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Recent observations on Yellowstone for serious magmatards

 
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Mount Etna just erupted... saw it on tonight's tv news.

Back to Yellowstone (I do not mean to hijack your excellent thread)...
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OP, I belive that Erik Klemetti and his blog-followers at

[link to bigthink.com]

would be interested in your initial and subsequent posts concerning Yellowstone's magma flow and new sensors.

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I see first time this post. Yellowstone is really beautiful and unfortunately place which one can wipe out most of humans out of planet.

There have been many years some uplift in caldera and then it stopped and if i'm right scientist are now little worry that it started again.

I think that most dangerous thing is what yellowstone now to do is some big geysir eruption.

Those seismos are really often really scary looking but this place is so huge that if there is big earthquake some other place in the world those earthquake waves shows in magma chamber here. It is not dangerous.

Also if they drill or do something in area seismos are quite bad looking.

If there happens some kind of earthquakes and same time temperature rising water areas is time to be little bit worry.

It means magma is rising.

There was in discovery great document this area magmachamber and same thing is also another supervolcanoes in world.

Main thing that document was that there is so huge magmachamber that if it get suddenly some kind of huge temperature boost it starts chain reaction and nothing cant stop it. Then it erupts. Without warning.
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Dear friends,

Thanks for all of the nice commentary and remarks.chorus

I did not realize that this thread was pinned for a while yesterday, thanks mods! hf

(I guess I live in my own little world)

Thanks for the link for the AVO (Alaskan volcanoes).

It sure looks like some restlessness is going on up there as well.hiding

The YDC looks like it might possibly have produced what looks a bit like a long period event earlier today.

[link to www.isthisthingon.org]
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Thanks for your response. I haven't had a chance to read all the links yet. I've been reading/watching a lot about Bernard Chouet today. I really wish he were here to answer this question but you seem quite insightful and wondered if you may be able to shed some light.

From what you've read, does Chouet make any distinctions between 'Long duration events' and 'Harmonic tremors'. I'm wondering if 'Harmonic tremors' are protracted 'Long duration events' due to continuous pressurisation.

Thanks again.

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Great work OP. Nice detailed research. Will take lot's of time to check out, but well worth the effort. Thanks.
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Thanks for your response. I haven't had a chance to read all the links yet. I've been reading/watching a lot about Bernard Chouet today. I really wish he were here to answer this question but you seem quite insightful and wondered if you may be able to shed some light.

From what you've read, does Chouet make any distinctions between 'Long duration events' and 'Harmonic tremors'. I'm wondering if 'Harmonic tremors' are protracted 'Long duration events' due to continuous pressurisation.

Thanks again.
 Quoting: TardisBlue


As I understand it, long period tremor and harmonics are not quite the same. As I understand it, long period events precede harmonics, and harmonics are just preceding or are a part of eruptive phases. Long period events are short bursts of magma movement, whereas harmonics are a sustained movement of magma.

"Volcanic seismicity has three major forms: short-period earthquakes, long-period earthquakes, and harmonic tremor. Short-period earthquakes are like normal fault-related earthquakes. They are related to the fracturing of brittle rock as the magma forces its way upward. These short-period earthquakes signify the growth of a magma body near the surface. Long-period earthquakes are believed to indicate increased gas pressure in a volcano's "plumbing system." They are similar to the clanging sometimes heard in your home's plumbing system. Harmonic tremor occurs when there is sustained movement of magma below the surface.
Patterns of seismicity are complex and often difficult to interpret. However, increasing activity is very worrisome, especially if long-period events become dominant and episodes of harmonic tremor appear."

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The saw tooth/sine wave/saw tooth pattern continues to persist at YPC:

[link to isthisthingon.org]

LKWY has resumed what I call the "fuzzy caterpillars" Are these long period (type B) events?

[link to isthisthingon.org]

Here are the Montana heilocorders.

[link to mbmgquake.mtech.edu]

wave

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The same pattern is observable with today’s 6.9 (10-28-11) Peru quake:

[link to www.isthisthingon.org]
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Here's another good Yellowstone link:

[link to volcanoes.usgs.gov]

Interesting to note the persistent caldera subsistence. The USGS attributes this to . . . wait for it . . . snowfall.

/srsly.bsflag
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Hay Emerald Eye have you noticed the rhythmic waves on the Pelican Cone seismogram for to day it is very odd any ideals anyone on what could be causing it to do that they are pretty steady and constant.

[link to www.isthisthingon.org]
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Hay Emerald Eye have you noticed the rhythmic waves on the Pelican Cone seismogram for to day it is very odd any ideals anyone on what could be causing it to do that they are pretty steady and constant.

