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Regarding Fukushima Reactor Nr.4

 
KingDingaLing

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OP....You say, "Only the weak minded People get sick!"

I do realize that the customs and desperation of Japanese people tend to think this way but regardless of what ever the building situations are, you are simply walking dead at this point from the radiation that was released back on March 11th.

I am very sorry and I feel sad for Japan but thinking only weak minded people will fall to radiation sickness is just dumb and ignoring the problem with euphemisms.

Radiation doesn't care if someone is weak minded or very intelligent, the hot particles burn good flash and bad flesh alike and the leukemia eats at all bones strong and weak. Your DNA for breeding future healthy babies has swiss cheese holes eaten into it already.
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bump for facts of life and science
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He does not live beside Reactor #4 so his direct knowledge is not any better than the rest of you. The government is desperately trying to declare everything as back to normal to save the economy. I do not believe for a moment that the plant is stable nor that reactor #4 is stable.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1380038


I never "declared" the Situation is stable,
i want to say this but i can't!
(sadly i am not asked and this time i am no God)

I have also my serious doubts about the Government Declaration tomorrow and i go conform with this Article here:

[link to www.nytimes.com]

The Plant itself is "safer" than in the first Months after
the EQ/ Tsunami
and the real huge disaster is delayed for a few years/decades!

The real Problem i see is the contamination of our Sea
and the huge contamination of America,
i seriously think the People should evacuated,
at least the Children!

Maybe we can bring them to Mexico or Puerto Rico?
G.Y.!B.E.
Atom-Boy  (OP)

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OP....You say, "Only the weak minded People get sick!"

I do realize that the customs and desperation of Japanese people tend to think this way but regardless of what ever the building situations are, you are simply walking dead at this point from the radiation that was released back on March 11th.

I am very sorry and I feel sad for Japan but thinking only weak minded people will fall to radiation sickness is just dumb and ignoring the problem with euphemisms.

Radiation doesn't care if someone is weak minded or very intelligent, the hot particles burn good flash and bad flesh alike and the leukemia eats at all bones strong and weak. Your DNA for breeding future healthy babies has swiss cheese holes eaten into it already.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1106680


bump for facts of life and science
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1431121


This was combined with the fact of Disinformation,
the People who believe/d that Reactor 4 is falling apart
are in a bigger fear and more vulnerable!

I wrote:
Fear- and Scaremongering is the real Shillism,
People who have open Eyes and are awake and smart
will not fall, remember
only the weak minded People get sick!


Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 12/15/2011 09:14 AM
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It is hard for me to blame any Japanese for being in denial.
This situation is a bad dream for the world but
a fucking endless nightmare for Japan.
I wish them the best.

TPTB in Japan that allowed the children to be exposed and contaminated needlessly will be forever remembered and vilified for their callousness and criminal omissions of humanity.

Fukushima could have happened anywhere in the world. Japan is not to blame for that.

However, they are to blame for what has happened since__ especially the lack of protection for the children.

@Atom-bot.
I can't be certain of your motives and responses as you have shown a tendency to flip-flop on the information. I have tried to give you the benefit of the doubt because of the situation you are in. You have gleefully and continually defended the actions of Tepco and that leads me to believe that you do not have the best interests of your own people at heart.

If this is so, stay the fuck off my Fuku thread. You have your own.

I beg you to reconsider your stance and desist from this behavior.

Tepco and their shills are despicable cowards.
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Atom-Boy  (OP)

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@ Waterbug,

i do not need you and your #ing Fukuthread,
since i saw you shaking hands with the Shill from Perth
i lost any interest in you and your thread!

Yes, i have my own, because my thread is owned
by all of us and i would never think to kick the People out!

You are a Nazi-Shill like some other People here
and you totally forget to focus on facts,
you are, like many other People, a victim
of intellectual Incest!

This is sad but it is happen/ed all the Time!

Sometimes i am not easy to understand, this is true
but People should have enough guts to ask when they
don't understand it, we are adults and not childs
who just run away in fear!

And i never defended Tepco!

