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I was going to post this story - but I see it's been done.

I never saw it on GLP because it wasn't pinned.

Too scary for the mods???
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It was karma pinned for a little while. I know because I was the one that pinned it. I felt this was an important enough issue to try to get it seen, even if many don't want to hear it.
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Bump for the morning crowd.

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Bump for the morning crowd.

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Good morning AC.
I was just about to bump this thread and you beat me to it.

I have a question for you. I hope you don't mind me prying..... but, what lead you to believe your friends passings were caused by this? I have to admit that if the same senorio had happened to me, I would have taken the medical professions word for the cause. I'm curious if you work in the field or might possibly have some inside information about the escalation of this methane problem that would cause you to consider hydrogen sulfide.

You just seem very positive about your convictions, even down to the time frame we are looking at.

Thanks for all your info by the way. I have looked on all the other "sites" that would discuss the methane release and none of them discuss your theory about H2s in detail at all. - which also make me wonder if you are prevy to some more advanced info that the rest of us are not.
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Bump for the morning crowd.

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Good morning AC.
I was just about to bump this thread and you beat me to it.

I have a question for you. I hope you don't mind me prying..... but, what lead you to believe your friends passings were caused by this? I have to admit that if the same senorio had happened to me, I would have taken the medical professions word for the cause. I'm curious if you work in the field or might possibly have some inside information about the escalation of this methane problem that would cause you to consider hydrogen sulfide.

You just seem very positive about your convictions, even down to the time frame we are looking at.

Thanks for all your info by the way. I have looked on all the other "sites" that would discuss the methane release and none of them discuss your theory about H2s in detail at all. - which also make me wonder if you are prevy to some more advanced info that the rest of us are not.
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Not privy to anything that anyone else isn't. But I have a bizarre ability to both absorb massive amounts of information AND integrate the data into a whole and form a picture that fits the reality I can observe. Everyone has a knack; that's mine. Solving mysteries, in a sense.

I smelled something funny, so to speak, when I went looking for why there was a clear increase in global quakes. That's when I discovered that USGS had been obfuscating global quake data, and increasingly so, since 2005. They stopped counting 2.5 and below in 2005, and 4.5 and below in 2009. (That's now more than 2/3 of global quakes they don't count now - keeps the numbers looking less alarming.) That told me my government was not only being less than honest, but was actively being DIShonest, to hide...something.

Well, I'm a former soldier, volunteered for combat, etc. I love my country. Yet there I was, confronted by the fact that my government was lying. They wouldn't do that, normally. And the more I looked, the more things I began to find, research vessels going around the world examining ancient archaea near methane vents, for example.

So then I dove into the biology of ancient anaerobic creatures, especially methanarobes, things that eat methane, and their byproduct...H2S. I taught myself what I needed to know to understand some of the complex bio-talk in some of the research papers I found. I read up on how H2S poisoning might have been a cause of many or most extinction events.

I looked for the things that one would expect to see. Dead zones, growing anoxia? Check. Heating oceans? Check. Stalling oceanic circulation? After the BP disaster, check. (I think that was the 'trigger' for the explosion of H2S production, when that Gulf current stopped circulating heat.)

If one hypothesizes that an H2S event is under way, what would one expect to see? Dying animals en masse. Dying plants and trees. Symptoms in humans: dizziness, nausea, headaches, memory loss, speaking in gibberish, muscle tics, anxiety, blah blah blah. Fires, explosions, especially at chemical plants, oil refineries, ammo depots, etc. I found that in the data, large increases in fires at such facilities. And in humans, all over, and growing, 'flu-like illness'. I started watching for dogs dying, and that began happening in England, getting sick on walks or dying. 'Sudden Canine Illness', as if that explained anything.

And then I read that 'Impact From The Deep' paper and bam, it all came clear. It's here, it's happening now, ALL the signs are there, everything points to it. I even understand the gubment hiding this: we need a breakthrough, something huge, maybe several breakthroughs, and we won't get that if civilization collapses, which it will if the masses understand what's not just approaching but HERE now.

