000,000 still remain with darwin.
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Re: Over 400 Scientists Convinced by New Scientific Evidence That Darwinian Evolution is Deficient
Darwin´s Theory is only partially correct ... natural selection is a very important factor in species diversity. But there are "missing links" which can not account for reasons why humans have characteristics similar to primates, marine mammals and reptiles. We have been tinkered with ... by those who created us. Of course "they" dont want us to know that and keep feeding us fairy tales of creationism, religion and of course simple evolution. People would freak if they found out that earth was just a giant chicken farm for aliens ...nobody would show up at work on Monday.
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even darwin questioned his own theory before he died

so, not surprising is it?
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And notice how the quoted article contains NO ALTERNATIVE THEORY.
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[link to members.iinet.net.au]

you can read more quotes about the insufficiency of darwinism here
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10/09/2005 03:32 PM
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Since when was science decided by majority vote, anyway? Who cares about this statistic? Especially since there are millions of scientists in the world.
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name one Nobel laureate scientist who doesn´t believe in Evolution. Name one! No one ever has. They never reply to my question. I wonder why? Sure u can find some "scientist" from some bible college that disagrees with Evolution. Whopee do!
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Yeah right Mongo, and the world is only 6000 years old, and the great flood of Noah made the grand canyon as well.dumbass
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these are the main reasons for the promulgation of evolution:

white supremacy, do your homework on eugenics theory

and to make a creator obsolete
as if not believing in Him
makes him disappear
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has it ever occured to you that the Nobel prize has a litmus test?
would they give it to one who believed in a Creator?
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Re: Over 400 Scientists Convinced by New Scientific Evidence That Darwinian Evolution is Deficient
Humans, chimps almost a match
By Steve Sternberg, USA TODAY
Humans and chimpanzees share an almost identical genetic inheritance, scientists report Thursday in a landmark comparison that they call an "elegant confirmation" of Charles Darwin´s theory of evolution.

Clint the chimpanzee, whose genome sequence appears in ´Nature,´ helped show there´s little difference between man and ape.
Yerkes National Primate Research Center, AFP/Getty Images

Although scientists have long believed that humans and chimps are related, this comprehensive analysis of their separate genomes offers the best proof of their shared genetic past.

The 3 billion genetic letters in the two genetic blueprints are 96% identical with just 40 million differences, the researchers report in the journal Nature.

By delving more deeply into those differences, researchers hope to explain why humans are susceptible to certain diseases; why our evolutionary paths diverged from ancestral chimps 6 million years ago; and, on an even more basic level, what makes us human.

"We can peek into evolution´s lab notebook and see what went on there," says Francis Collins, director of the National Human Genome Research Institute.

The analysis offers clues to the cause of diseases such as Alzheimer´s and to why chimps and humans are susceptible to different diseases.

"Evolutionary analysis is a handmaiden to human medicine," says Eric Lander of the Broad Institute of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Harvard.

For example, in a discovery that could offer insights into Alzheimer´s, researchers found mutations that turn off the human caspase-12 gene, which causes damaged cells to self-destruct. Those mutations weren´t found in chimps, which aren´t as susceptible to Alzheimer´s. Knocking out caspase-12 in mice makes their brain cells more likely to survive with Alzheimer´s-like damage.

Researchers also identified mutations in humans that were important for survival, including a gene associated with speech and a gene that ramps up response to sugar, an advantage in lean times but a potential ticket to diabetes today.

"Reading these two genomes side by side, it´s amazing to see the evolutionary changes that are occurring," says Robert Waterston of the University of Washington. "I couldn´t imagine Darwin looking for stronger confirmation of his theories."



make sure you read it all mongoloid.....

"I couldn´t imagine Darwin looking for stronger confirmation of his theories."


people who still argue evolution are mongoloids
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If God made both humans and chimps
he could have put some similarities in there

the question is
why are there differences?

just coincidence?
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brainwarped zealots will not see my replies
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the difference between men and monkeys is that men know they came from monkeys
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if evolution is true
why do you suppose men came from chimps?



maybe chimps came from men?

how do you know?

the Creator formed man from the clay with His own hands

he spoke chimps into existance

you can refute that
but you can´t prove it didn´t happen
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Re: Over 400 Scientists Convinced by New Scientific Evidence That Darwinian Evolution is Deficient
I fully believe in evolution, but not exactly as Darwin would describe, and it even contains a certain element of intelligent design.