But i am more than surprised that they handle
the situation since 9 month without a further Explosiondance

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@ Waterbug,

i do not need you and your #ing Fukuthread,
since i saw you shaking hands with the Shill from Perth
i lost any interest in you and your thread!

Yes, i have my own, because my thread is owned
by all of us and i would never think to kick the People out!

You are a Nazi-Shill like some other People here
and you totally forget to focus on facts,
you are, like many other People, a victim
of intellectual Incest!

This is sad but it is happen/ed all the Time!

Sometimes i am not easy to understand, this is true
but People should have enough guts to ask when they
don't understand it, we are adults and not childs
who just run away in fear!

And i never defended Tepco!

But i am more than surprised that they handle
the situation since 9 month without a further Explosiondance
 Quoting: Atom-Boy


Intellectual incest, huh? I guess that's better than genocide.
Tell Tepco for me... Goober says, hey!
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I have been following the situation extremely carefully since the event, from my university in the north east, where we were able to pick up I-131 about 7 days after the big explosions and fires on or about the Ides of march.

I believe that after the reactors exploded and caught fire, there ceased to be anything useful a ground crew could accomplish in terms of mitigating the 'snow-ball' effect of the disaster, OR the MAJOR release of radioactive material from the complex.

By my personal assessment there is very little that can be done at the site that have any impact on scale of the disaster.

I was very much hoping for the integrity of fuel pool number four to remain intact and I believe that in any-case this is very much wishful thinking. I believe that there is still some water in the fuel pool, and that if/when it does collapse, there will be another significant release of material from the complex. Apparently this might be much more close to happening then anyone wants to admit.

I also believe that much of Japan should be considered uninhabitable for humans at this point in time, regardless of future releases.

My recommendation for mitigation of the impact of the accident at this point, is to start burying the entire complex with asphalt from earth-quake damaged areas of Japan, IE most of it. As soon as those reactors exploded, we moved way beyond the 'bright ideas' phase of this whole scenario.

FYI, the spent fuel-pool, is not part of a nuclear reactor, combining them for the sake of terminology makes no sense.
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My recommendation for mitigation of the impact of the accident at this point, is to start burying the entire complex with asphalt from earth-quake damaged areas of Japan, IE most of it. As soon as those reactors exploded, we moved way beyond the 'bright ideas' phase of this whole scenario.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7116965


Are you crazy, why in Asphalt?
And why add all the Rubble from the Tsunami?

Imo. it is much smarter to cool and wait
because i want to see that Corium out of the Containment/ Basement or what so ever!


The Fuel-Pool looks much better than after the Quake
and we can see enough Water inside (common knowledge)

As far as i read they build a new safer construction for the fuel pool:

"The blast at unit 4 did extensive damage to the structural integrity of the building. TEPCO has admitted the blast ignited within both the lower floors and upper floors of the building. A concrete entrance garage can be seen to have the wall panels blown out. An inner staircase was identified as destroyed by TEPCO. There is extensive obvious structural damage. The spent fuel pool has been identified as leaking and unstable. Work cranes have been seen working around the building. The IAEA reported that on May 9th work began to structurally support the floor of the spent fuel pool at unit 4.

Some of the maintenance work scheduled to be done at unit 4 was:

Inspection of the reactor and the main systems.

Inspection and replacement of recirculating pipes

Inspection and replacement of components in the control rod systems

Inspection and replacement of penetration connections
Work to the waste systems"

[link to www.simplyinfo.org]
G.Y.!B.E.
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My recommendation for mitigation of the impact of the accident at this point, is to start burying the entire complex with asphalt from earth-quake damaged areas of Japan, IE most of it. As soon as those reactors exploded, we moved way beyond the 'bright ideas' phase of this whole scenario.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7116965


Are you crazy, why in Asphalt?
And why add all the Rubble from the Tsunami?

Imo. it is much smarter to cool and wait
because i want to see that Corium out of the Containment/ Basement or what so ever!