So, basically, I just leveraged my ability to absorb data and integrate it, and solved the mystery of WTF IS GOING ON? I have no more doubt at all. This may not be the ONLY doom we face, but we do face this one, and if we don't survive this one then any others are kinda meaningless. That's why Fukushima is being ignored. Why worry about higher cancer rates in the population in five years if there IS no population in five years?
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Thanks Anonymous Coward 1003588

Pretty amazing how you put this all together. And you are right- this would trump them all, if you are correct.

I can't figure why the ones in the know would build underground survival spaces though, if the planet would be uninhabitable for that long. Unless they are just only wanting to live out their life span. I'm glad I'm not one of them. It would be easier to just go than head underground knowing that everything on the surface was not the planet you knew and loved and wouldn't be again for another million years.
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Thanks Anonymous Coward 1003588

Pretty amazing how you put this all together. And you are right- this would trump them all, if you are correct.

I can't figure why the ones in the know would build underground survival spaces though, if the planet would be uninhabitable for that long. Unless they are just only wanting to live out their life span. I'm glad I'm not one of them. It would be easier to just go than head underground knowing that everything on the surface was not the planet you knew and loved and wouldn't be again for another million years.
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Survival of the species. Being underground could just be like being in a mall, but forever. Might not be too awful. Incredibly difficult undertaking though, to move civilization underground. If I was in charge, I'd try it though. And I'd put people on Mars and the Moon too - and I bet they have. Ever looked at some of the JAXA foorage of the back side of the Moon? Rectangular structures, buildings, antennae, bridges, roads that go from crater to crater (to mine water probably). That's what some of that stuff looks like to me - part of Plan B, because the underground idea might not work.

But if they CAN get civilization underground, then they could continue working on ways to bio-engineer that planet back to habitability much faster than a million years. What bacteria are doing to us, maybe some other form of life can UNdo.
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Dead eels:

[link to www.stuff.co.nz]

Must be a case of Sudden Eel Illness.
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not quite doomy enough..sadly in a month or two everything will be the same
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the ele is from fire as the bible says , so it wont be methane , we are burnt ,

why has the denver airport got a roof to widthstand 3000 degrees heat ...

do you lot forget all this ...
just a regular guy who like's to stay regular .....

Turbo lax for fast effective relief ...
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Maybe related:

Thread: I thought the stories of the strange sound were bullsh1t- now in boston

Boston, on the coast, low-lying area. Also, near Boston is where those 5 students at a ceremony at an airport suddenly collapsed unconscious a week or two ago, and Logan Square in Boston was evacuated that same night, ostensibly for a 'gas leak'.
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not quite doomy enough..sadly in a month or two everything will be the same
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If AC 1003588 is right- everyone and everything on the surface is dead in around five years and that is not doomy enough for you????

alrighty then.......
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the ele is from fire as the bible says , so it wont be methane , we are burnt ,

why has the denver airport got a roof to widthstand 3000 degrees heat ...

do you lot forget all this ...
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Humm, did you read this thread? Methane is flammable! so there is your fire (if you are going solely on the bible)

This methane theory will deplete the ozone eventually, so there you have your reason for the Denver Airport roof to protect from intense solar radiation.

Just sayin, don't think your point has been forgoten, maybe proven, but not forgoten.
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ased on what we see in the atmosphere, there is no evidence of substantial increases in methane emissions from the Arctic in the past 20 years.

Scientist are probably to say that to avoid mass panic.
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ased on what we see in the atmosphere, there is no evidence of substantial increases in methane emissions from the Arctic in the past 20 years.

Scientist are probably to say that to avoid mass panic.
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Yeah, we will be lied to. I understand that. Hell, I even agree with it. That doesn't mean I won't be doing my best to dig past the veils of deception and see the truth, no matter how horrible.

Most people would panic. I know *I* did, but the ultimate realization that this was occurring was a night about a year ago. I had already decided it was 99% likely to be occurring, so I'd plastic-sheeted my windows upstairs. As I was doing that, I heard Michelle Obama's voice encouraging people to insulate their homes, and the oddly strong emotion I felt in her voice when I heard her say it. (Which makes sense to me now.)

