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| Stormy Willow Offer Upgrade  User ID: 1612620  United States10/17/2011 06:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
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| ceawaves User ID: 789642 United States10/17/2011 06:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First off let me state that yes I know the Bible (I used to be a preachers wife LOL), and also I do believe in a Great Spirit. Quoting: Stormy Willow Every church I have ever been to always talks about loving your fellow man and caring for them BUT we were put on Earth to care for nature, the animals, trees, flowers, etc.. So why do all these people who claim to be a Christian not do what we were put here to do?? Just want other peoples opinions :) I am not here judging because now it seems I am being judged as a Pagan, Wiccan, or just plain ole Heathen. Oh and a tree-hugger :) Not saved by your works...so it's really a none issue....;) |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 816611 United States10/17/2011 06:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First off let me state that yes I know the Bible (I used to be a preachers wife LOL), and also I do believe in a Great Spirit. Quoting: Stormy Willow Every church I have ever been to always talks about loving your fellow man and caring for them BUT we were put on Earth to care for nature, the animals, trees, flowers, etc.. So why do all these people who claim to be a Christian not do what we were put here to do?? Just want other peoples opinions :) I am not here judging because now it seems I am being judged as a Pagan, Wiccan, or just plain ole Heathen. Oh and a tree-hugger :) Not saved by your works...so it's really a none issue....;) I dont think she's talking about doing good works to be saved. . .it's a matter of doing good works simply because they're good works. Because it's how we're called to live, and because most any functional human being recognizes that good works are exemplary. Note that those Jesus says "I never knew you" to are deemed guilty of not feeding and and helping and blessing "the least of these". Do you seriously think that good actions are somehow a non-issue? |
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| OneEyedWoman User ID: 3268933 United States10/17/2011 07:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well some people can claim to be a christian but not actually be one in the first place, but I am not claiming this to be the case. All Christians don't follow the exact word of the bible, we all fuck up or ignore a part of it. It doesn't mean its okay but we are human its 2nd nature for us to sin. We ARE supposed to, God loves his animals, he wants us to be kind to them but he also put some animals on the planet for food. He wants us to be take care of the earth, but we are stricken with free will so not everyone does that. Hope that helps you a bit.  Just around and I'll be there, I'm moving into your atmosphere. Romans 8:39 Any other living thing cannot keep us away from the love of God which is ours through Christ Jesus our Lord. Romans 8:15 For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, ""Abba," Father." Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions. –Romans 14:1 Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. |
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| Stormy Willow (OP) User ID: 1612620 United States10/17/2011 09:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For me my kids had to learn these lessons and I don't know why but I feel this is also just as an important lesson for us. Yes love your neighbors and treat others well no matter how they treat you (just don't become a door mat) BUT we should also show the same for what was given to us. Just my opinion I know. Thank you all for sharing your opinion with me :) |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 2481646 Australia10/17/2011 09:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First off let me state that yes I know the Bible (I used to be a preachers wife LOL), and also I do believe in a Great Spirit. Quoting: Stormy Willow Every church I have ever been to always talks about loving your fellow man and caring for them BUT we were put on Earth to care for nature, the animals, trees, flowers, etc.. So why do all these people who claim to be a Christian not do what we were put here to do?? Just want other peoples opinions :) I am not here judging because now it seems I am being judged as a Pagan, Wiccan, or just plain ole Heathen. Oh and a tree-hugger :) WE ARE TO LOVE THE creator more than the creation. SOME within humanity love animals MORE than their fellow human. yes we all know not all within humanity live as we like. but this planet MOTHER EARTH is pushed as an AGENDA to the zenith and detriment of its own people. |
| ceawaves User ID: 789642 United States10/17/2011 09:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First off let me state that yes I know the Bible (I used to be a preachers wife LOL), and also I do believe in a Great Spirit. Quoting: Stormy Willow Every church I have ever been to always talks about loving your fellow man and caring for them BUT we were put on Earth to care for nature, the animals, trees, flowers, etc.. So why do all these people who claim to be a Christian not do what we were put here to do?? Just want other peoples opinions :) I am not here judging because now it seems I am being judged as a Pagan, Wiccan, or just plain ole Heathen. Oh and a tree-hugger :) Not saved by your works...so it's really a none issue....;) I dont think she's talking about doing good works to be saved. . .it's a matter of doing good works simply because they're good works. Because it's how we're called to live, and because most any functional human being recognizes that good works are exemplary. Note that those Jesus says "I never knew you" to are deemed guilty of not feeding and and helping and blessing "the least of these". Do you seriously think that good actions are somehow a non-issue? Good actions or good intentions? nice gestures and all, but What ever, none issue, you're either saved by the blood..or not..according to Book. |
