Scientists say Turin Shroud is supernatural - Brand-new research from Italy

see how long it takes him to respond to any of these? more than likely a google troll. he is flipping through all his dawkins books right now. i am out.

Honey, when do you think Jesus will come?

The fact remains..this cloth was a cloth with marks..it allegedly survived the seige of Constantinople..was reportedly the Mandelion that healed the ruler of Edesa..brought by the Templars to Europe..and survived miraculously various attempts to destroy it..to this day when behold technology has revelaed amazing data that in my opinion more than confirms its authenticity and the Resurrection of Christ our Messiah

Only God knows..because we are to be unprepared..so we are as we truly are and not all prepped up in the hope of being saved because we know He is coming

But in my opinion..its close very..

In fact I would say NOW
But thats just my opinion

But He says He will come as a thief in the night

I.e. we wont know He is here I think

A thief in the night is not seen

Food for thought:


Some extremely interesting experiments were performed by V.P. Kaznacheyev et al regarding the paranormal transmission of death by light inter-organism communication.

Briefly, two groups of cells were selected from the same cell culture and one sample placed on each side of a window joining two environmentally shielded rooms. The cell cultures were in quartz containers. One cell culture was used as the initiation sample and was subjected to a deadly mechanism - virus, germ, chemical poison, irradiation, ultraviolet rays, etc. The second cell culture was observed, to ascertain any transmitted effects from the culture sample being killed.

When the window was made of ordinary glass, the second sample remained alive and healthy. When the window was made of quartz, the second sample sickened and died with the same symptoms as the primary sample.

The experiments were done in darkness, and over 5,000 were reported by Kaznacheyev and his colleagues. The onset of induced complementary sickness and death in the second culture followed a reasonable time -- say two to four hours -- behind sickness and death in the primary culture.

The major transmission difference between window glass and quartz is that quartz transmits both ultraviolet and infrared well, while glass is relatively opaque to ultraviolet and infrared. Both quartz and glass transmit visible light. Thus glass is a suppressor of the paranormal channel, while quartz is not.

In 1950, Western researchers found that cells could be killed in darkness with ultraviolet radiation, kept shielded from visible light for twenty-four hours or longer, and then if radiated with visible light the cells would start reviving by hundreds of thousands even though they had been clinically dead.

Specifically, every cell emits mitogenetic radiation in the ultraviolet range twice: when it is born and when it dies. The UV photon emitted at death contains the exact virtual state pattern of the condition of the cell at death. The healthy cells are bombarded with death messages from those that are dying, and this diffuses the death pattern throughout the healthy culture, eventually kindling into the same death pattern there.

[V.P. Kaznacheyev et al, "Distant Intercellular Interactions in a System of Two Tissue Cultures," Psychoenergetic Systems, Vol. 1, No. 3, March 1976, pp 141-142.]
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LOL you have the nerve to call me a Google troll...

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Anyone sitting in a cave for 4 days would stink. Add in a dead rat for good measure and you have a "miracle."

Parlor tricks in a rumormill small town. You people are gullible...

Gullible?..funny I thought it was you just getting desperate

Oh, btw Lazarus did it as a repayment for Jesus cleansing his sisters filthy reputation. Apparently you need to talk to some real theologians.

You could have tried to say it was demonic possession..thats what they said didnt they? or that it was magik and parlor tricks? but there comes a point when one has to say

ooopsss..maybe its all true huh?

At the end of the day this latest research proves nothing.

They are saying that the only way they only way they found to replicate the image was by using methods not available when the shroud image was believed to have been created. Therefore they say this indicates that the shourd image was created by a supernatural event. At best this conclusion is nothing more than a guess.

'I am with you - always'

He never wasted a single word

The doubters only need to go into meditation and read His pages from the Book of Life
Or.. read the Aquarian Gospel, which is how this book was written

A further line of evidence comes from the watermarks on the Shroud, they show how it must have been folded for storage in a pot. The folding pattern shows that the pot used was the type in use in the 1st century. Later pots would have meant a different fold pattern.

Assuming middle ages forgery: How was a photonegative 3D image created that is only 1 or two microfibers deep in the linen? How was this done if there is no traceable paint, pigment, or stain? Why is the Shroud of Turin the only example of this type of imaging in the world? Maybe because it was a one-of-a-kind event.
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It is holographic.

ET technology thousands, if not millions, of year ahead of us.

