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Massive Methane LEAK in Arctic sea - the End is Nigh

 
TryToGetTheTruth

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Sorry, you hit post first..lol
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Great minds think alike....

Say do you like caves and chicken soup?
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Sorry, I'd be way too old for ya.lol
Open mind required !

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Fine, Ice-sheet, the ice on Land that is sliding into the ocean.
It only hurts for a minute
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Re: Massive Methane LEAK in Arctic sea - the End is Nigh
Weren't you the one saying we'd all be dead in under 6 months?

Or is your future "proof" going to be more isolated BS incidents?
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No, I said there'd be some mass die-offs within 6 months. We won't all be dead. I think, at the current rate of escalation, if it's not too awfully exponential (which it could be, fueled by bacterial growth), then we might have like five years or so, until it's unsurvivable.

But what is unsurvivable, right? I'd say it's when you have a 1/1000 chance of flopping over dead on any particular day. You'd have a lifespan of maybe 3 years, say. That's not long enough for an infant to grow to reproductive age and reproduce, soooo...extinction.

And again, we'll see if the predictions come true. I'll repost them, and my hypothesis as well, as time goes on, so we can see whether it fits the world we see around us or doesn't. And you didn't answer my question: if an entire city DOES burn or flop over dead, would that constitute enough proof, or would you still make up BS to try to hide this reality?
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Fine, Ice-sheet, the ice on Land that is sliding into the ocean.
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No, ice shelf.

Ice sheets are a different matter.

And no, all the ice isn't going to melt like that. That was just mental masturbation. Even the idiots at the IPCC wouldn't predict something that stupid.
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"No, I said there'd be some mass die-offs within 6 months."

Okay, define "mass die offs" right now. And they'd better be for humans.

"if an entire city DOES burn or flop over dead, would that constitute enough proof, or would you still make up BS to try to hide this reality?"

Depends on the cause now doesn't it?

If there are mass riots which cause mass fires, something that has happened in the past, then no, that isn't proof of your claim.

If a flu outbreak kills half a city then you don't get credit for that either.

Proof is very simple:

Measurably high levels of hydrogen sulfide.
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Proof is very simple:

Measurably high levels of hydrogen sulfide.
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Well, you can put on a powered respirator and a detector and stand around waiting for it. Could be just like I just said: 1 in 1000 chance that on any particular day you'll get hit with a knock-dead concentrated cloud of invisible H2S. So, you may have to kinda, well, die to get that proof. And actually, I think that our government would agree with your stance there. We're playing the Death Lottery now. We don't know who the winners are gonna be, but every day we DO know who more of the losers are, as they die.

On the plus side, better employment figures, woohoo! Oh, another prediction: more people 'unexpectedly drop out of the work force'. (Psst: cuz they're dead.)
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60-75% Glacier loss in the last 30 years.

You're a TOOL.... nowhere on this earth has permanent ice-pak increased!

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check this!
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Are you a twat?

Ice-shelves are on the LAND. Greenland and Antarctica.

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Fucking read it and watch the interactive!
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muaahahahahahahahahahaha

mommy... someone took my lollypop

hehehehe
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"The waters around New Zealand for one are warmer"

You mean during your summer?

I'm kidding. I have no idea about the local conditions down in Kiwi-town. Local climate conditions do vary on multi-decade long cycles.

"...we have sharks on our coast that arent meant to be here."

Weird stuff happens all the time. The world is a big place.
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I do hope the methane gets you sooner rather than later. You're a waste of oxygen in your current state!
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Back to bidness. Possibly related:

Thread: Gasline Explosion in Kentucky
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check this!




Fucking Amazing video
It only hurts for a minute
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Are you a twat?

Ice-shelves are on the LAND. Greenland and Antarctica.

[link to www.pbs.org]


Fucking read it and watch the interactive!
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muaahahahahahahahahahaha

mommy... someone took my lollypop

hehehehe
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Maybe you should've kept reading the thread where I showed he was the one who was wrong?