Suddenly I smelled something in the air, something unusual. Then it kinda faded, which is what H2S does, burns out your olfactory sense fast, so you lose the ability to smell it. And at the same time I heard a man outside on the street running and I heard him chokingly gasp, 'Help!' I was too scared to tear down the sheeting. I heard a car start and then at the same time I heard a hundred or two small thuds as something - a bunch of somethings - hit the roof of the garage across my street, not all at once, but thud-a-thud-thud over maybe 3-5 seconds.

I heard the car drive, but then it just died out, couldn't have made it 50 feet (though again, I wasn't about to open up my protection and LOOK). I called 911 and explained that I'd just heard what sounded like dead birds hitting the garage across the street and that I'd heard a man yelling for help. (And it sounded more like a death rattle to me.) The female 911 operator asked me if they should send the police over.

THAT was when I REALLY got scared. They aren't supposed to even ask that question. What if someone's holding a gun to someone's head? They are ALWAYS supposed to send the police. Suddenly paranoid, I told them no thanks and hung up. No cops ever showed up. However, about 30 minutes later - at maybe 3:30 AM, mind you - I heard a street sweeper come down the street (probably picking up the bird carcasses). I heard the guy's car start and park. When I dared look outside in the light of the next morning, nothing was amiss.

That's when I deduced that the human die-off was happening all over, and being hidden, as best they can. That next day I was on my front porch. Nice neighbor across the street, single guy, had gone to work. I saw a man in his backyard. Then smoke started coming from his fireplace. An hour or two later I saw the man again, and shortly thereafter my neighbor's fireplace was off, and the smoke stopped. I think 'they' BROKE IN and started the fireplace, to burn out whatever H2S was in there. I honestly thought it was HE, my neighbor, who had died, but obviously not.

Anyway, after that, I panicked. I rented a van and hit the road, saw some sights, said goodbye to the giant sequioas, spent a month calming down and wrapping my mind around this shit. That's why I'm calm about it NOW: because I already HAD my panic phase.

Now, I just bear witness to the event, and mourn the dead, try to think of anything that might help.
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That is bad, bad news. Methane is what ancient anaerobic bacteria in the 'dead zones' of the oceans eat, which spew hydrogen sulfide. That will provide them a nigh limitless supply of food, and when bacteria have limitless food...

Well, I was hoping for a while that we could mine the methane hydrates, use them as an energy source. Burning it converts it into CO2, not good, but better than methane and waaaaay better than hydrogen sulfide. But it's too late for that, obviously; no time to ramp up infrastrucure for that now.

So, what are the choices? We could arm subs with powerful lasers and purposely detonate the methane hydrate deposits as they begin to dissociate (melt). That would produce some HUGE explosions. I kinda wonder if that wasn't what caused that Virginia quake. Not sure we have enough subs though. We could use nukes too, and that'd probably burn off the methane more effectively, but has the obvious drawback of needing to nuke most of the coastlines in the northern hemisphere (which is where most methane hydrate deposits are located).

Or we could just let the Earth do her thing, as she has before, and then we end up with a deadly poisonous and explosively flammable atmosphere for the next few million years.

Tough call there.
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What about Super Heros? Can't Captain Lightning or Flash Gordon DO something???
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ased on what we see in the atmosphere, there is no evidence of substantial increases in methane emissions from the Arctic in the past 20 years.

Scientist are probably to say that to avoid mass panic.
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Suddenly I smelled something in the air, something unusual. Then it kinda faded, which is what H2S does, burns out your olfactory sense fast, so you lose the ability to smell it. And at the same time I heard a man outside on the street running and I heard him chokingly gasp, 'Help!' I was too scared to tear down the sheeting. I heard a car start and then at the same time I heard a hundred or two small thuds as something - a bunch of somethings - hit the roof of the garage across my street, not all at once, but thud-a-thud-thud over maybe 3-5 seconds.

I heard the car drive, but then it just died out, couldn't have made it 50 feet (though again, I wasn't about to open up my protection and LOOK). I called 911 and explained that I'd just heard what sounded like dead birds hitting the garage across the street and that I'd heard a man yelling for help. (And it sounded more like a death rattle to me.) The female 911 operator asked me if they should send the police over.