| TXGal4Truth User ID: 1013398 United States10/17/2011 09:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well some people can claim to be a christian but not actually be one in the first place, but I am not claiming this to be the case. Quoting: OneEyedWoman All Christians don't follow the exact word of the bible, we all fuck up or ignore a part of it. It doesn't mean its okay but we are human its 2nd nature for us to sin. We ARE supposed to, God loves his animals, he wants us to be kind to them but he also put some animals on the planet for food. He wants us to be take care of the earth, but we are stricken with free will so not everyone does that. Hope that helps you a bit. So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16 *********************************** You call me paranoid. I call you uninformed. :tgdmwt: |
| Stormy Willow (OP) User ID: 1612620 United States10/18/2011 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well some people can claim to be a christian but not actually be one in the first place, but I am not claiming this to be the case. Quoting: OneEyedWoman All Christians don't follow the exact word of the bible, we all fuck up or ignore a part of it. It doesn't mean its okay but we are human its 2nd nature for us to sin. We ARE supposed to, God loves his animals, he wants us to be kind to them but he also put some animals on the planet for food. He wants us to be take care of the earth, but we are stricken with free will so not everyone does that. Hope that helps you a bit. Yes animals were meant for food :) Back in in the ark if you read according to food laws only 2 every every unclean animal was taken aboard but it was 7 of every clean animal so yes I know they were meant for food also. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1106916 United States10/18/2011 01:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | First off let me state that yes I know the Bible (I used to be a preachers wife LOL), and also I do believe in a Great Spirit. Quoting: Stormy Willow Every church I have ever been to always talks about loving your fellow man and caring for them BUT we were put on Earth to care for nature, the animals, trees, flowers, etc.. So why do all these people who claim to be a Christian not do what we were put here to do?? Just want other peoples opinions :) I am not here judging because now it seems I am being judged as a Pagan, Wiccan, or just plain ole Heathen. Oh and a tree-hugger :) Yes, absolutely the Lord cares for the animals and the earth, afterall, that's His creation too that He loves dearly. There are many christians out there that believe the same way and do care for animals and the planet, I guess you've never met any of them....but they are out there, I'm one! |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1106916 United States10/18/2011 01:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In fact OP, get this. The first time I heard the Lord speak to me, you know what He said? He told me to stop littering. Literally, that's what He said. He went on to explain that this planet did not belong to me, I was a guest here. I never again littered. But, it was interesting that He viewed littering as important enough to tell me about it. Yes, I was young and stupid...and careless back then. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1585758 United States10/18/2011 01:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | in the beginning god created the earth then he gave earth to man then man gave it to lucifer god will create a new earth if it make you happy to tend lucifers garden...go ahead i'm not a christian if i don't plant apple trees like mr appleseed. i'm a christian because yeshua gave his life for me, was raised and gave me salvation |
| Aiyanna User ID: 1556012 United States10/18/2011 01:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am not a christian by any means, but i am Spiritual. I think we have fell short of caring for this beautiful planet. We should take care of it, Not just because your religion says it the right thing to do, We should care for the earth because she is our home and with out her we would not have all the life and beauty we have been given. It really doesn't matter to me who gave it to us..we need her as much as she needs us Humankind has not woven the web of life. We are but one thread within it. Whatever we do to the web, we do to ourselves. All things are bound together. All things connect. Chief Seattle, 1854 When all the trees have been cut down, when all the animals have been hunted, when all the waters are polluted, when all the air is unsafe to breathe, only then will you discover you cannot eat money. Cree Prophecy "Our land is everything to us... I will tell you one of the things we remember on our land. We remember that our grandfathers paid for it - with their lives." - John Wooden Leg, Cheyenne You must teach your children that the ground beneath their feet is the ashes of your grandfathers. So that they will respect the land, tell your children that the earth is rich with the lives of our kin. Teach your children what we have taught our children, that the earth is our mother. Whatever befalls the earth befalls the sons of the earth. If men spit upon the ground, they spit upon themselves. ~Iroquois~ |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 816611 United States10/18/2011 02:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good actions or good intentions? nice gestures and all, but What ever, none issue, you're either saved by the blood..or not..according to Book. Quoting: ceawaves I'm guessing that the concept of behaving right and loving others for its own sake just doesn't register? Screw "being saved". Fuck the whole mentality of me-getting-anything-out-of-it. Doing good is Good, regardless of how defective I am within.  |
