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OWS ? It's easier to Blame individuals for being the Cause Rather than Dealing with the more Scarier Problem of a Government Gone Astray.

This would mean either placing your life on the line to defend the freedoms that are being taken away or run away like a scared bitch.

It seems obvious to me, that the latter group likes to spew adolescent insults to those who believe the former...

WHat's your Take? Agree or Not?

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"More Scarier" is grammatically incorrect
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There are only individuals. Everything that happens is because of individuals. The only way to hold anyone responsible for anything is if you hold individuals responsible.
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I'm more scared of the individuals who can't see that it is government gone astray, and are swayed by community organizers to join the OWS and spew their left wing socialist mantras' like a bunch of lemmings.
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one thing is glaringly obvious. americans can't live peacefullly with what they call 'freedoms'
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OWS ? It's easier to Blame individuals for being the Cause Rather than Dealing with the more Scarier Problem of a Government Gone Astray.

This would mean either placing your life on the line to defend the freedoms that are being taken away or run away like a scared bitch.

It seems obvious to me, that the latter group likes to spew adolescent insults to those who believe the former...

WHat's your Take? Agree or Not?

DarkZen
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Honestly, your post makes no sense what so ever and you aren't actually making a point. You aren't beginning a discussion in any way and your opening post makes your armchair revolutionary tendencies quite clear.

I've read so many posts like these, people advocating violence from the safety of their computer chairs, it's really getting old.

If you really want to "put your life on the line" then please, by all means, go ahead and do so. If you think you can accomplish something with your own death then I see no reason why you shouldn't go through with it.

I don't, however, think you will ever "put your life on the line". You will probably stay in your computer seat and tell others that they should violently oppose something they don't understand. I would even question your adulthood as you write like someone who is, at best, in their first year or two of college.

What is "more scarier" to me is that people like you will, one day, be responsible for anything that might affect me in anyway.

You asked for my thoughts and I gave them to you.
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OWS ? It's easier to Blame individuals for being the Cause Rather than Dealing with the more Scarier Problem of a Government Gone Astray.
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And who do you think pulls the strings of few recent US govts? Who got massive bailouts on taxpayers accounts?
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Oh Zen, my brother,

You may be right, but it has to start somewhere and it seems that none of the "people who are right about everything"... are doing anything!

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People who are accusing OWS of being socialists and lazy bums looking for a hand out, simply refuse to see what they're really protesting.

It's not government run amock per se. It's corporations. OWS is protesting the massive corruption and fraud that the corporotacracy has perpetrated. The government we have now is completely enslaved to the corporotacracy, it doesn't matter if they're Democrat or Republican. That is the issue here. The corporotacracy is poisoning the planet, enslaving the population, stealing our heritage and our wealth, degrading our rights, all for their profit. That's what needs to stop. That's what OWS is about. That's what the original Tea Party was about, as far as I could see, before it got co-opted by corporate whores (ie politicians).

I'm all for OWS from the grassroots, and I'm watching out for the attempt by TPTB to co-opt it sneakily by spewing the rhetoric it thinks you want to hear, whether you consider yourself left-wing or right-wing. If you're right-wing, they want you to buy into the idea that OWS is a bunch of lazy hippies who can't bother to get a job. If you're left-wing, they want to inflate their artificially induced left-wing celebrities to trumpet the propaganda. Don't buy into it either way. The Democrats AND the Republicans are all guilty. They are all corporate whores. Don't buy into their propaganda.
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You people are burdened by way to many billionaires and media spewing propaganda of all sorts.
The problem is being run by corporate, but most here always talk in favour of low tax, no rules and regulations and freedom to do a lot in secret (like brainwashing your sorry asses).
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People who are accusing OWS of being socialists and lazy bums looking for a hand out, simply refuse to see what they're really protesting.

