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QuantumHost
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10/24/2005 09:28 PM
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Please review and comment on the words of Tom Bearden?

[link to www.opensourceenergy.com]
malu  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Be nice to Idol,,,, feel like a crowd is moving in on security *pulling pistol*

i know you are cool,, *taking weapon off you*
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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i dont know what answers your looking for but think about radio. it doesnt sound that far fetched
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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I´ll comment.

If there really WAS anything to these "free energy" or "zero-point energy" schemes... these guys would be viewed as saviors.

Instead, they are still dicking around with websites, a whole lot of fancy sounding words, etc.

That all tells me their work is fairly suspect at this point.

I´m not saying it´s all hogwash - because I haven´t studied it closely. But my first impression is not a positive one.

Having said that, thanks for the link. I´ll watch the videos when I get some time.
gus  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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I have Bearden´s free energy book. And another about psychic phenomena, also from him. I also have no time whatsoever to read it or even start reading it. Maybe this is one of the reasons why this kind of stuff isn´t out there for everyone and noone of these guys are on the limelight. The "system" won´t give you enough time to study these things. It´s plain simple. Pure conspiracy. Yet you have plenty of time to watch TV shows and worship Holywood celebrities. They deserve your time. These guys don´t.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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I just watched Bearden´s video... I still have the same impression AFTER watching as I did before.

It´s all talk, no substance. There are a lot of guys like Bearden out there who talk the talk, but can´t walk the walk. Hoagland is a classic example. You listen to him speak, and he´s got this "wow" effect - the same sort of thing that made snake-oil salesmen so popular in the 1800´s.

The funniest part of Bearden´s speech is where he talks about these charlatans. To me, it´s a classic misdirection ploy... by talking about it in the third person, Bearden removes ALL possibility that HE is the charlatan.

He also gets into "conspiracy-land" in a big way, impying that the "cartels" of the world have conspired to keep "free energy" from the world.

Hogwash.

I dunno. I was very unimpressed by his video on that site. Bearden came across more as a quack than as a genius who is going to "save the world" with "free energy". Doomsday scenarios... Lunov... hidden nukes on American soil by the Ruskies... Armageddon by 2007 due to "peak oil" and assorted energy crises... the guy´s got the whole speech down!

He claims they´ve already built working "over-unity" devices. More hogwash. More conspiracy. Just like the old "100-mpg carburetor" bunk...

I also didn´t like the sales pitch for this "Disclosure Project" at the beginning. It´s always about the money, isn´t it?

WHERE´S THE BEEF?
Duncan Kunz  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Bearden has never produced any overunity engines or any of the other whizzbangs he quacks about.

If he ever does, I might take him seriously.

But right now, near as I can figure, he´s all hat and no herd.
gus  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Well, it´s the same old history. Movies and books are big loss of time. And I don´t believe by a single minute in any word coming from them. Just go directly to the guys´ claims, take out the redundancy, and try the experiments on your own home. Try it yourself. After that, their knowledge will be yours and then you can start questioning them. But as I said, we don´t have time for any of this. This is the big question mark here. This is the stuff most can´t see: the imposed impossibility of things.
Wiley Coyote  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Bump for Idol.book
QuantumHost  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Duncan

What about this?

[link to jnaudin.free.fr]
QH  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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bookbookbook
AC 2741  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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[link to my.voyager.net]

the meg is real & patented.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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That doesn´t mean it works.
idol harobed  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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From [link to www.opensourceenergy.com]

"But because he wanted to make energy available for free – wirelessly broadcast worldwide without metering or billing, accessed by a simple receiver device which did not need to be plugged into any socket or wired grid"

We transmit electrical power via wires because they are the closest thing we have to an ideal conductor. An ideal conductor is defined by a medium that have the same electrical potential in all its points regardless of its extension, in other words transmission without loss.

What Tesla wanted is impractical as transmitting power through the air is rather inefficient.
idol harobed  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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"i dont know what answers your looking for but think about radio. it doesnt sound that far fetched"

The power an antenna captures is a tiny fraction of the total power transmitted.

If you want to receive the full power of a radio transmission the source must be coherent (laser-like), in other words: a virtual wire.
QuantumHost  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Idol

"What Tesla wanted is impractical as transmitting power through the air is rather inefficient."

We suggest you read and reflect deeper, we think that you will begin to see something completely different than you are now considering.

Bearden discusses a funneling of potential... not potential from a fixed source, but from virtually infinite sources. More complex and simple in the same instant.

What Bearden has done is not really debatatble... if the scientific community uses stone age tools to discern... they will get warmed over horse shoes.

Sadly, Bearden´s disclosures will in the end cost him his life... it ebbs away as we speak.
QuantumHost  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Idol

"The power an antenna captures is a tiny fraction of the total power transmitted.

If you want to receive the full power of a radio transmission the source must be coherent (laser-like), in other words: a virtual wire."

Yes, but we think that you are still not looking in the appropriate place.

