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VERMONT VOTES FOR SECESSION (10/28/05)

 
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VERMONT VOTES FOR SECESSION (10/28/05)
...well here we go again...playing right into the destruction of the good ole united states in america...

...this movement appears to be as genuine as the "save the world" eco-green-piece movements from past decades and appears as well organized as the sierra club...

...and this little innocent action in vermont this month is just what the doctor ordered for those hellbent on destroying this nation...

...their idea, when you boil down all the rhetoric, is the bushco administration is so dasterdly criminal that we here in vermont, will just opt out of the messy system...and start up a new mess right here...

...i suppose they will use maple syrup production to shore up their version of currency...backed up by the hardwood forests and ramshackle residences that permeate the entire region...of course we have no beaches or beachfront condos...but we make a mean batch of honey mustard maple...

...i guess the ethan allen bunch is at it again...

...now from where i sit, the only thing needs fixing is the constitution which governs our great land...and i dont mean to change it, only to read it for each and every word it ACTUALLY says...and not for any facists to interprete...or throw away at their pleasure...

from where i sit, the confederacy at the very least raised an army of militia and almost, almost ran the damn federalists off the land...

so, besides playing to the nwo agenda, what else would this stupid, rediculous meeting possibly do besides justify the division of the usa into 5, 10 or is it 13 regions...each with a governor i suppose...

...no, no...the constitution is just fine for me thanks...only i wish everyone would just read it and guess what...it really says what it means...

...what a concept...a written document governing our great land that actually says what rights we have, and which ones we dont...there should be no interpretation of the words...because at the time they were written in 1786 or so...every possible interpretation was thought of, and answered with these words..."those rights not surrendered remain with the states"...

...how much plainer can it get, really...you dont need blogs to sort this stuff out...it is self evident!
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Re: VERMONT VOTES FOR SECESSION (10/28/05)
The Middlebury Institute

for the study of separatism, secession, and self-determination

127 East Mountain Road

Cold Spring, N.Y. 10516

Jkelas@ aol.com



In answer to a growing swell of interest in realistic responses to the excesses of the present American empire, The Middlebury Institute has been launched by a group of activists and professionals to promote the serious study of separatism, secession, self-determination and similar devolutionary trends and developments, on both national and international scales.

We believe that, of the options open to those who would dissent from the actions and institutions of a government grown too big and unwieldy and its handmaiden corporate sponsors grown too powerful and corrupt, the only comprehensive and practical one is some form of separatism. Exploring this option is not a step to be taken lightly, because there are established forces that will hamper and resist, and yet it is a legal and viable enterprise, squarely in the American tradition, and of a piece with the worldwide devolutionary current that has seen the breakup of European empires (including the Soviet) and the expansion of the United Nations from 51 to 193 nations in sixty years.

Moreover, the accumulating signs point to a series of major crises that will seriously disrupt and may even destroy the American system in the near future. These include economic disruptions in the wake of global “peak oil” production before 2010, deterioration of the power of the dollar through mounting and uncontrollable national debt and trade imbalances, continued degradation of vital ecosystems on which the nation depends, climate change and severe weather causing widespread devastation of coastal areas, extended use of military force worldwide leading to increased terrorism and the reinstitution of the draft, judicial takeovers at the Federal level by rightwing ideologues capable of altering fundamental legal rights, and terrorist attacks at facilities (nuclear plants, harbors, chemical factories) the government has been unable or unwilling to protect. Those who want to absent and cushion themselves from suchlike devastations would reasonably want to explore ways of removing their communities and regions from dangerous national political and economic mechanisms that are incapable of reform.

It is for these reasons that The Middlebury Institute hopes to foster a national movement in the United States that will:

· place secession on the national political agenda,

· encourage secessionist and separatist movements here and abroad,

· develop communication among such existing and future groups,

· create a body of scholarship to examine and promote the ideas of separatism,

· and work carefully and thoughtfully for the ultimate task, the peaceful dissolution of the American empire.

To these ends we intend to issue regular papers treating with a broad range of secessionist issues, including the question of the constitutionality of secession in the U.S.; reports on the status of various secessionist movements in the U.S.; scenarios of federal responses to states opting to secede; the ethics of secession; the history of secession in America; the economic consequences of secession—a cost-benefit analysis; a history of worldwide secession and devolution developments of the past 20 years; case studies of individual foreign separatist movements of modern times; and excerpts from the considerable body of literature on separatism and secession.

We will also sponsor various gatherings, including academic seminars, in which leading scholars and activists will be invited to deliver and discuss papers on separatism and its corollaries; weekend conferences of speeches and workshops; national congresses with representatives of active separatist movements in the U.S.; and debates on various issues involving secession and separatism, with activists, elected politicians, scholars, and think-tank representatives, among others.

And we will be sending out regular news releases that draw attention to the breaking action or new activities of separatist groups, here and abroad, with special attention to the victories and achievements in the movement.

Eventually we will have a website that will be an archive of book chapters and articles on separatism and secession, particularly over the last dozen years, with regular news coverage of separatist events and links to the more prominent and active secessionist groups. At some point we will make room for postings from readers to discuss related matters as they wish.

This is a long-haul project: the task is as immense as it is urgent, and we must go carefully, even as we go steadily. We will need your help: contact us, send us your email address, contribute what you can. Ultimately the Middlebury Institute will be what its constituents need and want, and we will serve the movement in any way we can.

Spread the word. Join the action. Take the battlements. And keep in touch.



Kirkpatrick Sale



Thomas Naylor September 1, 2005



P.S.: We are enclosing, as the Institute’s first paper, The Middlebury Declaration, passed at a “Radical Consultation” meeting in November of last year.