Fucking morons.
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I'll be back, I gotta go hug a Tree or a Bear or something.
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Are you a twat?

Ice-shelves are on the LAND. Greenland and Antarctica.

[link to www.pbs.org]


Fucking read it and watch the interactive!
 Quoting: Sniff&Shit


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muaahahahahahahahahahaha

mommy... someone took my lollypop

hehehehe
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 990640


Maybe you should've kept reading the thread where I showed he was the one who was wrong?

Fucking morons.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7767898


its not about right / wrong.. its funny how people try to defend their views in conspiracy sites...

no need to be emotional about it.. :)
even if you know you're right... remember its a "conspiracy forum"
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A lot of people can't handle the truth.
It only hurts for a minute
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Proof is very simple:

Measurably high levels of hydrogen sulfide.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7767898


Well, you can put on a powered respirator and a detector and stand around waiting for it. Could be just like I just said: 1 in 1000 chance that on any particular day you'll get hit with a knock-dead concentrated cloud of invisible H2S. So, you may have to kinda, well, die to get that proof. And actually, I think that our government would agree with your stance there. We're playing the Death Lottery now. We don't know who the winners are gonna be, but every day we DO know who more of the losers are, as they die.

On the plus side, better employment figures, woohoo! Oh, another prediction: more people 'unexpectedly drop out of the work force'. (Psst: cuz they're dead.)
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Fine, since you have an excuse for actual measured data not showing up, then show an increased level of mass deaths that can be reasonably attributed to this.

And, most importantly, make sure it is both statistically significant and at levels that are a cause for concern.

Because showing news clippings is NOT how you demonstrate statistical significance.
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A lot of people can't handle the truth.
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You are so right and the truth is the earth is hurting because of everything we have done to her. I do meam phisical pain just to clarify. This planet is a living thing and has feelings just like everything else.
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its not about right / wrong.. its funny how people try to defend their views in conspiracy sites...

no need to be emotional about it.. :)
even if you know you're right... remember its a "conspiracy forum"
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[link to blog.pauked.com]
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A lot of people can't handle the truth.
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You are so right and the truth is the earth is hurting because of everything we have done to her. I do meam phisical pain just to clarify. This planet is a living thing and has feelings just like everything else.
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No it isn't.

The planet is fine, especially in the US and Europe. We've done a great deal to help it by releasing some trapped CO2.
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Fine, since you have an excuse for actual measured data not showing up, then show an increased level of mass deaths that can be reasonably attributed to this.

And, most importantly, make sure it is both statistically significant and at levels that are a cause for concern.

Because showing news clippings is NOT how you demonstrate statistical significance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7767898


Nah, you can take your disinfo 101 makework games to another place. I'm content to watch events prove all of my predictions correct, or not, as the case may be. That should be interesting enough.
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A lot of people can't handle the truth.
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You are so right and the truth is the earth is hurting because of everything we have done to her. I do meam phisical pain just to clarify. This planet is a living thing and has feelings just like everything else.
 Quoting: alexisj9


No it isn't.

The planet is fine, especially in the US and Europe. We've done a great deal to help it by releasing some trapped CO2.
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hmm I guess it wasn't trapped for any particular reason then?
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Fine, since you have an excuse for actual measured data not showing up, then show an increased level of mass deaths that can be reasonably attributed to this.

And, most importantly, make sure it is both statistically significant and at levels that are a cause for concern.

Because showing news clippings is NOT how you demonstrate statistical significance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7767898


Nah, you can take your disinfo 101 makework games to another place. I'm content to watch events prove all of my predictions correct, or not, as the case may be. That should be interesting enough.
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You asked what proof would be acceptable and I told you.

Posting clips of pipeline explosions as "proof" of your theory doesn't cut it.
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A lot of people can't handle the truth.
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You are so right and the truth is the earth is hurting because of everything we have done to her. I do meam phisical pain just to clarify. This planet is a living thing and has feelings just like everything else.
 Quoting: alexisj9


No it isn't.

