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Time dilation paradox: if you live at sea level you get old slower than who lives in the mountains

 
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Time dilation paradox: if you live at sea level you get old slower than who lives in the mountains
Gravitational time dilation is the effect of time passing at different rates in regions of different gravitational potential; the lower the gravitational potential, the more slowly time passes. Albert Einstein originally predicted this effect in his theory of relativity and it has since been confirmed by tests of general relativity.

This has been demonstrated by noting that atomic clocks at differing altitudes (and thus different gravitational potential) will eventually show different times

Clocks which are far from massive bodies (or at higher gravitational potentials) run faster, and clocks close to massive bodies (or at lower gravitational potentials) run slower (slow is low). This is because gravitational time dilation is manifested in accelerated frames of reference or, by virtue of the equivalence principle, in the gravitational field of massive objects.

Gravitational time dilation has been experimentally measured using atomic clocks on airplanes. The clocks aboard the airplanes were slightly faster with respect to clocks on the ground. The effect is significant enough that the Global Positioning System's artificial satellites need to have their clocks corrected.

Source: [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Re: Time dilation paradox: if you live at sea level you get old slower than who lives in the mountains
Yes, so....

Whats your point?
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Re: Time dilation paradox: if you live at sea level you get old slower than who lives in the mountains
Over the course of a life time the difference would be less than a second.
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Re: Time dilation paradox: if you live at sea level you get old slower than who lives in the mountains
What they don't tell us: those "nanoseconds" diferences are eternally accumulating.


If an atomic clock had been put on the top of Mount Everest on the year 5000 BC, and another atomic clock had been put on a beach, at sea level, also on the year 5000 BC, what would be the difference of time between the two clocks now, 7000 years later?

It's just "nanoseconds", but those "nanoseconds" are eternally accumulating...


One nanosecond + another nanosecond + another nanosecond + another nanosecond + another nanosecond...

This Universe doesn't make any sense...
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Over the course of a life time the difference would be less than a second.
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And over the course of 150 million years?

What if a clock was put on the top of the Everest during the time of the dinossaurs?
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Re: Time dilation paradox: if you live at sea level you get old slower than who lives in the mountains
shit just got real brah
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Re: Time dilation paradox: if you live at sea level you get old slower than who lives in the mountains
This Universe is utterly absurd.

What if an atomic clock was put in the Moon (that has a much smaller gravitational field than Earth) during the time when the dinossaurs where all over the Earth?

What would be the difference now between that clock and a similar clock on Earth??
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Re: Time dilation paradox: if you live at sea level you get old slower than who lives in the mountains
Mountains to "sea level" - uhm, what about comparing mountains
to the BOTTOM of the SEA . . .
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Re: Time dilation paradox: if you live at sea level you get old slower than who lives in the mountains
Time dilation is so cool...

Maybe we can build a spaceship that allow us returning to Earth at the year 2400 (Earth time), while we'll be only a few decades older... That's time traveling...
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Re: Time dilation paradox: if you live at sea level you get old slower than who lives in the mountains
If you are interested in this stuff learn more about general relativity OP.

The effects are much more pronounced when objects travel very close to light speed. It is hard to get enough mass for objects to very severely effect time dilation.
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Everything is absurd.

Time is absurd.
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Everything is absurd.

Time is absurd.
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Yes. Remember time and space are actually the same thing. Not separate things. That is the only way time dilation is possible.
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Re: Time dilation paradox: if you live at sea level you get old slower than who lives in the mountains
Everything is absurd.

Time is absurd.
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My friend, science is far more mysterious and complex than any new-age dookiebabbling.

“The scientist does not study nature because it is useful; he studies it because he delights in it, and he delights in it because it is beautiful. If nature were not beautiful, it would not be worth knowing, and if nature were not worth knowing, life would not be worth living.”

― Henri Poincaré

Here, read this for starters

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Re: Time dilation paradox: if you live at sea level you get old slower than who lives in the mountains
[link to en.wikisource.org]

Actually, The Measure of Time is a good one too.
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Re: Time dilation paradox: if you live at sea level you get old slower than who lives in the mountains
YA, maybe .000000001 second older.
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Re: Time dilation paradox: if you live at sea level you get old slower than who lives in the mountains
Gets real good at about 4 min in.