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Re: VERMONT VOTES FOR SECESSION (10/28/05)
My people tried it first. Didn´t work then.
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Re: VERMONT VOTES FOR SECESSION (10/28/05)
...from sta forum/readers headlines right now...

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VERMONT WANTS TO SECEDE FROM U.S.A.

Posted By: Argus
Date: Sunday, 23 October 2005, 9:21 p.m.

Hmmm, wonder if any F.B.I. or Homeland Security people will be attending?

Maybe this will wake up people in my conservative state, Maine, a close neighbor.

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Jumping From the Sinking Ship of Empire: Vermonters Move to Secede From USA
James Howard Kunstler, author of the book about Peak Oil The Long Emergency, will be the keynote speaker at The Vermont Convention on Independence to be held in the House Chamber of the State House in Montpelier, VT on Friday, October 28th, 2005. Sponsored by the Second Vermont Republic, the convention, which will begin at 9 am and conclude at 5 pm, is open to the public and free of charge. This historic event will be the first statewide convention on secession in the United States since North Carolina voted to secede from the Union on May 20, 1861.

Organizers of the convention say it has two objectives: First, to raise the level of awareness of Vermonters of the feasibility of independence as a viable alternative to a nation which has lost its moral authority and is unsustainable. And second, to provide an example and a process for other states and nations which may be seriously considering separatism, secession, independence, and similar devolutionary strategies. The Second Vermont Republic describes itself as "a peaceful, democratic, grassroots, libertarian populist movement committed to the return of Vermont to its status as an independent republic as it once was between 1777 and 1791."

Earlier this year, Vermont secession activists published their opening salvo, the Middlebury Institute Letter. It declared: "We believe that, of the options open to those who would dissent from the actions and institutions of a government grown too big and unwieldy and its handmaiden corporate sponsors grown too powerful and corrupt, the only comprehensive and practical one is some form of separatism. Exploring this option is not a step to be taken lightly, because there are established forces that will hamper and resist, and yet it is a legal and viable enterprise, squarely in the American tradition...

"Moreover, the accumulating signs point to a series of major crises that will seriously disrupt and may even destroy the American system in the near future. These include economic disruptions in the wake of global “peak oil” production before 2010, deterioration of the power of the dollar through mounting and uncontrollable national debt and trade imbalances, continued degradation of vital ecosystems on which the nation depends, climate change and severe weather causing widespread devastation of coastal areas, extended use of military force worldwide leading to increased terrorism and the reinstitution of the draft, [and] judicial takeovers at the Federal level by rightwing ideologues capable of altering fundamental legal rights... Those who want to absent and cushion themselves from suchlike devastations would reasonably want to explore ways of removing their communities and regions.
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Re: VERMONT VOTES FOR SECESSION (10/28/05)
I haven´t read it all, Rear View, but that would be good!

At one point in time, Western Australia wanted to secede from the Australian federation, and one or two farmers have succeeded in seceding and have set-up their own principalities.. eg. Prince Leonard of Hutt River Province in Western Australia.

[link to members.ozemail.com.au]
(a small write-up on ´Trip Notes for 5 March 2000´

How the Province Came to Be
[link to www.hutt-river-province.com]

´If anyone asks has our secession succeeded?
Then we simply say.
“We are still here”.´




And the attempt of Western Australia to secede in 1933.

The View From the West
[link to www.abc.net.au]


LOL..
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Re: VERMONT VOTES FOR SECESSION (10/28/05)
the constitution is what bound the states together
if the constitution is nullified, the contract is breached
the states can be independent again

glad i live in texas
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Re: VERMONT VOTES FOR SECESSION (10/28/05)
"glad I live in Texas"

Should have said "I´m glad I live in the Republic of Texas".

Rat bastard Vermonters. I was hoping California would secede first.
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Re: VERMONT VOTES FOR SECESSION (10/28/05)
no way in hell Cali would secede with the Govenator still in office, and he´ll definitely get re-elected.
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Re: VERMONT VOTES FOR SECESSION (10/28/05)
In California (I hate "Cali") we have the proposition process. If the people pass a proposition, the governator has to go along.
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Re: VERMONT VOTES FOR SECESSION (10/28/05)
the USA is supposed to be a republic as well
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Re: VERMONT VOTES FOR SECESSION (10/28/05)
Yes this is true yet why is it that shitbag pissant states like Vermont think they can usurp our governmental authority, constitution aside, and just walk away from their mother country. Is is gambling, stupidity or just a revolutionary mindset???



None of the above. Be careful Vermont for what you wish for.........
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Re: VERMONT VOTES FOR SECESSION (10/28/05)
it´s a step in the RIGHT direction, actually.
all the states should seceed from the "union."
then, all citizens should reclaim their
individual sovereignty from their local governments!

make no bones about it. set yourself FREE!

advice from 263
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Re: VERMONT VOTES FOR SECESSION (10/28/05)
Not too sure if they would be missed. All 180,000 are retired, hippies, drunks or any combination or the three.
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Re: VERMONT VOTES FOR SECESSION (10/28/05)
Not too sure if they would be missed. All 180,000 are retired, hippies, drunks or any combination or the three.



And you are just an ahole.

Vermont is a beautiful state and the people there are just tired of your politically based bullshit. Maybe you should put the bong down and pay attention.butt
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Re: VERMONT VOTES FOR SECESSION (10/28/05)
BRAVO TO THOSE WHO UNDERSTAND THE STATE OF AMERICA AND WANT TO SUCCEED FROM A TERRIBLY EVIL CORRUPT GOVERNMENT.. AH HO WIO





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