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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6323246 United States 01/08/2012 01:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, Quoting: uscrusader1 Are you back? Then one more time, are you that confident? btw I made a error in calculating the capacity of a KC767 refueler(used water weight instead of JetA weight) comes to 30,000 gallon capacity. So application rates of .03 gallon per acre would be adequate for your ADCs? OP, thx for playing along... Quoting: uscrusader1 wait, whole city of Chicago going to the ER? are you that confident of ADC effectiveness? [This is hypothetical, of course. We were never asked to include any such markers in our final products. But for the sake of the hypothetical situation, it could either be inhaled or absorbed through skin, and you would definitely not want it to send people to the ER. Not if you want the entire city ending up in the ER. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6323246 I think I mentioned this before - 0.03 gallons is an irrelevant number, given how much the concentration of the primary compound in a final mixture can vary. But yes, for some of the more concentrated mixtures, this figure is plausible. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6323246 United States 01/08/2012 01:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ok, so I will add what I know to the thread. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4591296 1. pheromones exist for humans, can be synthesized and work. in small doses. 2. we are very chemical and effected by chemicals around us. I have had a kid regress after vaccination and then also be cured through biomedical intervention with diet and supplements. Homeopathy works. 3. people at the top are idiots.. so given what I know for 1, 2 and 3.. this story is not completely implausible. As much as I have tried to keep this thread on topic, I would like to throw in my two cents on homeopathy...any "results" achieved by homeopathy are a placebo effect at best. I'm not going to get into an argument about this, although I'm sure more than one person on these forums would be willing to. I'm just giving my opinion. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6323246 United States 01/08/2012 01:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Do you think the "calming agents" are the cause of chronic fatigue syndrome? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1015504 Don't know much about CFS, but from what I've read, it's quite possible. I meant to add that some of the symptoms are eerily similar to what we saw in trial animals. (from page 11) Can you expand on this please? What symptoms would have been seen in trial animals? General malaise, ineffective sleep cycles, orthostatic instability, mood swings, to name a few. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1351486 United States 01/08/2012 01:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6323246 Don't know much about CFS, but from what I've read, it's quite possible. I meant to add that some of the symptoms are eerily similar to what we saw in trial animals. (from page 11) Can you expand on this please? What symptoms would have been seen in trial animals? General malaise, ineffective sleep cycles, orthostatic instability, mood swings, to name a few. so youre just trying to piss off the general public now?? ok I believe you there are less expensive ways...have your people call mine |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1273422 Australia 01/08/2012 01:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The notion that atmospherically deployed chemicals can reduce global warming.. Is insane! Full coverage @ 1000mph.. No chance! But hey... Some powers would rather try silly folly rather than Stop deforestation.... Go Figure. Perhaps oxygen and hydrogen don't deflect photons? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6323246 United States 01/08/2012 01:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | do chemtrails have magnetic properties? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7916217 Hpw are they affected when mouns bombard them? Are chemtrails stable? will they break down after exposer? Do they need to be kept at a certain temperature until released? is flouride found in them? are they released in the planes engine with fuel vapor, or seperate holding tanks? Why is it that I don't see a release valve on planes? Why don't I see chemicals being loaded onto the plane at the airport? Do you subject your chemicals to electro magnetic radiation? How long ago where chemtrails introduced? Magnetic properties: Not intentionally. Stable/break down after exposure: Our projects covered pretty much the whole spectrum in this department. Some chemicals were meant to degrade within 48 hours of deployment. Others were meant to persist in the environment for up to a year. Temperature: In some cases, yes, storage temperature and pressure were very important. Fluoride: In the reduced anion form of fluorine (F-)? No. Are chemtrails released in engines with fuel vapor or separate tanks: None of the projects we ever worked on were intended to be mixed with jet fuel. Everything we developed was meant for standalone deployment. Why can't you see release valves on planes/see people loading chemicals: No clue. I never played a role in deployment methods. Anything I could offer would be pure speculation. Did we subject our chemicals to electromagnetic radiation: No. How long ago were chemtrails introduced: I answered this earlier. In short - crop dusting was routine by the 1930s. My guess is that it didn't take long for people with power and money to realize that the same methods could be used on people rather than plants. This is also speculation - I wasn't alive in the 1930s. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6323246 United States 01/08/2012 01:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP: Since your retirement, have you ever seen Chemtrails over your neighborhood, and if so, how did you react. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1040551 Less than two months after retirement, I moved to the cabin where I currently live. In that two month period, yes, I observed chemtrails over my city. Reaction - none. What could I do? Write a letter to my congressman? Hop in my car and outrun them? Run inside and seal all doors and windows? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8438832 United States 01/08/2012 02:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi OP, you said in a earlier post that if you used moisturizer or hand lotion, your skin will become dependent on it. How do you break such a dependency? Just stop using it? But will your skin return to normal eventually, or is it forever fucked? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6323246 United States 01/08/2012 02:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Op: Why now? Why did you decide to 'somewhat' disclose now? In 2012? I mean, with all that is happening around the world, economies collapsing, governments out of control including our own, the military industrial complex in full swing, the weaponization of space. The list goes on and on. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1337468 It's like you know something, or at the very least dread something awful is about to happen. How lucky for you that you have situated yourself in a somewhat safe place - does this mean you are planning on surviving some catastrophe? Would your speaking up a few years ago have made a difference? I believe it would have. You say 'good luck' with going after the government - is this because of the hidden government? If enough of the populace all around the world united for this cause, then things could change, no? Or, are you disclosing now because we have passed a point of no return and it doesn't much matter for you anymore? I chose to disclose now because I only found out about the GLP forums within the past year. Until then, I had not found any public forum that might believe what I had to say. I think you are over dramatizing things. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6323246 United States 01/08/2012 02:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, prior to 1997 the Secretary of Defense had the legal right to conduct biochemical warfare testing on US citizens without their knowledge and consent . . . Since this law has been repealed do you think anything has changed in the testing of questionable substances dispersed from aircraft? Quoting: George B . . . " OLD CODE: PUBLIC LAW 95-79 [P.L. 95-79] TITLE 50, CHAPTER 32, SECTION 1520 "CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WARFARE PROGRAM" "The use of human subjects will be allowed for the testing of chemical and biological agents by the U.S. Department of Defense, accounting to Congressional committees with respect to the experiments and studies." [/color]"The Secretary of Defense [may] conduct tests and experiments involving the use of chemical and biological [warfare] agents on civilian populations [within the United States]." -SOURCE- Public Law 95-79, Title VIII, Sec. 808, July 30, 1977, 91 Stat. 334. In U.S. Statutes-at-Large, Vol. 91, page 334, you will find Public Law 95-79. Public Law 97-375, title II, Sec. 203(a)(1), Dec. 21, 1982, 96 Stat. 1882. In U.S. Statutes-at-Large, Vol. 96, page 1882, you will find Public Law 97-375. This was only repealed in 1997 . . . Section 1520. Repealed. Pub. L. 105-85, Div. A, Title X, Sec. 1078(G), Nov. 18, 1997, 111 Stat. 1916, And Pub. L. 105-277, Div. I, Title Vi, Sec. 601, Oct. 21, 1998, 112 Stat. 2681-886 . . . " [link to codes.lp.findlaw.com] OP, just in case you missed this. . . I am re-posting this question . . . Pretty sure I answered this one already, somewhere in the low- to mid-thirties of pages. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6323246 United States 01/08/2012 02:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP: is there some food/substance that could help us neutralize, restore balance to our body chemistry (and well being in general) after being affected by chemtrails (i know you were doing lots of different mixes)? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8428733 Not that I can think of. Try not to waste your money on so called "de-tox" kits - 99% of these are complete bullshit. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6323246 United States 01/08/2012 02:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP I have a question? Quoting: Fallen Would you say the affects of the agents you were delivering too humans would cause symptoms of illness that then could be "cured/symptoms reduced" by another agent like a (pharmaceutical)? Also related did you ever work on projects that would cause reactions based on specific chemicals in blood? if say for instance someone was on certain pharmacy drugs or even illegal drugs, like THC? ADCs causing symptoms that could be "cured/reduced" by another agent: Very possible. Projects causing reactions based on specific chemicals in blood: Yes. Not for anything related to illegal drugs as you suggested, though. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1273422 Australia 01/08/2012 02:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP: Since your retirement, have you ever seen Chemtrails over your neighborhood, and if so, how did you react. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1040551 Less than two months after retirement, I moved to the cabin where I currently live. In that two month period, yes, I observed chemtrails over my city. Reaction - none. What could I do? Write a letter to my congressman? Hop in my car and outrun them? Run inside and seal all doors and windows? Exactly OP!.. This is why you may sense a pressure for answers on your thread. People want to know! Protecting yourself while trying to save others.. Its a fine line. If absolution is the agenda... The sacrifice should fit. Why It needs sacrifice is beyond my area of expertise... Yet it seems to work that way. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6323246 United States 01/08/2012 02:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I hope this isn't a stupid question but here goes: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8435408 OP you said in the beginning of the post that these chemicals could be inhaled, absorbed, or ingested, my question is, are they only being sprayed? What I mean by that is, is it possible that some of these chemicals are being put in our food, water supply, or possibly even put into lotions and other products that people are using? Just seems that there are so many ways to get these chemicals into our bodies. Scary Every chemical mixture my laboratory worked on was meant to be deployed aerially. In some cases, however, bodies of water were the target rather than direct contact with humans. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1273422 Australia 01/08/2012 02:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP: is there some food/substance that could help us neutralize, restore balance to our body chemistry (and well being in general) after being affected by chemtrails (i know you were doing lots of different mixes)? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8428733 Not that I can think of. Try not to waste your money on so called "de-tox" kits - 99% of these are complete bullshit. Is there a 'detox' for the chemicals you are are aware of that you could advise? Thnx. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6323246 United States 01/08/2012 02:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hi OP, you said in a earlier post that if you used moisturizer or hand lotion, your skin will become dependent on it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8438832 How do you break such a dependency? Just stop using it? But will your skin return to normal eventually, or is it forever fucked? Hello. I suppose this was sort of off topic when I posted it, and I only remembered this tidbit from an undergraduate biology course. But from what I understand, abstaining from further use of lotions will eventually lead to your skin producing its own natural oils. But your skin will be dry for quite some time after quitting. However, you can find some products that will not cause this effect in the first place. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6323246 United States 01/08/2012 02:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP: is there some food/substance that could help us neutralize, restore balance to our body chemistry (and well being in general) after being affected by chemtrails (i know you were doing lots of different mixes)? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8428733 Not that I can think of. Try not to waste your money on so called "de-tox" kits - 99% of these are complete bullshit. Is there a 'detox' for the chemicals you are are aware of that you could advise? Thnx. Not that I know of, no. Most detox kits I've read about say they will purge your colon, remove THC from your adipose tissue, etc. In other words, they all target specific chemicals in specific tissues. In general, these are actually more effective than kits that promise some sort of miracle "full body detox". But as far as protecting/detoxing against the multitude of chemicals you may be exposed to...no, nothing comes to mind. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6323246 United States 01/08/2012 02:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | (from page 11) Can you expand on this please? What symptoms of CFS would have been seen in trial animals? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6383062 General malaise, ineffective sleep cycles, orthostatic instability, mood swings, to name a few. so youre just trying to piss off the general public now?? ok I believe you there are less expensive ways...have your people call mine These are all described symptoms of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome that we saw in test animals during trials of this project. I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 6688444 United States 01/08/2012 02:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I just wanted to also say that I forgive you. I hope you can live out the rest of your days in peace. You seem to really regret what you did. I have a hard time understanding how someone who knows that what they were doing seemed "sinister" and yet you continued working for 17 years. Then again, I have many regrets for things that I have done. Don't we all? I wonder if those projects that you 'scrapped' were actually continued and developed by people who had even lower moral standards. It makes sense that the project would be compartmentalized and the people involved told that their work wouldn't actually be toxic to humans. Anyway, thank you for coming here to share this truth, it must feel somewhat good to get it off your chest. What a terrible thing to have to live with for so long. If only, like you said, you could have developed something that made children happy and cured cancer. Anyway, I will send some love your way in my meditations for healing your regret. Have you thought of doing something to make amends for what you did? That would help greatly with healing your regret. Maybe you have already done something, and coming here to tell your story is a good start. It's a new year, 2012 would be a good year to do something good for the planet. It's never too late. I don't know how old you are now, but even if it was meditating or praying for the chemical spraying to stop, that would be wonderful if you could help with that. I am constantly amazed when my prayers are answered and I actually see the manifestation and answers to my prayers. In Maui, there are people who are working toward passing legislation that would stop chemical spraying on Maui. I hope you can say a little prayer for that to pass. Thank you and many blessings to you. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1034800 hana hou, brudda or sista... tita say: no litta.... da sky wit chemtrails lol. aloha nui |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 8332850 United States 01/08/2012 02:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP: is there some food/substance that could help us neutralize, restore balance to our body chemistry (and well being in general) after being affected by chemtrails (i know you were doing lots of different mixes)? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8428733 Not that I can think of. Try not to waste your money on so called "de-tox" kits - 99% of these are complete bullshit. Haven't really explored much of this thread yet but my radar is already screaming BULLSHIT!!!! Loud and clear!!!! This dude is bullshit....'I live in a cabin...but the chemtrails are not over my "city"?' Detox kits are complete bullshit? This is some bored 30 something dork dude without a date drinking enough mountain dew to dissolve a manatee while lapping up some attention. Glad you got it man....we all deserve to get what we want...and I guess these suckers on your string are getting what they want too! Live it up dude...chemtrails are real...but I don't believe you have anything to do with 'em! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1273422 Australia 01/08/2012 02:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP: is there some food/substance that could help us neutralize, restore balance to our body chemistry (and well being in general) after being affected by chemtrails (i know you were doing lots of different mixes)? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8428733 Not that I can think of. Try not to waste your money on so called "de-tox" kits - 99% of these are complete bullshit. Haven't really explored much of this thread yet but my radar is already screaming BULLSHIT!!!! Loud and clear!!!! This dude is bullshit....'I live in a cabin...but the chemtrails are not over my "city"?' Detox kits are complete bullshit? This is some bored 30 something dork dude without a date drinking enough mountain dew to dissolve a manatee while lapping up some attention. Glad you got it man....we all deserve to get what we want...and I guess these suckers on your string are getting what they want too! Live it up dude...chemtrails are real...but I don't believe you have anything to do with 'em! MATE!!.. Why not Just Piss Off And 'Explore' before you make a dick of yourself? :) |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6323246 United States 01/08/2012 02:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since you are up to this page on replies... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1273422 What did you think of your colleagues given the knowledge of what you were creating together? Cheers. What was initially a very awkward work environment eventually gave way to the general sense of professional camaraderie found in most offices. I probably thought no less of my co-workers than they did of me. When I first started, it was at the same time as a few others in their late twenties/early thirties. At that time, there were also a handful of people in their fifties - we looked up to them. They strode the lab like giants. As I eventually filled that role, and when a new group of twenty-somethings was hired, the role reversal felt interesting. Sorry, I might have gone off on a tangent from your original question. I had respect for nearly all of my colleagues. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6323246 United States 01/08/2012 02:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP: is there some food/substance that could help us neutralize, restore balance to our body chemistry (and well being in general) after being affected by chemtrails (i know you were doing lots of different mixes)? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8428733 Not that I can think of. Try not to waste your money on so called "de-tox" kits - 99% of these are complete bullshit. Haven't really explored much of this thread yet but my radar is already screaming BULLSHIT!!!! Loud and clear!!!! This dude is bullshit....'I live in a cabin...but the chemtrails are not over my "city"?' Detox kits are complete bullshit? This is some bored 30 something dork dude without a date drinking enough mountain dew to dissolve a manatee while lapping up some attention. Glad you got it man....we all deserve to get what we want...and I guess these suckers on your string are getting what they want too! Live it up dude...chemtrails are real...but I don't believe you have anything to do with 'em! That's fine. You're absolutely entitled to your opinion. It's not like I've never met such skepticism when attempting to explain my career. And yes, I used to live in a city. Now I live in a cabin. I moved out here two months after retirement. Hardly see any planes now. It's nice. And I further explained my views on so-called "detox kits" in a later post. Please read it. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1273422 Australia 01/08/2012 03:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since you are up to this page on replies... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1273422 What did you think of your colleagues given the knowledge of what you were creating together? Cheers. What was initially a very awkward work environment eventually gave way to the general sense of professional camaraderie found in most offices. I probably thought no less of my co-workers than they did of me. When I first started, it was at the same time as a few others in their late twenties/early thirties. At that time, there were also a handful of people in their fifties - we looked up to them. They strode the lab like giants. As I eventually filled that role, and when a new group of twenty-somethings was hired, the role reversal felt interesting. Sorry, I might have gone off on a tangent from your original question. I had respect for nearly all of my colleagues. My question was probing no doubt. My curiosity shifted at some point in the thread... From the info you provided to your thoughts at the time, given the obvious application specifications that were engineered. |
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