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Re: Time dilation paradox: if you live at sea level you get old slower than who lives in the mountains
you age faster in the mountains because you get 4% more UV every 1000 meters of altitude
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:bump;
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Re: Time dilation paradox: if you live at sea level you get old slower than who lives in the mountains
Gravitational time dilation is the effect of time passing at different rates in regions of different gravitational potential; the lower the gravitational potential, the more slowly time passes. Albert Einstein originally predicted this effect in his theory of relativity and it has since been confirmed by tests of general relativity.

This has been demonstrated by noting that atomic clocks at differing altitudes (and thus different gravitational potential) will eventually show different times

Clocks which are far from massive bodies (or at higher gravitational potentials) run faster, and clocks close to massive bodies (or at lower gravitational potentials) run slower (slow is low). This is because gravitational time dilation is manifested in accelerated frames of reference or, by virtue of the equivalence principle, in the gravitational field of massive objects.

Gravitational time dilation has been experimentally measured using atomic clocks on airplanes. The clocks aboard the airplanes were slightly faster with respect to clocks on the ground. The effect is significant enough that the Global Positioning System's artificial satellites need to have their clocks corrected.

Source: [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Perhaps the clocks are affected by so-called gravity (we have never seen "gravitons" particles) rather than the thing measured by the "clocks", that is time. If I move the mechanism of the clock to make the pointers go faster, it doesn't mean time is ticking faster.
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Ah! I live right on the beach - eternal youth!
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Re: Time dilation paradox: if you live at sea level you get old slower than who lives in the mountains
Gravitational time dilation is the effect of time passing at different rates in regions of different gravitational potential; the lower the gravitational potential, the more slowly time passes. Albert Einstein originally predicted this effect in his theory of relativity and it has since been confirmed by tests of general relativity.

This has been demonstrated by noting that atomic clocks at differing altitudes (and thus different gravitational potential) will eventually show different times

Clocks which are far from massive bodies (or at higher gravitational potentials) run faster, and clocks close to massive bodies (or at lower gravitational potentials) run slower (slow is low). This is because gravitational time dilation is manifested in accelerated frames of reference or, by virtue of the equivalence principle, in the gravitational field of massive objects.

Gravitational time dilation has been experimentally measured using atomic clocks on airplanes. The clocks aboard the airplanes were slightly faster with respect to clocks on the ground. The effect is significant enough that the Global Positioning System's artificial satellites need to have their clocks corrected.

Source: [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Perhaps the clocks are affected by so-called gravity (we have never seen "gravitons" particles) rather than the thing measured by the "clocks", that is time. If I move the mechanism of the clock to make the pointers go faster, it doesn't mean time is ticking faster.
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This.
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Re: Time dilation paradox: if you live at sea level you get old slower than who lives in the mountains
This Universe is utterly absurd.

What if an atomic clock was put in the Moon (that has a much smaller gravitational field than Earth) during the time when the dinossaurs where all over the Earth?

What would be the difference now between that clock and a similar clock on Earth??
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In Brazil there was a known musical band called Mamonas Assassinas so you'll understand what I say now. One of the members knew somehow he was gonna die in the plane accident and there has been interviews about it. Anyway he traveled and died. Many people have cancelled their plane or train tickets at the last minute 'cos they felt an urge not to make the trip and saved their lives. There are studies about holographic mind capacity to foresee events. Now the question is how can this be possible unless future is already PRE-RECORDED with multiple alternatives and yet finite numbers. Like those soap operas in Brazil with alternative ending as chosen by the audience 'você decide'.

There's some data backing up the old philosophy and point of view of mathematicians like Poincaré, etc: What? The universe could be a soccer ball cosmos (dodecahedron). With "mirrors" deceiving us thinking the cosmos is bigger than actually is. A holographic onion multu-layer soccer ball universe... so to speak.

Even Stephen Hawkings though the idea the universe with entropy running the opposite direction and like watching the film backwards (like Memento) from the ending to the beginning. In that scenario the dinosaurs you're talking about are not strictly "dead" but somewhere else in the mad history of the universe DVD (or tape film) and we just can't see them because we, like them, are in different isolated FRAMES of that recorded "space".

In a common film, we could say it lasts 2 hours but is just SPACE of DVD or celluloid tape while TIME depends on who has the remote control, doesn't it? If I press slow motion, stop, forward, pause, the TIME is altered though the disc remains the same .....


