I need ways to trick MY parents into thinking I swallowed a pill!

working in reverse here...

Great quote, the fact that I am alive reminds me constantly that I still have time to shed some of this energy unto my surroundings. And I am wasted potential, I am 25, roughly halfway through, til I reach the otherside, and I am not where I wish to be.

Ignoring your problems is only beneficiary in a ephemeral way, it's merely doing what you state here: "so many stashed in emotions it over flowed"
You've gotta balance your release and withholding of your energies.

Deep thoughts (yes even the bad ones) are good when done under the right circumstance. Having deep thoughts while damning yourself is not the way to go, you've gotta be able to take a step back, out of your self and objectively try to understand the motivators behind your moods and reactions. While the subject matter you happen to graze upon may be depressing, it will only help you in the long run to understand yourself more, perhaps you are scared of thinking too deeply because you are afraid to confront something.

The world is negative, every action you do is selfish, don't take it in a bad light, but you do things, even selfless things to feel a certain way, even if you don't think so. The world is innately selfish!

When you look inside, you gotta remember and honor each and every one of those things you hid inside yourself they are treasure, after all you did bury them. After you acknowledge them, only can you then work them out.

Every memory is like a wound. You can pack it up properly and ensure one badass scar you'll always look back on with nostalgia, or you can keep picking the scabs off the memories, and reliving the pain (or pleasure) of it. You dwell on it keeping it "fresh" in your thoughts until it festers and then you grow resentful of it, to the point where it kills you unless you amputate it from yourself.
Let old wounds heal, stop picking the scabs and drawing fresh blood.

It's not us humans that are innately negative. Some are, I understand this.
It's truly the environment. Take a cursory look at the world, and the only motivators for life is survival of the fittest. So yeah, life sucks innately, I guess you just gotta do your part to make it a little better, yea?

Life before society used to be played out on a stage where the only thing that mattered was instinct and adapting to our surroundings to preserve life. The focus of life has changed though ever since the development of advanced cultures, what replaced predators and parasites was social etiquette and social standing, what replaced the need for adapting is conforming. Instead of losing our physical life- we now die spiritually/emotionally.

Let go of all of this, rise above the need to conform or adapt. In this day in age, if you conform that means you hold your tongue and swallow the pill, to adapt means to do the same damn thing. Don't take the path of least resistance, fight for what you believe.

I wish I could say that I am as optimistic as I sound, and it's not that I don't feel the way I say I do, but truly; life through my eyes is not as glamorous as it sounds.
I have a lot of self loathing.

Also give yourself more credit ffs!

Never used it , but will take advice

I really think 5htp with Essential fatty acids would do wonders for you. Your parents sound like they are brainwashed by the Pharm companies. Here is the thing 5htp and EFA's have being widely studied. Look for studies online print them and show them to them. After they read it have a conversation with them. But before you do that read as much as possible on those two and become familiar and knowledgeable about them

nope. just a lot of bs bureaucracy. but if you can prove to a judge that you are capable for caring for yourself, etc. etc. (like, do you have a job) they will grant you emancipation and you will be a legal adult. this means exactly what is says. so if you are not ready to be totally responsible for yourself then this is not the way to go.

again, i would just explain to them that if they try to force you to do something against your will that you will press charges. they can not kick you out at 16, it is illegal. explain to them you know your rights, and if you have to go seek legal council.

generally, if you can let them know you have done your research, and you can articulately explain your position on why you are refusing to poison your body and mind, and explain all of the ways you could fight them on the subject (hell, right a report if you have to) then they should start listening. remember, parents are just people. they have no more of a clue as to what the hell they are doing than you do. they are scared too. be sure to tell them all of the ways you are dealing with stress, anxiety, and depression, and advise them to do the same. invite them jogging or something. :)

melatonin and serotonin would also be great to look into.

Very much so!

Alright! I'll definitely look it up. How long doesi t usally start to take effect?

5htp works within days . should not take it while taking prozac.

Essential fatty acids can be taken with the Prozac.

Disclaimer: I'm just pointing out to you information that is easily accessible online and nutrition books.

As nice as that sounds, I don't think I could pull it off. I don't even have my permit yet! So I couldn't get a job.
Thanks for the info though

I do sometimes sneak( not allowed to take because my dad asked if it made me dream and I said yes) take melatonin Grrrrrrrrrrrrrreat sleep

When your parents aren't home, get the prozac stash, empty the capsules. If necessary, fill them with flour. Problem solved.

The next time you crash, get drunk and "cut", you'll only have yourself to blame.

There are other alternatives but self-diagnosing and self-medicating with 5 HTP, Melatonin, etc. isn't going to fix anything. Our behavior is the result of years of conditioning and of our life's experiences. To suggest just taking natural supplements is a cure or even an acceptable treatment is just plain ignorant. If you think you can undo everything in your life that got you to where you are by a pill, any pill, you are mistaken.

I think supplements are great to balance you out but I would also suggest some type of therapy. A good psychologist in combination with an internist would be a good place to start.