It's not government run amock per se. It's corporations. OWS is protesting the massive corruption and fraud that the corporotacracy has perpetrated. The government we have now is completely enslaved to the corporotacracy, it doesn't matter if they're Democrat or Republican. That is the issue here. The corporotacracy is poisoning the planet, enslaving the population, stealing our heritage and our wealth, degrading our rights, all for their profit. That's what needs to stop. That's what OWS is about. That's what the original Tea Party was about, as far as I could see, before it got co-opted by corporate whores (ie politicians).

I'm all for OWS from the grassroots, and I'm watching out for the attempt by TPTB to co-opt it sneakily by spewing the rhetoric it thinks you want to hear, whether you consider yourself left-wing or right-wing. If you're right-wing, they want you to buy into the idea that OWS is a bunch of lazy hippies who can't bother to get a job. If you're left-wing, they want to inflate their artificially induced left-wing celebrities to trumpet the propaganda. Don't buy into it either way. The Democrats AND the Republicans are all guilty. They are all corporate whores. Don't buy into their propaganda.
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^this^

However... I believe the OWS movement has been "co-opted" by communists.

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Why is this pinned? How do you suggest an unpin?
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People who are accusing OWS of being socialists and lazy bums looking for a hand out, simply refuse to see what they're really protesting.

It's not government run amock per se. It's corporations. OWS is protesting the massive corruption and fraud that the corporotacracy has perpetrated. The government we have now is completely enslaved to the corporotacracy, it doesn't matter if they're Democrat or Republican. That is the issue here. The corporotacracy is poisoning the planet, enslaving the population, stealing our heritage and our wealth, degrading our rights, all for their profit. That's what needs to stop. That's what OWS is about. That's what the original Tea Party was about, as far as I could see, before it got co-opted by corporate whores (ie politicians).

I'm all for OWS from the grassroots, and I'm watching out for the attempt by TPTB to co-opt it sneakily by spewing the rhetoric it thinks you want to hear, whether you consider yourself left-wing or right-wing. If you're right-wing, they want you to buy into the idea that OWS is a bunch of lazy hippies who can't bother to get a job. If you're left-wing, they want to inflate their artificially induced left-wing celebrities to trumpet the propaganda. Don't buy into it either way. The Democrats AND the Republicans are all guilty. They are all corporate whores. Don't buy into their propaganda.
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if you said this to my face i would have believed it, but i don't believe a damn word i read on this website.
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People who are accusing OWS of being socialists and lazy bums looking for a hand out, simply refuse to see what they're really protesting.

It's not government run amock per se. It's corporations. OWS is protesting the massive corruption and fraud that the corporotacracy has perpetrated. The government we have now is completely enslaved to the corporotacracy, it doesn't matter if they're Democrat or Republican. That is the issue here. The corporotacracy is poisoning the planet, enslaving the population, stealing our heritage and our wealth, degrading our rights, all for their profit. That's what needs to stop. That's what OWS is about. That's what the original Tea Party was about, as far as I could see, before it got co-opted by corporate whores (ie politicians).

I'm all for OWS from the grassroots, and I'm watching out for the attempt by TPTB to co-opt it sneakily by spewing the rhetoric it thinks you want to hear, whether you consider yourself left-wing or right-wing. If you're right-wing, they want you to buy into the idea that OWS is a bunch of lazy hippies who can't bother to get a job. If you're left-wing, they want to inflate their artificially induced left-wing celebrities to trumpet the propaganda. Don't buy into it either way. The Democrats AND the Republicans are all guilty. They are all corporate whores. Don't buy into their propaganda.
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if you said this to my face i would have believed it, but i don't believe a damn word i read on this website.
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Nor should you. But go talk to a few OWSers. Some of them may well be hand-out monkeys, but most of them are not. Most of them just want to see an end to the corporate corruption that is killing our planet and stealing our future.
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YER Rite! it iz gettin more scarier evrey day but most peeple caint see it, jus peeple like yoon me hooz been to coolig.
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YER Rite! it iz gettin more scarier evrey day but most peeple caint see it, jus peeple like yoon me hooz been to coolig.
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Sorry I meant coolige;
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Why is this pinned? How do you suggest an unpin?
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Here's a You Tube vid that explains it hf

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The unfettered corruption has allowed corporations to write the laws that allow them to pollute the environment and pay minimal taxes. Add that to the fiat money scam fostered upon the people and there is no doubt that a major change is needed for the whole system.