All events were recorded in a single 'day' but expanded in the baloon cosmos so we're dealing with simultaneous times. The time when the shrunk cosmos existed can't be the same as measured now that is inflated so all meaurements provided by science are wrong. The "beginning' of the supersingularity of events was different from the events now. We could measure that "beginning" in a mustard seed "space" like 24 hours or 6 days and AT THE SAME TIME with other cesium clock read millions of years with the expanded baloon or soccer holographic cosmos.
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good post, OP.


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Gravitational time dilation is the effect of time passing at different rates in regions of different gravitational potential; the lower the gravitational potential, the more slowly time passes. Albert Einstein originally predicted this effect in his theory of relativity and it has since been confirmed by tests of general relativity.

This has been demonstrated by noting that atomic clocks at differing altitudes (and thus different gravitational potential) will eventually show different times

Clocks which are far from massive bodies (or at higher gravitational potentials) run faster, and clocks close to massive bodies (or at lower gravitational potentials) run slower (slow is low). This is because gravitational time dilation is manifested in accelerated frames of reference or, by virtue of the equivalence principle, in the gravitational field of massive objects.

Gravitational time dilation has been experimentally measured using atomic clocks on airplanes. The clocks aboard the airplanes were slightly faster with respect to clocks on the ground. The effect is significant enough that the Global Positioning System's artificial satellites need to have their clocks corrected.

Source: [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Perhaps the clocks are affected by so-called gravity (we have never seen "gravitons" particles) rather than the thing measured by the "clocks", that is time. If I move the mechanism of the clock to make the pointers go faster, it doesn't mean time is ticking faster.
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This.
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This^again
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Ah! I live right on the beach - eternal youth!
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unless you bake yourself in the sun then all bets are off.LOL
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Ah! I live right on the beach - eternal youth!
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unless you bake yourself in the sun then all bets are off.LOL
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nah - I prefer lying in the shade when at the beach :)
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or speak to the earth, and it will teach you,
or let the fish in the sea inform you." - Job 12:7,8

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Re: Time dilation paradox: if you live at sea level you get old slower than who lives in the mountains
just look at it in terms of you can only have 100% space time. the faster you travel in space the less time you experience. so if you are travelling at 99% of the speed of light, which is the threshold of our 'reality' (doesn't mean we can't go past the speed of light), it means you are only experiencing 1% of time.

conversely, if you are moving at 2% of the speed of light then you are experiencing 98% of time. so obv sitting still, one would be experiencing almost ALL time.

so i conclude that if one were to go past the speed of light, then one would experience 'negative' time and thus time travel occurs...or something like that.

i also believe the moon was placed there to influence our perception of time. made us slaves to time so to speak. this is congruent with what the OP said about things spinning slower near large bodies.
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Mountains to "sea level" - uhm, what about comparing mountains
to the BOTTOM of the SEA . . .
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ZOMFG. That just blew my mind.
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Last night I dreamt that I went back in time to save a friend's life, and when I came back to the present, everyone was speaking Russian.

Time travel is a trip.
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Re: Time dilation paradox: if you live at sea level you get old slower than who lives in the mountains
just look at it in terms of you can only have 100% space time. the faster you travel in space the less time you experience. so if you are travelling at 99% of the speed of light, which is the threshold of our 'reality' (doesn't mean we can't go past the speed of light), it means you are only experiencing 1% of time.

conversely, if you are moving at 2% of the speed of light then you are experiencing 98% of time. so obv sitting still, one would be experiencing almost ALL time.

so i conclude that if one were to go past the speed of light, then one would experience 'negative' time and thus time travel occurs...or something like that.

i also believe the moon was placed there to influence our perception of time. made us slaves to time so to speak. this is congruent with what the OP said about things spinning slower near large bodies.
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Interesting thought 'bout the Moon to trigger an illusion. What books don't tell us (tv documentaries either) is for a chrononaut to travel near the speed of light HE NEEDS TO TURN INTO LIGHT and how would you do that with a man made of carbon? It's the same when theu keep spoon-feeding us with ideas about a spaceship entering into a wormhole. The gravitational field would be so unconceivable that what happens is the spaghettization phenomena where the travellers become stretched like macarroni men or the rubber guy from Fantastic Four. I mean men have problems even to breath and they gain too much weigh acceleration G force, imagine that nightmare scenario. Guess what? That idiotic Michio Kaku theoretical physicist is day dreaming 2 much 4 my taste or has seen too much Star Trek, Star Wars and Disney's production The Black Hole.
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Re: Time dilation paradox: if you live at sea level you get old slower than who lives in the mountains
Tell it to these centennials living high up Caucas mountains on the goat cheese





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