THAT was when I REALLY got scared. They aren't supposed to even ask that question. What if someone's holding a gun to someone's head? They are ALWAYS supposed to send the police. Suddenly paranoid, I told them no thanks and hung up. No cops ever showed up. However, about 30 minutes later - at maybe 3:30 AM, mind you - I heard a street sweeper come down the street (probably picking up the bird carcasses). I heard the guy's car start and park. When I dared look outside in the light of the next morning, nothing was amiss.

That's when I deduced that the human die-off was happening all over, and being hidden, as best they can. That next day I was on my front porch. Nice neighbor across the street, single guy, had gone to work. I saw a man in his backyard. Then smoke started coming from his fireplace. An hour or two later I saw the man again, and shortly thereafter my neighbor's fireplace was off, and the smoke stopped. I think 'they' BROKE IN and started the fireplace, to burn out whatever H2S was in there. I honestly thought it was HE, my neighbor, who had died, but obviously not.

Anyway, after that, I panicked. I rented a van and hit the road, saw some sights, said goodbye to the giant sequioas, spent a month calming down and wrapping my mind around this shit. That's why I'm calm about it NOW: because I already HAD my panic phase.

Now, I just bear witness to the event, and mourn the dead, try to think of anything that might help.
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Rad script. It would make a killer TV series.
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That is bad, bad news. Methane is what ancient anaerobic bacteria in the 'dead zones' of the oceans eat, which spew hydrogen sulfide. That will provide them a nigh limitless supply of food, and when bacteria have limitless food...

Well, I was hoping for a while that we could mine the methane hydrates, use them as an energy source. Burning it converts it into CO2, not good, but better than methane and waaaaay better than hydrogen sulfide. But it's too late for that, obviously; no time to ramp up infrastrucure for that now.

So, what are the choices? We could arm subs with powerful lasers and purposely detonate the methane hydrate deposits as they begin to dissociate (melt). That would produce some HUGE explosions. I kinda wonder if that wasn't what caused that Virginia quake. Not sure we have enough subs though. We could use nukes too, and that'd probably burn off the methane more effectively, but has the obvious drawback of needing to nuke most of the coastlines in the northern hemisphere (which is where most methane hydrate deposits are located).

Or we could just let the Earth do her thing, as she has before, and then we end up with a deadly poisonous and explosively flammable atmosphere for the next few million years.

Tough call there.
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What about Super Heros? Can't Captain Lightning or Flash Gordon DO something???
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Heh, I wish.

I think CERN and the Higgs Boson is sorta like that, one of those breakthroughs that might make a huge difference.

Two years ago, if you'd mentioned UFOs and ETs to me, I would have scoffed. Not anymore. I saw one in the sky over my back yard a couple of months ago. It did something incredible, though I doubt most people would have seen it that way: it changed course 180 degrees INSTANTLY. A plane was passing it, moving fast, going the opposite way. After the plane passed, this light changed direction instantly, and followed the plane, until both left my sight. I don't mean this light did a fast, hard turn. It didn't turn at all. It simple was INSTANTLY going in the opposite direction.

Most people see these things and never even question the physics. I will tell you: what that object did, whatever it was, we can't do that. Anything inside it would have been torn apart by G forces beyond imagining, unless...

...unless the object had ZERO MASS (or close to it).

So, by observing these UFOs, humans have deduced, just as I have, that they can reduce the mass of a volume, or the mass of an object, to zero, or near-zero. Zero mass, zero inertia, zero momentum - instant course changes and massive acceleration suddenly becomes possible.

So maybe we haven't been able to reverse-engineer that technology, but maybe just knowing that it's POSSIBLE is enough. That leads us to the Higgs Field and the Higgs Boson. I think CERN is working very hard on this, because this one capability is the difference between a Type <1 civilization (Kardashev scale) and a Type 1+ civilization.

I'm still trying to wrap my brain around all the things that become possible if you can alter the Higgs Field and change the mass of a volume. So much that is otherwise impossible becomes possible, up to and including moving planets. But smaller than that, access to space: how much energy does it take to move a volume with zero mass, how much engine power. NOT MUCH!

This CERN endeavor is the super-hero you're looking for. Just imagine being able to build a construct 100 miles wide, 100 miles long and 100 miles deep. A million CUBIC miles. That would fit...everyone, with room for food, water, anything. Then screw this planet while it goes into gas chamber mode.
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A 1km methane leak accounts as 1/510000000

The Earth surface area is 510 million km^2

Assuming there are at least 1000 leaks, and all are about 1km square. That would be 0.0002% of surface area.