It will only come from the people taking to the streets, elections are rigged and the majority of politicians are so corrupted that they will never help the people again as they are beholden unto their masters, the corporations. Name one bill passed in to law in recent years that favors the people over a corporation! And if you go farther back and do a count of how many bills benefit a corporation or the people the count is heavily lopsided.

The republicans want to loosen the regulations so that the scammers can invent more ways to screw the people. The derivative market is trillions, but it is another smoke and mirrors game that is about to collapse and cause another shakeup.
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People who are accusing OWS of being socialists and lazy bums looking for a hand out, simply refuse to see what they're really protesting.

It's not government run amock per se. It's corporations. OWS is protesting the massive corruption and fraud that the corporotacracy has perpetrated. The government we have now is completely enslaved to the corporotacracy, it doesn't matter if they're Democrat or Republican. That is the issue here. The corporotacracy is poisoning the planet, enslaving the population, stealing our heritage and our wealth, degrading our rights, all for their profit. That's what needs to stop. That's what OWS is about. That's what the original Tea Party was about, as far as I could see, before it got co-opted by corporate whores (ie politicians).

I'm all for OWS from the grassroots, and I'm watching out for the attempt by TPTB to co-opt it sneakily by spewing the rhetoric it thinks you want to hear, whether you consider yourself left-wing or right-wing. If you're right-wing, they want you to buy into the idea that OWS is a bunch of lazy hippies who can't bother to get a job. If you're left-wing, they want to inflate their artificially induced left-wing celebrities to trumpet the propaganda. Don't buy into it either way. The Democrats AND the Republicans are all guilty. They are all corporate whores. Don't buy into their propaganda.
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if you said this to my face i would have believed it, but i don't believe a damn word i read on this website.
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Nor should you. But go talk to a few OWSers. Some of them may well be hand-out monkeys, but most of them are not. Most of them just want to see an end to the corporate corruption that is killing our planet and stealing our future.
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Please correct me if I'm off base here, but in addition to protesting "corporate greed," my perception is that a large majority of the folks support the following:

Larger, more intrusive government

Higher Taxes for the "rich" especially, but also for the small businessman making over $250k per annum (you know, the ones that made this country what it once was, and likely employ most of us today).

Forced medical coverage (i.e. Obamacare) to be overseen by obscure Washington bureaucrats. They've done such a great job with everything else to date, what could possibly go wrong?!?!

Increased taxes relating to carbon output, which will translate into increased prices on EVERYTHING, as well as additional fees and surcharges that may well force many folks (particularly those on fixed incomes) out of their homes, or onto the government dole because they can no longer afford to live there.

Complete separation of church as state. For that matter, the complete elimination of Christianity in its entirety (the cornerstone of our American society and the constitution), with a growing contingent appearing to support the "all-inclusive" religion of Islam.

Complete forgiveness of all debt - or at least student debt, but you know it won't stop there, which in turn means a departure from all personal responsibility in favor of personal slavery to the almighty government.

The Muslim Brotherhood is GOOD, and the systematic (and historic) elimination of middle eastern governments in such rapid fashion doesn't mean a thing. Nothing to worry about whatsoever - move along now.

The EPA, Justice Department, etc. are all only just doing their jobs against the "evil" corporatists, and there's nothing political going on at all. Obama supports their actions, and he's even forgiving your student debt, so it's all gotta be ok. No agenda whatsoever - so move along now, nothing to see.

Unions are only looking out for your best interests, and have no goal of playing a much larger part in the political power structure they perceive might be in place after the hoped for (and manufactured) downfall of our current system - if they play their cards right.

Communism is GOOD, and once we win, everyone will join together singing "kumbaya" on a daily basis. We will all work together for the common good as the government prescribes, and happily give all we earn back to that same government because we KNOW they will take care of us! Those that don't want to do what they're told (or speak out too loudly) will be eliminated of course (which is about 2/3 of the population), but that is the price we must pay for peace I guess....