The Fuel-Pool looks much better than after the Quake
and we can see enough Water inside (common knowledge)

As far as i read they build a new safer construction for the fuel pool:

"The blast at unit 4 did extensive damage to the structural integrity of the building. TEPCO has admitted the blast ignited within both the lower floors and upper floors of the building. A concrete entrance garage can be seen to have the wall panels blown out. An inner staircase was identified as destroyed by TEPCO. There is extensive obvious structural damage. The spent fuel pool has been identified as leaking and unstable. Work cranes have been seen working around the building. The IAEA reported that on May 9th work began to structurally support the floor of the spent fuel pool at unit 4.

Some of the maintenance work scheduled to be done at unit 4 was:

Inspection of the reactor and the main systems.

Inspection and replacement of recirculating pipes

Inspection and replacement of components in the control rod systems

Inspection and replacement of penetration connections
Work to the waste systems"

[link to www.simplyinfo.org]
 Quoting: Atom-Boy


How long are you willing to wait for the corium to cool? Months? Years? Decades? They don't have the means to cool it properly (do they even know where it is?)They can't even get near it enough. If it is so called common knowledge there is enough water inside the pools, please provide a picture/video that will obviously show it.

You still haven't provided any proof number 4 didn't collapse but was "dismantled", and please, don't bullshit me with your tepco roadmap.

Why can't you admit the situation is FUBAR, why do you still trust the judgement of Tepco/IAEA/goverment?

When you or someone out of your family gets sick from the radiation, can you still live with yourself?

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A t o m i c boy is more like it

it is way beyond bad...and 4 is not the creme puff you try and paint


Yes...cold shutdown, with that cold front coming through-YOU BET-dream on MOX lover


Sure, and they are in cold shutdown also.....
 Quoting: -=uVo=-


Well Atom-boy, one thing we know for SURE is the situation AS FAR AS WE KNOW is OUT OF CONTROL.


OUT OF FUCKING CONTROL!! there is no point at all talking as if people are spreading "dis-info" when they are the only ones spreading anything at all.

For "petes" sake "Atom-boy", have a look at the picture, the BIG picture that is!

What? are you being told by your own government????

Dont you realise that you are complicant by not being outspoken???

Dont you realise that it is up to YOU, you have the voice! you have the ability, you are important, as we all are.

A government is here today and gone tomorow, you are here now.

And so is the radiation.

It is invisible. You cannot see it. But it is there all the same. Radiation is DEATH to all living things.

That is why it is buried in the ground. But what did we do??? we dug it up, gathered it together, and made it stronger, then we released it to the earth again, stronger and more.

Your Japan that you know and love is in danger! it is in danger of dying FOREVER!!!

This is the truth. Your government doesnt want you to "worry"

They dont want you to have "anxiety"

All the while your land is falling, while your government is working hard to not tell you.

This is the crime. It is murder. Your children are dying.
They will not tell you, but it is happening.

You can pretend all you wish, you can say things are different then what people say, it is up to you.

You have a soul. You have the truth in your hand. You can commit a crime if you wish, it is up to you.

It is your voice.

When the cancer eats you, you will not have a voice, the govenment will still be there.

What will you do????

it is up to YOU>>>>>>>>>>>>
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I don't think anyone wants to know the truth about anything on this site.
I posted this three times and no one even bothered to look at the videos.
[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to vimeo.com]

I went to some effort to do this.
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I don't think anyone wants to know the truth about anything on this site.
I posted this three times and no one even bothered to look at the videos.
[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to vimeo.com]

I went to some effort to do this.
 Quoting: Don Q 7165049

Sorry links are here


[link to www.youtube.com]
and
[link to vimeo.com]
Atom-Boy  (OP)

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How long are you willing to wait for the corium to cool? Months? Years? Decades? They don't have the means to cool it properly (do they even know where it is?)They can't even get near it enough. If it is so called common knowledge there is enough water inside the pools, please provide a picture/video that will obviously show it.

You still haven't provided any proof number 4 didn't collapse but was "dismantled", and please, don't bullshit me with your tepco roadmap.

Why can't you admit the situation is FUBAR, why do you still trust the judgement of Tepco/IAEA/goverment?