[link to www.isthisthingon.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2000921


I did notice that, more so today, but also on other days as well. My best guess is some sort of resonance signal, but I am not sure if it is volcanic, hydrothermal or man-made.

[link to www.isthisthingon.org]

You can see it better at a distance here:
[link to www.isthisthingon.org]

Some of the California sensors display weird variable wave patters as well:

[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]

[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]



(I am not sure if this one is calibration, but why would it be calibrated so often?)

[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]
[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]
[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]





I didn’t comment, because I was not exactly sure what it represents.

BTW, the LKWY sensor seemed to wake up for a short time yesterday.

[link to www.isthisthingon.org]




Thanks for the post and observation!hf

I will keep looking to see if I can find an answer, unless someone else has already figured it out, and wishes to post on this topic. hi

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Here's another good Yellowstone link:

[link to volcanoes.usgs.gov]

Interesting to note the persistent caldera subsistence. The USGS attributes this to . . . wait for it . . . snowfall.

/srsly.bsflag
 Quoting: Jefiner


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They say that the rate of ground deformation has slowed but on the graph it looks like it might be going back up.

[link to volcanoes.usgs.gov]

Graph
[link to pboweb.unavco.org]
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They say that the rate of ground deformation has slowed but on the graph it looks like it might be going back up.

[link to volcanoes.usgs.gov]

Graph
[link to pboweb.unavco.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2000921


Thanks for the excellent infohf

Pelican cone is doing its weird pattern again this morning.scratching

[link to www.isthisthingon.org]

[link to www.isthisthingon.org]
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A few years ago, during another swarm, I watched the water outflow from Yellowstone Lake. During a time of year when flow should have been decreasing, the water flow actually *increased* due to expansion and elevation of the lake bed, displacing the water.

Pretty eery, and definitely something worth keeping an eye on.
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The 4.9 quake in Oklahoma shows on almost all the graphs at Yellowstone.
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The 4.9 quake in Oklahoma shows on almost all the graphs at Yellowstone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2000921


It sure did show up on most of the sensors.

Compare the response of YPK (Parker Peak )

[link to isthisthingon.org]

to YPC Pelican Cone)

[link to isthisthingon.org]


both at 1600 mv.

YPC still doing its funny pattern of "little puffs".
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A few years ago, during another swarm, I watched the water outflow from Yellowstone Lake. During a time of year when flow should have been decreasing, the water flow actually *increased* due to expansion and elevation of the lake bed, displacing the water.

Pretty eery, and definitely something worth keeping an eye on.
 Quoting: Jefiner


Thank you for your insights,...very interesting.

As is this most excellent thread.




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Is the new wry large spike on the graphs another earth quake some were else?????
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Oh I found it Oklahoma had another quake an 5.6 around 10:30
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Oh I found it Oklahoma had another quake an 5.6 around 10:30
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1441109

Yes, that one even picked up (although just barely) on the two sensors that I thought were malfunctioning, the (YMP) Mirror Lake Plateau [link to www.isthisthingon.org]

and the YMC (Maple Creek)

[link to www.isthisthingon.org]


WTF is going on in Oklahoma???? eqscared

The first one (in red) wasn’t an isolated quake, it was a foreshock.

[link to www.isthisthingon.org]
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Also it seemed to me to be two separate events tied together.

[link to www.isthisthingon.org]



I was at a conference yesterday, so I am just catching up on this today with the Okalahoma threads. Fracking? Fault line? Ancient volcano? New Madrid? hiding
I just don’t know right now.

Thanks to all who posted. If I find anything interesting I also will post.

This really showed up on Yellowstone. It was not tiny.

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It seems to be the Wilzetta fault also known as the Seminole uplift, but why so much activity now?

[link to www.geologyinmotion.com]

[link to www.okgeosurvey1.gov]
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I'm just an amateur geologist, but I doubt fracking is responsible for an earthquake of this magnitude and depth.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

There has been a fair amount of discussion that the Farallon plate subducting under the North American craton is responsible for activating (or reactivating, depending on your timeline) the New Madrid/mid continent fault system. The continent has tried to break apart in the past, and failed, so there may be latent weaknesses in the craton.

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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Cool image of the remnants of the Farallon plate.

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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Cool image of the remnants of the Farallon plate.

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 Quoting: Jefiner


That is a very cool image of the Farallon plate.

I believe that it may originally have come from here:

[link to svs.gsfc.nasa.gov]

I hadn’t thought about the Farallon, earthquakes, and the New Madrid tie-in until just now. Thanks for bringing it up.


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Good thought on your part!hf
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Cool image of the remnants of the Farallon plate.

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 Quoting: Jefiner


Kinda organic looking.

Cool.



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