Considering the Earths atmosphere 4,200,000,000 cubic km. It would take decades to make the atmosphere explosive.

Rest easy people, this is a non-doom issue atm.

However, should the oceans encounter a globally universal environment where the methane build up is released simultaneously......well, then were in trouble.
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You don't really grasp the problem. It's the hydrogen sulfide, which is produced when ancient anaerobic bacteria eat methane or biomatter. There is as much methane in the methane hydrates as all the gas and oil reserves on the planet combined. There is also a HUGE amount of biomass in the oceans which - if you hadn't noticed - are ALREADY dying.

There is enough methane and biomass out there to thoroughly poison the atmosphere. Hydrogen sulfide is lethal in 1 part per thousand. One or two breathes and you're history. In lower concentrations it knocks you unconscious, like those 22 Houston students, those 136 Cambodian students, the 5 near Boston, the 60-ish Zappos workers, the family of 5 that sickened in their car in Kentucky this past week, and on and on. Our atmosphere is getting poisoned RIGHT NOW.

It's also a highly flammable gas, and it's heavier than air. Remember those raging Russian fires in 2010? That was also the year the Gulf circulation stalled, making the dead zones grow in size and potency. And now this past year fires all over, from CA to FLA and everywhere in between, and Russia again, and Mexico, and South America, and Australia.

And people are dropping dead from it. 3 corpses found on MSU grounds in a 10-day span of time recently. The guy in the Reno fire who stepped outside to evacuate and immediately dropped dead. The family of four found dead in their pool and bathtub in San Diego. The family of four found dead in their home in the UK last week. It goes on and on and on, corpses everywhere. They're dying in homes all around you, I'm sure, but it looks just like a heart attack, or 'natural causes', and leaves no real trace, no smoking gun, unless the autopsy is done quickly AND the ME knows what to look for - doubtful.

This extinction event has happened before. Here's a science article that ties things together pretty well, though I'm sure the author hoped fervently not to be proven so accurate in his lifetime:

[link to www.scientificamerican.com]

This is why the super-rich are building bunkers in the Himalayas - to minimize dealing with the invisible waves of lethal heavier-than-air gas that is even now building up in our atmosphere.

Oh, as if flammable poison gas wasn't enough to deal with, it's also reacting away our ozone layer, like so: H2S + O3 => H2O + O2 + S. Noticed the Sun getting brighter this past year? Those schoolkids that got 'flash-burned' in Louisiana on an INDOOR field-trip to another school in JANUARY sure noticed. And seals and dolphins are showing up with lesions. That's not from Fukushima. That's from the SUN, as our ozone layer is reacted away to nothing. Noticed all the white buffalos and other albinos, and the four-armed kids, and two-headed turtles and snakes of late? Mutation rates are spiking now, from the increasing UV levels.

Basically, you're gonna need a backup atmosphere, soon.

There is ONE positive here: the unemployment rate should drop as people die off. Well, lo and behold, it just dropped a half point. What was the explanation? That a bunch of people 'unexpectedly dropped out of the work force'. Uh huh, yeah, because they unexpectedly dropped out of BEING ALIVE.
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thanks for scaring the fuck out of me and making me cry for my children
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we are all here but for a blink of an eye. None never knows when our number is up. Your children may be very famous for curing some horriable disese. Don't give up be strong.
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sockpuppet Dinosuers didn't have thumbs. sockpuppet

BP and Exxon probably have their scientists working on capturing the methane. sockpuppet
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ased on what we see in the atmosphere, there is no evidence of substantial increases in methane emissions from the Arctic in the past 20 years.

Scientist are probably to say that to avoid mass panic.
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Yeah, we will be lied to. I understand that. Hell, I even agree with it. That doesn't mean I won't be doing my best to dig past the veils of deception and see the truth, no matter how horrible.

Most people would panic. I know *I* did, but the ultimate realization that this was occurring was a night about a year ago. I had already decided it was 99% likely to be occurring, so I'd plastic-sheeted my windows upstairs. As I was doing that, I heard Michelle Obama's voice encouraging people to insulate their homes, and the oddly strong emotion I felt in her voice when I heard her say it. (Which makes sense to me now.)