No One Can Explain Shroud of Turin Pictures of Jesus

"I must admit, with some embarrassment, that until a few years ago I knew nothing about the Shroud of Turin. And when I first did read about it, while on a flight to Miami, I laughed out loud, something I rarely do alone in the company of strangers.

Starting in 2003, new evidence began to appear in secular, peer-reviewed, scientific journals that supported the Shroud of Turin's authenticity. From these journals we learn that the outermost fibers of the cloth are coated with a layer of starch fractions and various saccharides. In places, the coating has turned into a caramel-like substance, thus forming the images. This suggests a chemical reaction took place. We learn, also, of a faint second image of the face on the backside of the cloth. The second face supports the idea of a chemical reaction and adds more proof that the image is not a work of art or a photograph. And in 2005, we learned that the carbon 14 dating was flawed. In fact we learned that the cloth could very well be 2000 years old..."

[link to www.shroudstory.com]

Another interesting point is that the shroud correctly shows that the nails were driven through the guy's wrists and not through the palms of his hands as commonly depicted.

Of course this does not prove the shroud's authenticity. All it means is that either the shroud is real, or it was made by a very astute forger.

^^^This^^^

Thank you for the link.

No shit?

Who knew?

Uh... No, the research was done at Pavia University. A religious institute. Propaganda much?

This is like taking L. Ron Hubbards word for it that scientology is real because he funded research on his material, conducted by his followers.

At any rate, I've grown tired of talking to the same 4 people about their ridiculous psuedoscience conducted by extremely biased religious researchers in Italy.

he did come as a thief in the night, he took my bloody stereo system last weekend.

again you are ignoring the fact that many of the scientists that investigated the shroud throughout the years were not Christians

the forensic evidence alone is imo absolutely staggering

and as I said previously..this evidence was not noticeable till recently when technology enabled it to be so

LOL!So true.
Here's the probable real explanation, hastily googled and copy and pasted..............
Originally Turin Shroud: In Whose Image? (1994), this was Lynn and Clive's first joint book, marking the start of their writing career. Now extensively updated and revised (2006), it has come full circle. Although always presenting compelling circumstantial evidence to link the alleged Holy Shroud of Turin with Leonardo da Vinci, at long last they present the first unassailable concrete evidence. There is no doubt at all now that da Vinci was involved with the Shroud.

(To those who inevitably argue that the Shroud was around - in France a hundred or so years before the Florentine master was even born - the answer is simply that there was a 'Holy Shroud' doing the rounds then, but judging by the contemporary accounts, it was not the same one as today's, Leonardo's brilliant fake.)

Lynn and Clive, together with Keith Prince, were the first researchers to publish the results of their experiments to reproduce all the so-called 'miraculous' characteristics of the Shroud, which even the remaining believers acknowledge 'behaves like a photograph'.

They succeeded beyond their wildest dreams - not only in creating totally Shroud-like images using a very basic pin-hole camera, but they discovered that the expert faker behind it was none other than Leonardo da Vinci, who used his own face as model for Christ.

(So therefore, according to Lynn and Clive, the Shroud is really a 500-year-old photograph of Leonardo da Vinci...)

A known joker, conjuror and illusionist, and a Church-hating heretic - besides being fascinated by what we would call photography, building his own camera obscura - he had the means, opportunity and motive to create this extraordinary work.

Sure, glad to share. I posted this here a couple of years ago after someone started another thread about the shroud. I decided I needed to do some research on the topic and not just say "It is" or "It is not" based on my feelings rather on the current research. I simply find it fascinating. I am a believer and follower of Yeshua, but my opinion or faith is not part of the research shown in the link. "Science" is always right when it supports an unbeliever's point of view. When it points to the contrary, it will always be mocked and called "pseudo-science", regardless of who does the research.

they took the cloth and analized it forensically..independent from any religious bias..based on what they found they determined the cause of suffering and death of the man of the Shroud.

and it coincided allegedly 100% with the Gospels

This only proves that they still dont know what techniques our for-fathers had at their disposal.

Its like accepting that they shizled the great pyramid with copper schizels and then pulled the blocks with ropes into place .

actually Leonardo was a deeply religious man as was Michelangelo

You also forget the fact that
1.the marks
2.the blood type

coincide allegedly with the Sudariumof Oviedo..which can be traced reportedly back to the first century..therfore seemingly timing also the Shroud to the first century