When you or someone out of your family gets sick from the radiation, can you still live with yourself?
 Quoting: -=uVo=-


1. it is out of the reach of my possibility's to cool the Corium by my self tomato
but we can assume that the Core/ Curium
get enough cooling by the amount and types of the Nuclide's,
at the moment i have no confirmation that the Fission is ongoing, not even traces!

2. i told you that it is smart to watch the Videos,
you will see that the Cranes are working (sometimes)
I even recommended you to watch the Time Compressed
Videos, sadly i cant do more for you because i am not
you Mum who need to pre-chew the Food for you!

3. the situation is not "fubar" the situation is deadly serious,
dangerous like never seen before!

4. as i said already 1.000 times i don't trust Tepco or the J-Government!!!
But i use their provided Sources and compare them with the Reality!
I even read the Material provided my the Pro-Nuclear Complex
to get the full picture and all the knowledge that is available for me!

5. after the Quake and Fuku-Ichi we escaped on day 3 in the night to Thailand, it was the wish of my wife to return,
i told her this would be a stupid decision but after a few days i thought it is okay, you cant escape your personal destiny
and our/ this Life is just a tiny part of a huge Puzzle!

ps: do you not think that it would be a very bad PR.
when the Fuel Pool is knowingly falling and in the same
Time Frame we declare the Plant safe???
G.Y.!B.E.
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How long are you willing to wait for the corium to cool? Months? Years? Decades? They don't have the means to cool it properly (do they even know where it is?)They can't even get near it enough. If it is so called common knowledge there is enough water inside the pools, please provide a picture/video that will obviously show it.

You still haven't provided any proof number 4 didn't collapse but was "dismantled", and please, don't bullshit me with your tepco roadmap.

Why can't you admit the situation is FUBAR, why do you still trust the judgement of Tepco/IAEA/goverment?

When you or someone out of your family gets sick from the radiation, can you still live with yourself?
 Quoting: -=uVo=-


1. it is out of the reach of my possibility's to cool the Corium by my self tomato
but we can assume that the Core/ Curium
get enough cooling by the amount and types of the Nuclide's,
at the moment i have no confirmation that the Fission is ongoing, not even traces!

2. i told you that it is smart to watch the Videos,
you will see that the Cranes are working (sometimes)
I even recommended you to watch the Time Compressed
Videos, sadly i cant do more for you because i am not
you Mum who need to pre-chew the Food for you!

3. the situation is not "fubar" the situation is deadly serious,
dangerous like never seen before!

4. as i said already 1.000 times i don't trust Tepco or the J-Government!!!
But i use their provided Sources and compare them with the Reality!
I even read the Material provided my the Pro-Nuclear Complex
to get the full picture and all the knowledge that is available for me!

5. after the Quake and Fuku-Ichi we escaped on day 3 in the night to Thailand, it was the wish of my wife to return,
i told her this would be a stupid decision but after a few days i thought it is okay, you cant escape your personal destiny
and our/ this Life is just a tiny part of a huge Puzzle!

ps: do you not think that it would be a very bad PR.
when the Fuel Pool is knowingly falling and in the same
Time Frame we declare the Plant safe???
 Quoting: Atom-Boy


1. You are 'assuming', 'no confirmation', why don't you admit that you don't know shit about what is really going on? What about the recent clorine-38 findings?
2. I'm glad you're not my mom :), if you are sure it is visible on the videos that they are dismantling number 4, please tell me the time on the vids where it is clear to see that they are actually removing debree.
3. 9 months in, the situations is still fubar! Radiation has spread for 100's of kilometers inland, poisoned the sea and rivers. Import of food is on the up. People involved are starting to drop.
4. You don't trust them, but you are using their sources and materials for proof??????
5. I feel sorry for you and your wife, and for the rest of the Japanese people.
@PS. Tepco and the other criminal organisations are not known for their good PR! Nobody is falling for their lies anymore. They already lost the little credibility they had.
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1. You are 'assuming', 'no confirmation', why don't you admit that you don't know shit about what is really going on? What about the recent clorine-38 findings?
 Quoting: -=uVo=-


Guy, i am not really working for Tepco,
this was just BS by some People who are known for their spreading of BS!
(But the small buggy bug was good before,
i don't know what has happened to him?)

