I Didn't Believe the talk about the Sun being out of place..

It took a l o n g time for people to accept that the earth was not flat, too.

Argument from incredulity is a logical fallacy. Prove me wrong Volar. You claim to have a telescope with identical optics, you could make the same exact measurement with identical resolution without even polar aligning the telescope. The actual method simply calls for you to point it at the north celestial pole and leave the tracking off for about half an hour while you take a picture. What could be easier? Put up or shut up time pal.

So very true, old guard. Archaeology suffers the same way.

Volar, you rock!

Where are Volar's measurements? Oh right, they don't exist, meanwhile...
Thread: There is no physical "pole shift." (Update: There is still no physical "pole shift.")
I hate to keep harping on this, I really do, but the fact is that I put my money where my mouth is... now why don't any of you do the same and repeat my measurements for yourselves? Oh yeah, it might threaten your religious beliefs...

Planet X? You're still talking about that?

The planet that was supposed to return before 2012?

You've got about 2 weeks.

Time for the next White Lie.


Zetas Wrong Again Since 1995.

Unfortunately for your ridiculous thesis, proper statistical analysis shows there hasn't been any major increase in earthquakes, volcanoes, or any other natural processes of the earth.

You can easily get detailed data going back over 100 years (and slightly less accurate data going back about 4,000 years!) and check the figures. Guess what it shows - no major change in frequency, and no major changes in intensity / magnitude.

Of course, if you'd like to do your own analysis and post your results here...

The Zetas are still working on the list of who's naughty or nice and had to extend the deadline.

Debating with you would be too easy, for the simple reason no-one agrees with your idea that everything is normal. I will not become a truth tutor for each, and every person that challenges me, when it is obvious they haven’t got a clue to begin with.

Ah yes, yet another GLP genius using lawn furniture to make astronomical measurements.

Jesus Christ, are you people really this fucking stupid?

The sun in North-facing windows in summer is what got my attention on this subject. It is also below the gable above this South facing window at NOON during winter.
It's the tilt of the Earth related to the Sun that has changed. The mainland U.S. is now inside the 'tropical zone'.

LOL - sidestepping the debate doesn't make you right I'm afraid. And I think the majority of educated people would agree that I'm right, when shown the data.

If debating would be easy, why are you so determined to avoid it?

If you have actual data which shows increasing earthquake and volcanic activity, then why not post it, or post a link to it? That would prove once and for all that we "debunkers" are wrong. That alone would give your claims a huge boost.

However, if this is more of a "belief" you have that activity has increased, then of course you can't prove it. You can cling to irrational beliefs only for so long, and one day you'll have to face the reality that you were wrong.

Yet more claims that are demonstrably false.

How the fuck do you know that?

How did you measure that?

Yea its been rising weird, on my way to work the suns usually straight in my eyes where my car wont block it with the viser, but now its in front of my visers blocking it perfectly. Same situation was on my way home, now i have no sun in my face. Or maybe it was the daylight savings lol

well they said something about how the Japan earthquake knocked the Earth off of it's axis, maybe that has something to do with it?

Simples!

It's easily measurable by anyone who has a camera that can do long-ish exposures, or can at least be adjusted to photograph stars. Just point it at the north celestial pole, and either take a time exposure, or a series of shots over a period of time.

Since the stars move in circles around the celestial pole it's very easy to see that Polaris is still doing the same, and with a bit of simple maths you can work out how far away it is.

And when you do that you find it's still at the correct distance, which it wouldn't be if the earth's rotational axis had changed.

Of course, as before, I don't expect anyone who "believes" in the pole shift will actually do any measurements, or even try to observe the movement of Polaris. I'm beginning to doubt if there's any evidence that could be presented that would actually convince them they're wrong...

Polaris is the North Star because the axis of the earth is pointed towards it (though just slightly off) so that throughout the night all the other stars appear to circle around it.

If the sun were really in the "wrong" place, that would meant the axis of the earth would have actually changed, the axis would point somewhere else in the sky and the seeming rotation of the entire sky would be off.

That would be visible to anyone with even the slightest sky watching experience.

OMFSM!

Just when I wanted to get some sleep.

Sorry, couldn't help it ;)

True. The Sun is out of position, when setting. The axis has changed.

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Your cult is wrong and wrong again.
Thread: The sun is still right where it should be in the sky! *Update on page 2 for 12-19-12
Thread: There is no physical "pole shift." (Update: There is still no physical "pole shift.")

That's right, ignore the facts, avoid debate, dismiss the evidence and refuse to do any real research of your own. Par for the course I suppose.

Yes, posting links to well and truly debunked web sites will really prove your claims.

BTW, how did that pole shift go for you back there in 2003? I kind of missed it myself, since I was paying attention to what was actually happening in the skies, but I'm sure you believers really did experience some kind of major shift in your poles...

Happy winter soltice.

Check your local Stonehenge.

Cheers!!

Now the sun will start moving north again, and all these threads will mysteriously die.

Don't worry though, in about six months the threads about "the sun is too far north" will start :)

Have a nice crimbo!!

THE SUN IN A BEER CAN:
For the past six months Jan Koeman of Kloetinge, the Netherlands, has used an empty beer can to record the sun's daily motion across the Dutch sky.

[link to spaceweather.com]

(Scroll down half way.)

Cool! I remember that when it was originally up on SpaceWeather, and it's a neat demonstration of how the sun moves.

Of course anybody can do similar experiments, and make measurements. The problem is that they show the sun is moveing exactly as it should, and that the earth's axis is still exactly where it's always been.

And that's why those with a religious belief that there's something happening won't ever, ever actually do these kinds of observations themselves...

And, of course, Mannhattanhenge precisely lined up this year as usual with millions of potential witnesses and lots of photographers there to document it:

[link to gothamist.com]