Our founding fathers didn't know shit, or even once warn us this might happen....

Yeah, I can't wait for you folks to be in charge....NOT!!!!
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We've had a corporate takeover of the US government.

Republican Phil Gramm started it back in the mid-1990's.
Between 1995 and 2000, Gramm was the chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs. During that time he spearheaded efforts to pass banking deregulation laws, including the landmark Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act in 1999, which removed Depression-era laws separating banking, insurance and brokerage activities.

Citizen's United v. FEC was the last nail in the American coffin.
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America is a Fascist State now.


They deregulated media ownership and ruined it.
They deregulated airlines and ruined them.
Deregulation makes a few people VERY rich and ruins what was deregulated.
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Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act

A year before the law was passed, Citicorp, a commercial bank holding company, merged with the insurance company Travelers Group in 1998 to form the conglomerate Citigroup, a corporation combining banking, securities and insurance services under a house of brands that included Citibank, Smith Barney, Primerica, and Travelers. Because this merger was a violation of the Glass–Steagall Act and the Bank Holding Company Act of 1956, the Federal Reserve gave Citigroup a temporary waiver in September 1998.[1] Less than a year later, GLB was passed to legalize these types of mergers on a permanent basis. The law also repealed Glass–Steagall's conflict of interest prohibitions "against simultaneous service by any officer, director, or employee of a securities firm as an officer, director, or employee of any member bank."[2]


Criticisms

Many believe that the Act directly helped cause the 2007 subprime mortgage financial crisis. President Barack Obama has stated that GLB led to deregulation that, among other things, allowed for the creation of giant financial supermarkets that could own investment banks, commercial banks and insurance firms, something banned since the Great Depression. Its passage, critics also say, cleared the way for companies that were too big and intertwined to fail.[22] Economists Robert Ekelund and Mark Thornton have also criticized the Act as contributing to the crisis. They state that "in a world regulated by a gold standard, 100% reserve banking, and no FDIC deposit insurance" the Financial Services Modernization Act would have made "perfect sense" as a legitimate act of deregulation, but under the present fiat monetary system it "amounts to corporate welfare for financial institutions and a moral hazard that will make taxpayers pay dearly."[23]

Nobel Prize-winning economist Joseph Stiglitz has also argued that the Act helped to create the crisis.[24] An article in the liberal publication The Nation asserted that GLB was responsible for the creation of entities that took on more risk due to their being considered “too big to fail."

Section 731 of the GLB, codified as subsection (f) of 12 U.S.C. § 1831u, contains a unique provision aimed at Arkansas, whose usury limit was set at five percent above the Federal Reserve discount rate by the Arkansas Constitution and could not be changed by the Arkansas General Assembly. When the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency ruled that interstate banks established under the Riegle-Neal Interstate Banking and Branching Efficiency Act of 1994 could use their home state's usury law for all branches nationwide with minimal restrictions,[19] Arkansas-based banks were placed at a severe competitive disadvantage to Arkansas branches of interstate banks; this led to out-of-state takeovers of several Arkansas banks, including the sale of First Commercial Bank (then Arkansas' largest bank) to Regions Financial Corporation in 1998.

Under Section 731, all banks headquartered in a state covered by that law may charge up to the highest usury limit of any state that is headquarters to an interstate bank which has branches in the covered state. Therefore, since Arkansas has branches of banks based in Alabama, Georgia, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio and Texas,[20] any loan that is legal under the usury laws of any of those states may be made by an Arkansas-based bank under Section 731. The section does not apply to interstate banks with branches in the covered state, but headquartered elsewhere; however, Arkansas-based interstate banks like Arvest Bank may export their Section 731 limits to other states.

Due to Section 731, it is generally regarded that Arkansas-based banks now have no usury limit for credit cards or for any loan of greater than $2,000 (since Alabama, Regions' home state, has no limits on those loans), with a limit of 18% (the minimum usury limit in Texas) or more on all other loans.[21] However, once Wells Fargo fully completes its proposed purchase of Century Bank (a Texas bank with Arkansas branches), Section 731 will do away with all usury limits for Arkansas-based banks since Wells Fargo's main bank charter is based in South Dakota, which repealed its usury laws many years ago.