The Chlorine-38 comes not from today, yesterday or even a Month before,
in fact it is much, much older, ca. 6-3 Month!

You can check this via Ex-SFK,
they got a better Translation!


2. I'm glad you're not my mom :), if you are sure it is visible on the videos that they are dismantling number 4, please tell me the time on the vids where it is clear to see that they are actually removing debree.
 Quoting: -=uVo=-


The Dismantling is a very slow Process and to remove
a part of it is a day long Process, it is like playing Mikado in big!

But i will look for a piece of Evidence later!

3. 9 months in, the situations is still fubar! Radiation has spread for 100's of kilometers inland, poisoned the sea and rivers. Import of food is on the up. People involved are starting to drop.
 Quoting: -=uVo=-


The spread of Radiation is nearly Zero at the moment
compared to the first Weeks after 03/11,
it is smaller than 1 Vs. 4.000.000 parts

Until now we have not really nuclear related Deaths,
i am one of the few who are saying and writing that
we need to include the People who died because of the Evacuation,
this are close to 400 People who died by the Evacuation
of Hospitals and Retirement Houses!


4. You don't trust them, but you are using their sources and materials for proof??????
 Quoting: -=uVo=-


Yes, we call this
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

the spreading of lies or disinformation is very difficult
when this Method is used!


5.
@PS. Tepco and the other criminal organisations are not known for their good PR! Nobody is falling for their lies anymore. They already lost the little credibility they had.
 Quoting: -=uVo=-


They get much better lately,
in the days before 03/11 they was much more bad and horrible!

Imo. amazingly that we still buy their Products!
G.Y.!B.E.
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This should be the Fuel Pool of Nr. 4!

At the moment i cant see cranes at work in December
but i will ask for them!

There are cranes at work in june, july, august, september and october!
G.Y.!B.E.
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i suggest you all watch these

[link to www.youtube.com] part1
[link to www.youtube.com] part2



and for another reporter that is in japan try this guy

[link to fukushimaupdate.com]
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This should be the Fuel Pool of Nr. 4!

At the moment i cant see cranes at work in December
but i will ask for them!

There are cranes at work in june, july, august, september and october!
 Quoting: Atom-Boy


That was a very old clip. Back then the building was reasonably intact. I already saw a clip showing debree laying on/in the pool 7 months ago. Can you show a more recent clip of the pool @4?


There was a large part of the building missing around 5 december, clips around that date showing cranes lifting debree would be nice!

Please don't take all my questions/remarks in a bad way. I respect the effort you put in answering me!

Last Edited by -=uVo=- on 12/18/2011 02:00 PM
Atom-Boy  (OP)

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@ uVo,

please check the Tepco Channel, Videos for the Press
and watch 12/17 current View of Fukushima .....

[link to www.tepco.co.jp]

You can see the Dismantling Process at Reactor Nr. 4
and our heroic Front Workers
in perfection tomato

I hope this is the final dot for you
and you can see that
the Problems are less than before!


We must use every piece of Media and we must
do not avoid something because it sound "strange"!

This "Reactor 4 is falling" creates such futile Fear
and the People who bring this up are stupid!

They want that the People reach a Saturation
and get tired of Fuku-Dai-Ichi NPP,
they are the real Shills and Cowards!

We need first to think and not hunting Headlines
like this "Shill from Perth" (the broken condom) is doing,
he is the scum on the ground in a Red light District!

Last Edited by The real and almighty Atom-Boy on 12/19/2011 02:57 AM
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Atom-Boy  (OP)

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bump
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Atom-Boy  (OP)

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I can see now that Ex-Skf also updated, already last Thursday!

[link to ex-skf.blogspot.com]

*Contrary to what you may have heard, the rumor of the collapse of Reactor 4 is, for now, just a rumor. What you have instead is the result of a planned cleanup/demolition by TEPCO.*
G.Y.!B.E.





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