OWS RANT - A little long but it could have been longer - Just had to get it off my chest. | |
Rybo (OP) User ID: 1537973 United States 11/18/2011 02:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bumping. And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. ~ Ezekial 1:4 |
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Rybo (OP) User ID: 1537973 United States 11/18/2011 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The fact that OWS is not focused on DC is evidence that OWS is controlled by pro-Obama forces. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3632012 It does appear that way from where I am sitting. Is this Obama's Tea Party? Do any of you think that these protesters really want Communisim here in the US? Am I just being paranoid? And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. ~ Ezekial 1:4 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1454475 United States 11/18/2011 03:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The OWS protesters seem to want government to "impose" their definition of "fairness" onto society but no one has done any kind of a job explaining just how that is to be done without creating massive authoritarianism. |
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Rybo (OP) User ID: 1537973 United States 11/18/2011 04:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The OWS protesters seem to want government to "impose" their definition of "fairness" onto society but no one has done any kind of a job explaining just how that is to be done without creating massive authoritarianism. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1454475 You make a good point. I don't understand how they can't see just what it is they are asking for? And it all boils down to less freedom, not more. As much as I have tried to ignore them I just can't any longer. I've expected the movement to die off quickly but that isn't happening. There is more behind this movement than I first realized. And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. ~ Ezekial 1:4 |
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Government sacks User ID: 1456020 United States 11/18/2011 04:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wall street runs washington. The bailouts demonstrate this quite effectivly. Should people be pissed? hell yeah. The FED is corrupt. The derivatives market is teetiring under the weight of a decade of decadence and corruption and zero regulation. The securities and exchange commission is owned by the banks. Should people be pissed off hell yeah. Whats your point I dont understand. OWS is just a symptom of a system that is ripe with self dealing pricks. Should the OWS protesters be pissed hell yeah. Please explain why we should be happy with wall street when they are the same companies buying beaurocrats? Pelosi Obongo Geithner Bernanke Paulson Summers the list is endless of self dealing scumbags filling their pockets talking about too big to fail. Its time to hope for a change. Burn the witch!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1454475 United States 11/18/2011 04:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wall street runs washington. The bailouts demonstrate this quite effectivly. Should people be pissed? hell yeah. The FED is corrupt. The derivatives market is teetiring under the weight of a decade of decadence and corruption and zero regulation. The securities and exchange commission is owned by the banks. Should people be pissed off hell yeah. Whats your point I dont understand. OWS is just a symptom of a system that is ripe with self dealing pricks. Should the OWS protesters be pissed hell yeah. Please explain why we should be happy with wall street when they are the same companies buying beaurocrats? Pelosi Obongo Geithner Bernanke Paulson Summers the list is endless of self dealing scumbags filling their pockets talking about too big to fail. Its time to hope for a change. Burn the witch!!! Quoting: Government sacks 1456020 If a politician is bought, it is the fault of the politician. If that politican remains in office, it becomes the fault of the voters. We get, and are getting, the government we deserve. Any system is only what we make of it. I don't hear a word from the OWS protesters about restoring honor and integrity to the system. I only hear that they want it to be altered or replaced with one that gives them more access to the wealth and labor of others. How they expect this new system to operate as intended without demanding any honor or integrity from those tasked with managing it is anyone's guess. |
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Rybo (OP) User ID: 1537973 United States 11/18/2011 04:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wall street runs washington. The bailouts demonstrate this quite effectivly. Should people be pissed? hell yeah. The FED is corrupt. The derivatives market is teetiring under the weight of a decade of decadence and corruption and zero regulation. The securities and exchange commission is owned by the banks. Should people be pissed off hell yeah. Whats your point I dont understand. OWS is just a symptom of a system that is ripe with self dealing pricks. Should the OWS protesters be pissed hell yeah. Please explain why we should be happy with wall street when they are the same companies buying beaurocrats? Pelosi Obongo Geithner Bernanke Paulson Summers the list is endless of self dealing scumbags filling their pockets talking about too big to fail. Its time to hope for a change. Burn the witch!!! Quoting: Government sacks 1456020 Sounds to me like the problem is with the politicians. Shouldn't laws be inacted to prevent the curroption you are speaking of? No one should be happy about curroption in the Government. No where am I condoning these actions. But Wall Street is not the right place for these protester to be venting their anger. You can be angry about some of the garbage that transpired but you have to also ask yourselve why did Companies like Fannie @ Freddy get into the trouble that they did? Was it not American citizens who took on loans for housing that they could not afford? Who made it possible for anybody and his dog to get a home loan when it was clear that this was something that their budget would not support? Where is the personal accountability because believe you me there should be plenty to go around. And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. ~ Ezekial 1:4 |