Think dimensional space,
not local space.
QuantumHost  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Idol

[link to www.cheniere.org]
CORAL  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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IDOL YOUR ENERGY IS ONLY LOVE MUUUAAAA
Duncan Kunz  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Quantum host says:

“ [link to jnaudin.free.fr]

I’ve seen Naudin’s site. Most of the information there is five years old, and as far as I know, no one’s ever seen a working model or managed to replicate what Naudin has reported. I’m not a physicist, just an old engineering bureaucrat, but his science sounds unworkable. However, I will try to keep an open mind; if you have any evidence of any demonstration models that actually seem to work and have had their effects duplicated, I’d be more than happy to check them out.

“We suggest you read and reflect deeper, we think that you will begin to see something completely different than you are now considering.”

Idol’s comment seems pretty sensible to me; what additional reflection do you suggest? You say that “Bearden discusses a funneling of potential…” But Bearden suggests a lot, and never has the results to substantiate his stuff.

“Yes, but we think that you are still not looking in the appropriate place. Think dimensional space,
not local space.”

I do not understand your comment. Space is dimensional by definition, either two-dimensional (a flat surface) or three-dimensional (volume, with x-, y-, and z-coordinates). Are you suggesting that electromagnetic waves can propagate into other dimensions? If so, what are these dimensions, if not length, width, height, and time? And how would this be accomplished? Finally, how do you differentiate “dimensional” space and “local” space?
scimitar  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Hi QH....

For the group who invented the MEG..... considering thier claim that they created a device which can extract energy from the vacuum. To obtain a patent...... one which goes against the normally held scientific understanding...... the inventor can not make a frivolous claim. In the case of Bearden and the inventors of the MEG, they were awarded the Patent because they substantiated thier claim by demonstrating that the device did what they claimed. The reason it is not produced yet is because they do not have investments to engineer the device for production.

The understanding of the fundamental principles involved are not mature enough to have mathmatical models to convince the scientific community. Seeing in this case is not believing. Until enough research is done to define and model the physics of the device and convince a sceptical scientific community, no investor is going to lay out the cash for the engineering developement and production costs. Catch 22.

If you don´t fully understand and define the process it could never be reliably reproduced. A few replications does not make it a viable technology.

I believe it is true...... but that doesn´t change the reality of this situation.


One Truth..... many realities
scimitar  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Duncan.....

I really do agree with you..... if you were the inventor and it was true then it would seem to me you would keep hand building units to spread around for evaluation to convince people...... but as we both know they´ve never done that.
QuantumHost  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Duncan

"Idol’s comment seems pretty sensible to me; what additional reflection do you suggest? You say that “Bearden discusses a funneling of potential…” But Bearden suggests a lot, and never has the results to substantiate his stuff."

Usable energy from dipoles established with a permanent magnet would not qualify?
idol harobed  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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"We suggest you read and reflect deeper, we think that you will begin to see something completely different than you are now considering."

The physical world does not work that way, QH. Signal decay is one of the basic principles behind wireless communications. Even perfect media are subject to loss due to limited bandwidth.

"but from virtually infinite sources."

Please, elaborate.

"What Bearden has done is not really debatatble... "

QH, debate is in Science´s essentials. We evolve because we debate, otherwise Science would be a religion.
idol harobed  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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"Yes, but we think that you are still not looking in the appropriate place.

Think dimensional space,
not local space."

A signal does decay regardless of the number of dimensions since the decay not vectorial.
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Just so everyone knows!

Dumbkin Kootz is>>>he´s all hat and no herd.

He is a evil known debunker rat bastard of the very worst kind

Idol is second in line with him

these chunks of shit work for the evil ones and all of us old timer GLP people know this first hand!
QuantumHost  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Duncan

"I do not understand your comment. Space is dimensional by definition, either two-dimensional (a flat surface) or three-dimensional (volume, with x-, y-, and z-coordinates). Are you suggesting that electromagnetic waves can propagate into other dimensions? If so, what are these dimensions, if not length, width, height, and time? And how would this be accomplished? Finally, how do you differentiate “dimensional” space and “local” space?"

If this is your definition of dimensional space we now see your barrier... it is yours to transcend... or not.

Hot Krispy Kremes and coffee really might hit the spot about now...
Duncan Kunz  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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"If this is your definition of dimensional space we now see your barrier... it is yours to transcend... or not."

Sorry, QH; I´d thought you were interested in a serious conversation.
idol harobed  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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"Usable energy from dipoles established with a permanent magnet would not qualify?"

This is a common misconception. The field produced by a magnet is not an energy source. Objects moving in the field are those that gain or loose energy.
Anders  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Kuntz wibbles:

"I do not understand your comment.



Ever heard of string theory or quantum mechanics???

LOL


Space is dimensional by definition, either two-dimensional (a flat surface) or three-dimensional (volume, with x-, y-, and z-coordinates). Are you suggesting that electromagnetic waves can propagate into other dimensions? If so, what are these dimensions,




Jeeeeezus how dumb is Kuntz???





if not length, width, height, and time? And how would this be accomplished? Finally, how do you differentiate “dimensional” space and “local” space?"




What a know-nothing.
QuantumHost  (OP)

12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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It is about political will. It is about population control. It is about power "over." It is about money, more likely who controls the directional flow.

If you all continue to yield to the forces that represent the status quo, it will get much worse before better.

But, it is your destiny to fulfill.





GLP