The planet is fine, especially in the US and Europe. We've done a great deal to help it by releasing some trapped CO2.
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hmm I guess it wasn't trapped for any particular reason then?
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Is that some sort of psychic mumbo-jumbo?
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Posting clips of pipeline explosions as "proof" of your theory doesn't cut it.
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Okay, I doubt you'll ever be convinced anyway. And I do not care WHO believes. It is the reality, and whether people do or don't believe it is rather irrelevant. You disagree with me on that. Fine, great.

You've got my hypothesis, and predictions based on it, and it involves both H2S poisoning and methane releases, so I am actually here for a reason: to see if the predictions based on that hypothesis were accurate. Also, to provide some info, to help people extend their lives a bit, if they so choose.
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That same chart is in the EPA study, on page 14
[link to www.epa.gov]

Look at the methane levels up till 2008

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Open mind required !

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That same chart is in the EPA study, on page 14
[link to www.epa.gov]

Look at the methane levels up till 2008
 Quoting: TryToGetTheTruth


Ha! The EPA.

Thanks for giving me a chance to demonstrate how propaganda is done.

Their charts on methane, the scary looking one especially, are made by combining two different sources of data - ice core samples, which have a very poor resolution, and instrumental data (which have a very high resolution).

The problem with ice core data, and I don't expect you to understand any of this, is that the chemicals in it diffuse over time so it doesn't show any spikes.

They also have HUGE margins of error because they simply aren't that good at telling us the atmospheric composition thousands of years in the past to within a few ppb.

Of course, they never actually show you the error bars since they'd take up the entire graph ....but that's how propaganda is done.

Look at the actual instrumental record and you'll see, like I said, a clear logarithmic function (i.e. nothing to worry about).

Fussing over a something that is measured in the parts per billion in the atmosphere, that is far more common in your own body, is ridiculous.
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That same chart is in the EPA study, on page 14
[link to www.epa.gov]

Look at the methane levels up till 2008
 Quoting: TryToGetTheTruth


Ha! The EPA.

Thanks for giving me a chance to demonstrate how propaganda is done.

Their charts on methane, the scary looking one especially, are made by combining two different sources of data - ice core samples, which have a very poor resolution, and instrumental data (which have a very high resolution).

The problem with ice core data, and I don't expect you to understand any of this, is that the chemicals in it diffuse over time so it doesn't show any spikes.

They also have HUGE margins of error because they simply aren't that good at telling us the atmospheric composition thousands of years in the past to within a few ppb.

Of course, they never actually show you the error bars since they'd take up the entire graph ....but that's how propaganda is done.

Look at the actual instrumental record and you'll see, like I said, a clear logarithmic function (i.e. nothing to worry about).

Fussing over a something that is measured in the parts per billion in the atmosphere, that is far more common in your own body, is ridiculous.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7767898


I'm pretty sure the entire staff of EPA knows a little more than YOU, and have calculated the variables when presenting these graphs.
Open mind required !

I am in SOUTHWESTERN ONTARIO, CANADA
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i'm just sayin',
THERE HAVE ALREADY BEEN CASES LIKE THESE!
Lake nyos killed 1700 people. they say it was CO2 comin from the lake but...

well, i know fosho there are more cases like these, but i can't find them.
the gaz stacks up on the ground, cauz it's heavier than air, when it's stacked to 2 meters, you don't even have to think about escaping..

but hey, enjoy your life loserloser
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Russian scientists have discovered hundreds of plumes of methane gas, some 1,000 meters in diameter, bubbling to the surface of the Arctic Ocean. Scientists are concerned that as the Arctic Shelf recedes, the unprecedented levels of gas released could greatly accelerate global climate change.

Igor Semiletov of the Russian Academy of Sciences tells the UK's Independent that the plumes of methane, a gas 20 times as harmful as carbon dioxide, have shocked scientists who have been studying the region for decades. "Earlier we found torch-like structures like this but they were only tens of meters in diameter," he said. "This is the first time that we've found continuous, powerful and impressive seeping structures, more than 1,000 metres in diameter. It's amazing."