Though designed for Arkansas, Section 731 may also apply to Alaska and California whose constitutions provide for the same basic usury limit, though unlike Arkansas their legislatures can (and generally do) set different limits. If Section 731 applies to those states, then all their usury limits are inapplicable to banks based in those states, since Wells Fargo has branches in both states.
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How many different way is this argument going to be debated?
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People who are accusing OWS of being socialists and lazy bums looking for a hand out, simply refuse to see what they're really protesting.

It's not government run amock per se. It's corporations. OWS is protesting the massive corruption and fraud that the corporotacracy has perpetrated. The government we have now is completely enslaved to the corporotacracy, it doesn't matter if they're Democrat or Republican. That is the issue here. The corporotacracy is poisoning the planet, enslaving the population, stealing our heritage and our wealth, degrading our rights, all for their profit. That's what needs to stop. That's what OWS is about. That's what the original Tea Party was about, as far as I could see, before it got co-opted by corporate whores (ie politicians).

I'm all for OWS from the grassroots, and I'm watching out for the attempt by TPTB to co-opt it sneakily by spewing the rhetoric it thinks you want to hear, whether you consider yourself left-wing or right-wing. If you're right-wing, they want you to buy into the idea that OWS is a bunch of lazy hippies who can't bother to get a job. If you're left-wing, they want to inflate their artificially induced left-wing celebrities to trumpet the propaganda. Don't buy into it either way. The Democrats AND the Republicans are all guilty. They are all corporate whores. Don't buy into their propaganda.
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^this^

However... I believe the OWS movement has been "co-opted" by communists.

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I've banned so many times for saying this kind of stuff.

Or it might have been my sig, "republicans and democrats, two sides to the same ass".
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We've had a corporate takeover of the US government.

Republican Phil Gramm started it back in the mid-1990's.
Between 1995 and 2000, Gramm was the chairman of the U.S. Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs. During that time he spearheaded efforts to pass banking deregulation laws, including the landmark Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act in 1999, which removed Depression-era laws separating banking, insurance and brokerage activities.

Citizen's United v. FEC was the last nail in the American coffin.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

America is a Fascist State now.


They deregulated media ownership and ruined it.
They deregulated airlines and ruined them.
Deregulation makes a few people VERY rich and ruins what was deregulated.
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This, I can agree with; however, the "fight" against this is not being fought on Wall Street, nor by this current administration. It is being fought by those of us that care about our country and constitution, and the distracting shit on Wall Street is the communist/globalist answer to our fight.

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How many different way is this argument going to be debated?
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In as many ways as are possible until we create real solutions to our problems.
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10/31/2011 01:34 AM
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Re: OWS ? It's easier to Blame individuals for being the Cause Rather than Dealing with the more Scarier Problem of a Government Gone Astray
the scarierest bitches play on the hide on the internet. let me know when you're ready to #occupyovaloffice.
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Re: OWS ? It's easier to Blame individuals for being the Cause Rather than Dealing with the more Scarier Problem of a Government Gone Astray
OWS ? It's easier to Blame individuals for being the Cause Rather than Dealing with the more Scarier Problem of a Government Gone Astray.

This would mean either placing your life on the line to defend the freedoms that are being taken away or run away like a scared bitch.

It seems obvious to me, that the latter group likes to spew adolescent insults to those who believe the former...

WHat's your Take? Agree or Not?

DarkZen
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YES!

You are the fucking man! How long till the unpin?
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US Govt did NOT go astray. They were founded with an agenda by the NWO.

OWS does not offer any answers.

There is no answer. Just stop supporting govt.

OWS will make things worse, as designed.
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10/31/2011 02:55 AM
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9teen None of this really matters. It's like two types of vultures fighting over a decaying corpse.

Psa 9:17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, [and] all the nations that forget God.





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