Suddenly I smelled something in the air, something unusual. Then it kinda faded, which is what H2S does, burns out your olfactory sense fast, so you lose the ability to smell it. And at the same time I heard a man outside on the street running and I heard him chokingly gasp, 'Help!' I was too scared to tear down the sheeting. I heard a car start and then at the same time I heard a hundred or two small thuds as something - a bunch of somethings - hit the roof of the garage across my street, not all at once, but thud-a-thud-thud over maybe 3-5 seconds.

I heard the car drive, but then it just died out, couldn't have made it 50 feet (though again, I wasn't about to open up my protection and LOOK). I called 911 and explained that I'd just heard what sounded like dead birds hitting the garage across the street and that I'd heard a man yelling for help. (And it sounded more like a death rattle to me.) The female 911 operator asked me if they should send the police over.

THAT was when I REALLY got scared. They aren't supposed to even ask that question. What if someone's holding a gun to someone's head? They are ALWAYS supposed to send the police. Suddenly paranoid, I told them no thanks and hung up. No cops ever showed up. However, about 30 minutes later - at maybe 3:30 AM, mind you - I heard a street sweeper come down the street (probably picking up the bird carcasses). I heard the guy's car start and park. When I dared look outside in the light of the next morning, nothing was amiss.

That's when I deduced that the human die-off was happening all over, and being hidden, as best they can. That next day I was on my front porch. Nice neighbor across the street, single guy, had gone to work. I saw a man in his backyard. Then smoke started coming from his fireplace. An hour or two later I saw the man again, and shortly thereafter my neighbor's fireplace was off, and the smoke stopped. I think 'they' BROKE IN and started the fireplace, to burn out whatever H2S was in there. I honestly thought it was HE, my neighbor, who had died, but obviously not.

Anyway, after that, I panicked. I rented a van and hit the road, saw some sights, said goodbye to the giant sequioas, spent a month calming down and wrapping my mind around this shit. That's why I'm calm about it NOW: because I already HAD my panic phase.

Now, I just bear witness to the event, and mourn the dead, try to think of anything that might help.
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This is a really good post. Even if you're just adept at fiction, good post none-the-less.
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Putting some H2S links together in one place, for those seeking more info on the subject.

Wiki info on hydrogen sulfide:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Canadian Center for Occupational Health and Safety document about hydrogen sulfide:
[link to www.ccohs.ca]

Sensory and Cognitive Effects of Acute Exposure to Hydrogen Sulfide:
[link to www.scribd.com]

Document explaining H2S in relation to mass extinctions (thanks to the person who provided this pdf link):
[link to www.chicagocleanpower.org]

Wiki info on the Permian-Triassic extinction event:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Wiki info about the Claus process:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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bump for the morning crowd.
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12/17/2011 09:40 AM
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Maybe related:

Thread: Singapore Subway Grinds to a HALT: REASONS YET UNKNOWN

Anytime I see subway problems now, I have to wonder, because H2S is heavier than air and would accumulate in subways. And I wonder, also, when it's an "electrical problem", because H2S ignites with a spark AND it also reacts with - corrodes - copper. (Which also probably explains all the transformers blowing up this past year, especially the underground ones that are blowing manhole covers off from LA to NYC.)
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12/17/2011 11:01 AM
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Maybe related:

Thread: Singapore Subway Grinds to a HALT: REASONS YET UNKNOWN

Anytime I see subway problems now, I have to wonder, because H2S is heavier than air and would accumulate in subways. And I wonder, also, when it's an "electrical problem", because H2S ignites with a spark AND it also reacts with - corrodes - copper. (Which also probably explains all the transformers blowing up this past year, especially the underground ones that are blowing manhole covers off from LA to NYC.)
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Good catch - keep em coming.......

I just visited that thread and no mention of H2S as a possible cause. It seems very few on this site are paying any attention to this thread.