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Ahhh okay!
Thank you!

I would arm yourself with as much factual information that you can gather. Then sit down and talk with them about it, share your feelings and concerns and let them know that even tho you're a minor, it's still your body.

Then pray about it. Ask the Lord to soften their hearts and minds about this matter.

Be mature and reasonable when you talk with them, and just be open and honest.

I'll be praying for you too.

I agree with this, the one thing they dont want is to see their little girl go off into the horrible world and not Need them anymore....and if they let you go, trust in god to guide you and you should see a prosperous way to live.

just a thought, take it or leave it. and good luck!


P.S 5htp sounds good

Last Edited by DeltaAlphaNovember on 12/19/2011 03:40 PM

If someone suffers from headaches, depression, or weight problems, then it is recommended to take 50 mg of 5-HTP three times a day. In 1 to 2 weeks, the person should feel a difference in his body and see some results. If nothing seems to be changing, then the dose can be increased to 100

Read more: How Long Does it Take for 5HTP to Work? | eHow.com [link to www.ehow.com]

I read somewhere else it can take a few days, sometimes even hours to start working

isn't dreaming good though? I have heard it is the deepest kind of sleep you can get.

Rem sleep is vital. Op said something along the lines of "deep thinking is bad" and that she couldn't take melatonnin because they gave her dreams. I am guessing deep esoteric soul searching is frowned upon by her family or faith, probably similar to her father's view on alternative medicine/suppliments.

You are not wasted. It takes time to be where you want to be, and sometimes that place is not where you are supposed to be.

Some people reach it before others.

Perhaps so, I think I'm scared of who I am. I've always avoid those really reality altering drugs, such as acid.
I've heard you find out who you really are, and that scares the shit of me. Maybe because I think of myself as low.

Your right! The world is selfish, we eat for our OWN survival, we breathe the air for our own comfort, we drink, we bathe, we get therapy for our own benefit. Its a revolve around me world.

Great insight of memories. Humans do that, we tend to fancy the past more then we do the present. Even in good times I'll find myself seeping back down to the past in my mind.

I do have to rise above, and so do you.


Quit the self-loathing, you haven't done anything that would make the creator of us hate you. If he doesn't hate you, why should you?

Even if you are not religious, hate leads to no-where. Love is the only weapon against hate, against this world laced in it.

The media was taken love and distorted it, because they know how powerful love is. Love is an art, don't let them tear it apart.

Love yourself.

Thank you

The lord has guided me to safety many times before, I'm sure he will do it again

Thank you that brought me comfort!

He will, rest assured that He hears your pleas. Keep asking, and don't give up. I had no idea you were only 16, it's so refreshing to see a teenager that is a mature believer at such a young age.

hang in there and put up if you have to darling.. not long to go now ;)

This doesn't make sense, Prozac has a tendency to give the user extremely vivid dreams...I had this side effect myself. Only good thing I remember about the drug

Which kind of weight problems?
Gaining or the lather
I am the lather so would I need to cut down the dosage?

Thanks for the post though

To my daddy no.
But dream sleep is the best!!!

Your welcome. :)

The autoimmune disease is Rheumatoid Arthritis. I also have Fibromyalgia (which, from what my doc. says, many times starts because of the Rheumatoid Arthritis), bone spurs in my back and feet, Rheumatoid nodules in my right foot, bursitis, carpal tunnel, have one hip a bit higher than the other which causes a lot of lower back pain, and have a permanent knee injury due to a fall and have osteoarthritis in that knee. I'm a mess, lol! I have too many issues to work and I'm in pain a lot and on pretty strong pain killers. I have to stretch out 'cause sitting or standing for even a little while hurts and there aren't any jobs that will let you do that, lol. That's why I love my laptop, I can sprawl out on the couch and be on it. :)

I live with my husband and daughter.

I'm just not use to not working. I've thought about maybe starting a little business doing crafty stuff...like on Etsy or something. Don't know how much my hands can handle (I have a tough time just putting on bracelets or necklaces), but I'm surely gonna give it a try. I do have a lot more time to myself though and more time on the internet. :)

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OK DAD,,

"family site"

What i meant is deep thinking isn't necessarily bad, its what you deep think about.
I'm all for a deep thinker, I am one myself.

I don't know about my family, but I know my dad didn't want me to have dreams.
Hes really weird about being in control.

I would say pretend to take it and act more erratic :P Pretend to commit suicide, seizures and all that jazz.

Then tell them your doing this to me and this pill is making me more depressed or w/e they think your suffering from. If your parents love you they wont have you taking that shit anymore.

I sure will
Ah thanks Honestly I wish it could of been earlier, but we all do.

I will

Part of the reason maybe, that I'm prone to disturbing dreams. Not all the time but there have been times I have been shaken awake because I was screaming and crying in my sleep.

Prozac can cause some weird dreams

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That's what they consider it, and that's the reason for the no porn rule...