Rybo (OP) User ID: 1537973 United States 11/18/2011 04:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm all for peaceful protests. But give us a message that is coherent not to mention some real solutions. Take your anger to the corrupt politicians. Not Wall Street where companies who provide many jobs in this country are trying to conduct business. You don't like corruption and neither do I. But what real solutions are being presented? Also you hate the big corporations yet you buy their cloths, you eat their food, and you use their cell phones not to mention many other items that are produced. If you hate them so much and want to hurt them where it counts why not boycott all of these products that were sold by those evil corporations? Just curious... And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. ~ Ezekial 1:4 |
Rybo (OP) User ID: 1537973 United States 11/18/2011 04:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If a politician is bought, it is the fault of the politician. If that politican remains in office, it becomes the fault of the voters. We get, and are getting, the government we deserve. Any system is only what we make of it. I don't hear a word from the OWS protesters about restoring honor and integrity to the system. I only hear that they want it to be altered or replaced with one that gives them more access to the wealth and labor of others. How they expect this new system to operate as intended without demanding any honor or integrity from those tasked with managing it is anyone's guess. And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. ~ Ezekial 1:4 |
Bowyn Aerrow User ID: 1527778 United States 11/18/2011 04:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That was pure propaganda, covering the fact that some companies are too politically connected to fail. Big difference, and one that shows just how much greed there really is. Protesting a president (Bush, Carter, Obama, Reagan - who ever is in the oval office) completely and totally ignores how the Federal Government works. Its the congress, not the president that has the power. Sure, congress cowers behind the President because the president makes for a good solid target. The Veto ability is not all powerful, there are ways around it and at best it only stalls bills. Lastly, Greed is not good. There is too much greed, up and down the ladder. OWS folk just don't get how complicated it really is, or maybe they do and they are only attempting to find a (one) scape goat to vent their frustration on. "My Dog, its full of fleas!" -David Bowwow “A paranoid is someone who knows a little of what's going on. A psychotic is a guy who's just found out what's going on.” - William S. Burroughs |
Rybo (OP) User ID: 1537973 United States 11/18/2011 05:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no such thing as too big to fail. Quoting: Bowyn Aerrow That was pure propaganda, covering the fact that some companies are too politically connected to fail. Big difference, and one that shows just how much greed there really is. Protesting a president (Bush, Carter, Obama, Reagan - who ever is in the oval office) completely and totally ignores how the Federal Government works. Its the congress, not the president that has the power. Sure, congress cowers behind the President because the president makes for a good solid target. The Veto ability is not all powerful, there are ways around it and at best it only stalls bills. Lastly, Greed is not good. There is too much greed, up and down the ladder. OWS folk just don't get how complicated it really is, or maybe they do and they are only attempting to find a (one) scape goat to vent their frustration on. You said "There is no such thing as too big to fail." Which caught my attention and has me thinking. What if those bailouts never took place? What would the consequences of those actions have been if those companies were allowed to fail? Would the private sector have ironed out all of its messes on its own without the Government intervention? Maybe we will never know but I would like to think that the Government intervention really wasn't necessary as I'm a supporter of less Government, not more. Is definitely an interesting thought to think where we all would be right now had the Government not intervened... And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. ~ Ezekial 1:4 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1454475 United States 11/18/2011 05:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The system is corrupt to the core. A reset is needed, not letters to politicians. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1578326 So reset. Then what? Where do we find these perfect, uncorrupted, uncorruptable people to run it? Such people do not and have never existed. That is the whole theory behind a republic and self-governance, to limit power and to limit the damage that one corrupt individual or group and perpetrate on another. Who decides what is "fair"? Some armed force? Bureaucrats? Majority vote? How does it work. Please get past the slogans and flesh out this "reset" that you are talking about. |
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