| ceawaves User ID: 789642 United States10/18/2011 03:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good actions or good intentions? nice gestures and all, but What ever, none issue, you're either saved by the blood..or not..according to Book. Quoting: ceawaves I'm guessing that the concept of behaving right and loving others for its own sake just doesn't register? Screw "being saved". Fuck the whole mentality of me-getting-anything-out-of-it. Doing good is Good, regardless of how defective I am within. never said it was not a good thing or that it didn't register. but does not and will not save one soul... and who ever gave me bad Karma for speaking the truth must have some real issues.. go on an try an work your way into it.. good luck with all that...bunch of hypocrites.. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 816611 United States10/18/2011 03:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good actions or good intentions? nice gestures and all, but What ever, none issue, you're either saved by the blood..or not..according to Book. Quoting: ceawaves I'm guessing that the concept of behaving right and loving others for its own sake just doesn't register? Screw "being saved". Fuck the whole mentality of me-getting-anything-out-of-it. Doing good is Good, regardless of how defective I am within. never said it was not a good thing or that it didn't register. but does not and will not save one soul... and who ever gave me bad Karma for speaking the truth must have some real issues.. go on an try an work your way into it.. good luck with all that...bunch of hypocrites.. I'm not trying to "work my way" into anything. What part of that are you not grasping? Be good to people because it's Good. Even unindoctrinated little kids see the virtue in this this. You're claiming that good behavior is a non-issue, and yet other people are the hypocrites? Yikes. WTF kind of Jesus are you following? |
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| ceawaves User ID: 789642 United States10/18/2011 03:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Good actions or good intentions? nice gestures and all, but What ever, none issue, you're either saved by the blood..or not..according to Book. Quoting: ceawaves I'm guessing that the concept of behaving right and loving others for its own sake just doesn't register? Screw "being saved". Fuck the whole mentality of me-getting-anything-out-of-it. Doing good is Good, regardless of how defective I am within. never said it was not a good thing or that it didn't register. but does not and will not save one soul... and who ever gave me bad Karma for speaking the truth must have some real issues.. go on an try an work your way into it.. good luck with all that...bunch of hypocrites.. I'm not trying to "work my way" into anything. What part of that are you not grasping? Be good to people because it's Good. Even unindoctrinated little kids see the virtue in this this. You're claiming that good behavior is a non-issue, and yet other people are the hypocrites? Yikes. WTF kind of Jesus are you following? it's not about you..and you're twisting words.. My point was no one can 'good work' their way into salvation. In a nut shell: It's NOT POSSIBLE according to the Book. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 865798 United States10/18/2011 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 816611 I'm guessing that the concept of behaving right and loving others for its own sake just doesn't register? Screw "being saved". Fuck the whole mentality of me-getting-anything-out-of-it. Doing good is Good, regardless of how defective I am within. never said it was not a good thing or that it didn't register. but does not and will not save one soul... and who ever gave me bad Karma for speaking the truth must have some real issues.. go on an try an work your way into it.. good luck with all that...bunch of hypocrites.. I'm not trying to "work my way" into anything. What part of that are you not grasping? Be good to people because it's Good. Even unindoctrinated little kids see the virtue in this this. You're claiming that good behavior is a non-issue, and yet other people are the hypocrites? Yikes. WTF kind of Jesus are you following? it's not about you..and you're twisting words.. My point was no one can 'good work' their way into salvation. In a nut shell: It's NOT POSSIBLE according to the Book. That is exactly one of the reasons why it is sooo fucked up. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 816611 United States10/18/2011 03:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 816611 I'm guessing that the concept of behaving right and loving others for its own sake just doesn't register? Screw "being saved". Fuck the whole mentality of me-getting-anything-out-of-it. Doing good is Good, regardless of how defective I am within. never said it was not a good thing or that it didn't register. but does not and will not save one soul... and who ever gave me bad Karma for speaking the truth must have some real issues.. go on an try an work your way into it.. good luck with all that...bunch of hypocrites.. I'm not trying to "work my way" into anything. What part of that are you not grasping? Be good to people because it's Good. Even unindoctrinated little kids see the virtue in this this. You're claiming that good behavior is a non-issue, and yet other people are the hypocrites? Yikes. WTF kind of Jesus are you following? it's not about you..and you're twisting words.. My point was no one can 'good work' their way into salvation. In a nut shell: It's NOT POSSIBLE according to the Book. You keep *making* it about me. Can you not separate the concept of "being good" from "being saved"? Does blessing a stranger have zero appeal to you whatsoever because it won't save you?! |
| Rose of Sharon User ID: 3535193  Germany10/18/2011 03:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow was really wishing for more input but that is okay. Like I said I am not judging to me there is no one right religion, there is some truth in all but also there is plenty wrong in all. Quoting: Stormy Willow :) How could you have been a preachers wife, say you know the Bible and at the same time say that there is no one right religion. Are you a believer in Jesus Christ? If you know the Bible, then you should know what Jesus said in John 14:6. I agree you are confused. Seek the truth. You will find it. "Life is not as idle ore, But iron dug from central gloom, And battered by the shocks of doom, To shape and use." |
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