Take insects for example. Most insects have a life-span of 1 week. In a week, they are born, reproduce and die. This is very fast.

Now look at how many insect species there are. BILLIONS. Way to many to count. The short lives mean they can evolve faster. A couple legs get longer, the body color changes to match surroundings etc. Much easier with such a short life span. Since Hawaii was colonized, crickets were onboard the ships. Now there are 7 distinct types of crickets living in Hawaii that are offshoots from the original.

Now look at turtles (or most large long-lived reptiles_. Life span of hundreds of years in some cases. Now look how many different types of turtles there are. Soft shelled, hard shelled, long necked etc. Turtles and similar reptiles have been around for a LONG time. But they havn´t evolved very much. You don´t see a turtle that can climb a tree, because if something came up that needed them to climb a tree, more than likely would have returned to normal during the life span of this turtle.

There´s a couple other things to consider in this, like how long after they´re born until they can breed. Take rats and mice, they can breed something like a week or two after being born. Just food for thought.
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Re: Over 400 Scientists Convinced by New Scientific Evidence That Darwinian Evolution is Deficient
Also there is not much difference in the gene pattern between humans and dogs.
alienship
Wiser to look elsewhere for human origins.
It should also be obvious that we could not have originated or evolved on earth.
Naked in the wilderness, we would be dead.
Nature does not evolve weaker forms.
Learn to think outside the box.

To the thinking mind it becomes obvious that each race had separate origins.

Too bad we were so foolish as to mix it up and lose our original characteristics.
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Jesus didn´t evolve from apes
and neither did we
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It´s very simple.

There is yet so much things to be figured out.

So why bother with one single theory? No theory is completely wrong or right. They only have their power on a determined level of perception. Example: Newton´s Laws.

What all scientist agree now is that nature is measured by our methods of perception. And currently, System´s Theory is the only theory that adapts to this new view.

Stop losing your time discussing about old theories. A theory is only a theory if it´s understandable to all. If someone doesn´t understand Darwin´s evolution or doesn´t believe on it, then you can say that this theory DOESN´T WORK. Go after your own theory of everything. It´s worth the search.
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A stork delivered me.........WELL didn´t HE?!!!
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Its about time some real scientists admitted that Emperor Darwin has no clothes. Even a high school student can poke holes in the "theory" of evolution large enough to drive a truck through - Plato would have never bought is because its flawed logic. Variation sure nuff exists. Evolution is simply a bastard child of . And, as fat as those that believe in God as I do - disproving evolution doesn´t prove that God created man, could have been aliens or transpermia. But its amusing to me tht people that call themselves scientists accept such hogwash as evolution. Following evolutions logic the 747 must have spontaneously evolved from the 727 as an adaptation.
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WOW!

A WHOLE 400 out of the hundreds of thousands world-wide???

That´s simply amazing...

baby
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there is a dogma called ´scientism´

they only believe the ´facts´ which support their theories

so, they are really not scientists at all

they are fundamentalist atheists or agnostics
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"Jesus didn´t evolve from apes"

immaculate conception is about as believable as intelligent design. nuff said.
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...for their part in all this the false claim of new scientific data or facts or even artifacts is allowed to be used, supported by the very publication of the article in the first place...now...

...the truth, in fact the old scientific artifactual record itself remains hidden deep within the bowels of warehouses in maryland kept under lock and key, guarded by the military day and night, forever to kept from the nosey public especially the media and normal run of mill educated scientists...

...the keepers of the secrets know what i am about to reveal here...

...the fossel record proves beyond a doubt that man was genetically engineered...there is no missing link so to speak of...there were several bands of ancient cave men all with different genetic makeups...during our early history...

...by the way...the fossel record is distorted to keep the discussion going forever, diverting from the truth all records and data to the contrary...that man evolved...

...to be sure of a controversy till the end of time the church stepped in and fabricates their own history of man...

...one of believe and you will be saved...)please pay as you leave, and thank you)...
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Mary became pregnant when the Holy Spirit came upon her

it takes faith to believe that
but unbelief is no treasure
so, why are you proud of not believing?
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a 727 doesnt reproduce

dumbass
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Re: Over 400 Scientists Convinced by New Scientific Evidence That Darwinian Evolution is Deficient
Mary became pregnant when Joseph came upon her.
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Joseph was not involved
read the book again