Semiletov said that while his research team has discovered more than 100 plumes, they estimate there to be "thousands" over the wider area, extending from the Russian mainland to the East Siberian Arctic Shelf.

"In a very small area, less than 10,000 square miles, we have counted more than 100 fountains, or torch-like structures, bubbling through the water column and injected directly into the atmosphere from the seabed," Semiletov said. "We carried out checks at about 115 stationary points and discovered methane fields of a fantastic scale I think on a scale not seen before. Some plumes were a kilometer or more wide and the emissions went directly into the atmosphere the concentration was a hundred times higher than normal."
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A 1km methane leak accounts as 1/510000000

The Earth surface area is 510 million km^2

Assuming there are at least 1000 leaks, and all are about 1km square. That would be 0.0002% of surface area.

Considering the Earths atmosphere 4,200,000,000 cubic km. It would take decades to make the atmosphere explosive.

Rest easy people, this is a non-doom issue atm.

However, should the oceans encounter a globally universal environment where the methane build up is released simultaneously......well, then were in trouble.
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You don't really grasp the problem. It's the hydrogen sulfide, which is produced when ancient anaerobic bacteria eat methane or biomatter. There is as much methane in the methane hydrates as all the gas and oil reserves on the planet combined. There is also a HUGE amount of biomass in the oceans which - if you hadn't noticed - are ALREADY dying.

There is enough methane and biomass out there to thoroughly poison the atmosphere. Hydrogen sulfide is lethal in 1 part per thousand. One or two breathes and you're history. In lower concentrations it knocks you unconscious, like those 22 Houston students, those 136 Cambodian students, the 5 near Boston, the 60-ish Zappos workers, the family of 5 that sickened in their car in Kentucky this past week, and on and on. Our atmosphere is getting poisoned RIGHT NOW.

It's also a highly flammable gas, and it's heavier than air. Remember those raging Russian fires in 2010? That was also the year the Gulf circulation stalled, making the dead zones grow in size and potency. And now this past year fires all over, from CA to FLA and everywhere in between, and Russia again, and Mexico, and South America, and Australia.

And people are dropping dead from it. 3 corpses found on MSU grounds in a 10-day span of time recently. The guy in the Reno fire who stepped outside to evacuate and immediately dropped dead. The family of four found dead in their pool and bathtub in San Diego. The family of four found dead in their home in the UK last week. It goes on and on and on, corpses everywhere. They're dying in homes all around you, I'm sure, but it looks just like a heart attack, or 'natural causes', and leaves no real trace, no smoking gun, unless the autopsy is done quickly AND the ME knows what to look for - doubtful.

This extinction event has happened before. Here's a science article that ties things together pretty well, though I'm sure the author hoped fervently not to be proven so accurate in his lifetime:

[link to www.scientificamerican.com]

This is why the super-rich are building bunkers in the Himalayas - to minimize dealing with the invisible waves of lethal heavier-than-air gas that is even now building up in our atmosphere.

Oh, as if flammable poison gas wasn't enough to deal with, it's also reacting away our ozone layer, like so: H2S + O3 => H2O + O2 + S. Noticed the Sun getting brighter this past year? Those schoolkids that got 'flash-burned' in Louisiana on an INDOOR field-trip to another school in JANUARY sure noticed. And seals and dolphins are showing up with lesions. That's not from Fukushima. That's from the SUN, as our ozone layer is reacted away to nothing. Noticed all the white buffalos and other albinos, and the four-armed kids, and two-headed turtles and snakes of late? Mutation rates are spiking now, from the increasing UV levels.

Basically, you're gonna need a backup atmosphere, soon.

There is ONE positive here: the unemployment rate should drop as people die off. Well, lo and behold, it just dropped a half point. What was the explanation? That a bunch of people 'unexpectedly dropped out of the work force'. Uh huh, yeah, because they unexpectedly dropped out of BEING ALIVE.
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thanks for scaring the fuck out of me and making me cry for my children
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