I guess it is more hopefull to most to dwell on possible war or Euro collaps. At least they could scavange for food, possibly have to shoot their neighbors to survice and have to adjust to a way of life that they can't even begin to comprehend but they would be still be alive. That thought seems to be eaiser for most to digest. (I'm not sure why, I find that thought much, MUCH more terrifying)
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12/17/2011 11:27 AM
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There's a thread today about large numbers of schools being torn down and rebuilt, with smaller windows and such, so they look like detention facilities. I think that's related too - the bigger and more numerous the windows, the more places for the gas to seep in. And schools are where it's VERY hard to hide the health problems, like those six kids at Leroy school in NY who suddenly came down with a Tourette's-like condition complete with muscle tics and such. H2S poisons all parts of the body, but neurology more than any other. I think it's the neurological damage that's causing the Tourette's-like stuff and the people speaking gibberish - the 'burtations'.

And NYC is doing some kind of extensive subway maintenance too, in Janurary or February, I forget which. There was a thread about that a coupla weeks ago I think.
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12/17/2011 12:18 PM
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If you start to notice these symptoms you better realize something isn't right!

The non-lethal effects can be summarized as neurological consisting of symptoms such
as dizziness, vertigo, agitation, confusion, headache, somnolence, tremulousness, nausea,
vomiting, convulsions, dilated pupils, and unconsciousness, and pulmonary with symptoms
including cough, chest tightness, dyspnea (shortness of breath), cyanosis (turning blue from lack
of oxygen), hemoptysis (spitting or coughing up blood), pulmonary edema (fluid in the lungs),
and apnea with secondary cardiac effect
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12/17/2011 12:41 PM
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If you start to notice these symptoms you better realize something isn't right!

The non-lethal effects can be summarized as neurological consisting of symptoms such
as dizziness, vertigo, agitation, confusion, headache, somnolence, tremulousness, nausea,
vomiting, convulsions, dilated pupils, and unconsciousness, and pulmonary with symptoms
including cough, chest tightness, dyspnea (shortness of breath), cyanosis (turning blue from lack
of oxygen), hemoptysis (spitting or coughing up blood), pulmonary edema (fluid in the lungs),
and apnea with secondary cardiac effect
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And look at those symptoms. See how easy it is to disguise this, just by calling it 'flu-like illness'. And WTF does that even mean? An illness that isn't the flu, but has similar or identical symptoms. That doesn't tell you what's making you ill; that tells you what's NOT making you ill: the flu.

And when it hits dogs, it's 'Sudden Canine Illness'. It's like once you attach a name to a sickness, the public rolls over and goes to sleep. Might as well just use a more generic term, like 'Sudden Everything's Dying Syndrome'.
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12/17/2011 01:05 PM
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Here's a death I find suspicious enough to believe was H2S poisoning:

[link to news.sky.com]

Couple in their 40s found dead outside their car on a farm. No other details. I would guess the police are baffled because if it was H2S then there would be no real sign, just two corpses. And unless you do the autopsy within 6 or 8 hours of the deaths then there's no real particular evidence other than a somewhat elevated amount of harmless sulfates, which could be caused by many things, and might not have anything to do with it anyway. And even if the ME was suspicious of that, H2S would not be likely to be anywhere near the top of his list of possibilities unless the corpses were near a septic tank or landfill. Ultimately, they will not be able to come up with a conclusive reason for this couple dying if it was H2S. (Doesn't mean they can't make one up though.)
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12/17/2011 01:26 PM
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link to pics of the dying animals. So sad.

[link to hisz.rsoe.hu]
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12/17/2011 02:32 PM
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Woman found dead sitting against a tree:
[link to www.thedenverchannel.com]

Woman's body found near lake:
[link to www.mysuburbanlife.com]

Man found dead in pool:
[link to www.app.com]

Woman found dead in pool:
[link to www.ealinggazette.co.uk]

18-year-old found dead in her home:
[link to staffslive.co.uk]

And so on...lotsa bizarre deaths happening. Lots in pools, tubs, hot tubs, etc. I wonder if the H2S is getting into the water supply, or whether it's just that it's heavier-than-air and settles to low-lying ground, which just happens to be where water settles too.
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12/17/2011 02:38 PM
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with any luck, betelgeuse will induce yellowstone to erupt, which will ignite all the methane, slowing our orbit around the sun so that Toutatis hits us head on!

fingers crossed!
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cruise

DOOM ON!!!





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