Tithing 10% of your income/earned money to the church is NOT scriptural.

I base my tithe on on what Abraham did:

(Genesis 14:18-20)
And Melchizedek king of Shalem brought out bread and wine; now he was a priest of God Most High. And he blessed him and said, "Blessed be Abram of God Most High, possessor of heaven and earth; and blessed be God Most High, who has delivered your enemies into your hand." And he gave him a tenth of all.

It is obvious that even with Cain and Abel God established offerings.... I give to God through my church.

Last Edited by S.O.S. on 01/11/2012 12:08 AM

What's next? Are you going to say that you don't have to execute people for breaking the Sabbath??? GOD COMMANDED IT!!!!!

watch the video... watch the whole video

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Why aren't more of you Christians out murdering non-believers? God commands it in your bible.

Why aren't you out murdering believers of other religions? God commands that too.

I'm tired of bible thumpers picking and choosing the stuff they want to follow in the bible and ignoring the horrible shit they are suppose to do based on the "word" given same damn book.

If you aren't following it all.. you aren't following at all.

NO! The video is RUBBISH! It's got crappy music and words zooming around! No way will I watch all of that!!!

Pretty Sure that was the Ancient jewish people Who Kept ALL The Ten Commandments of God on Penalty of Death, they were also meant to keep money aside for the poor who needed it amongst them, but that never happened.

Pretty Sure God want's us still to keep his Commandments, But Killing people who brake them isn't God's Will, maybe killing your relationship with them instead Would be more appropriate

Thread: The Bible God: Cruel, Savage, Deranged, Evil, Barbaric, Intolerant, Insanely Jealous, Vengeful and Bloodthirsty?

Then why would God command people to be killed if He didn't want that?


12 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,

13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.
(Exodus 31:12-14)


Surely everybody can accept that God commanded that. If people are saying they are obeying the Torah, then obviously they must accept that God commanded the death penalty for breaking the Sabbath. It's in the Torah!

(see.. i can do that too)

I'm also not reading 16 pages of a thread.

Death to non-believers..

"They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman." (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

you dont have to read the thread, but the link is handy.

despite your inaccuracy to the context of those passages, we are not discussing OT law. We are now under NT law.

if you dont like the topic, feel free to bug out.

thanks.

You God haters love to twist scripture for obvious reasons. Look as hard as you want, but you will not find a single scripture in the New Testament that commands violence against another human being to advance the faith. You can compare that against say the Muslim religion or the atheist religion, which killed some 100 million people through Stalin and Mao.

On the contrary Jesus commands us to Love our enemies. Moreover christians are not under old testament law, since all of it's requirements have been fulfilled and completed through Jesus Christ and his sacrifice on the cross.

So you're suppose to follow the new testament now... and not the old testament.

The new testament is what is right, is that what you are saying?

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....interesting....

technically, yes.
but, if you really want the answers to your questions, i suggest checking out the link i provided in that thread.

By grace giving it should be far more.

10% is for noobs.

When you are born again by the Spirit.....you are no longer under the law......but under grace.


If you tithe as a Christian.....you put yourself back under the law in regard to your giving. Sin will be aroused by the law as Paul wrote in Romans Chp 7.


We are warned several places in Scripture not to return to the law. Christ is the mediator of the New Covenant.


As such, tithers can fall into sinful thoughts such as being better that those that don't tithe,,,,,,,,,expecting something back from God......becoming less happy about the amount over time.....etc. etc. etc.


Paul to Christians:


"So let each one give as he purposes in his heart, not grudgingly OR OF COMPULSION; for God loves a CHEERFUL giver." (2 Cor. 9:7)

Tithing however is giving by compulsion....or obligation.


Let the Spirit guide you in your giving.....and let it be that you give the money with a cheerful heart.


The Laws of the Tithe are not followed properly anyway in the church.........as God required unblemished animals, first fruits, etc. There were many requirements......which are not followed by the Church. Money was never tithed in the Old Testament......as money is dirty. Churches sadly pressure people to tithe to keep up with the bills. However, we are instructed to preach the gospel for free (rather than as a profession).......and the early believers had no mortgages to pay.....as they met in homes.


So.....churches will say.....sure...tithes are welcome. But then they will never mention such things as divorce. They want to keep the numbers up. Sad. Scripture however is clear......God hates divorce.

you got that right!

Since you haven't replied... i'll go ahead and speak.

Since you're obviously implying that the Old Testament laws are invalid because Jesus "died on the cross" and all that, breaking way for the new testament which you Christians so devoutly worship now...

“For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)

...that would be Jesus himself saying what was commanded before his time should not be ignored.

Then there's this:

"Know this first of all, that there is no prophecy of scripture that is a matter of personal interpretation, for no prophecy ever came through human will; but rather human beings moved by the holy Spirit spoke under the influence of God." (2 Peter 20-21 NAB)

...guess you shouldn't be assuming that you should live by the NT instead of the OT.

and then there's this:

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

...which is Jesus basically saying "um.. my existence or death does not put to rest what is commanded in the old testament."


your turn.

i did respond. twice.

and regarding your above scripture interpretation.

you are wrong.

Jesus became the atonement for sin. he FULFILLED the law, stood in its place, became everything its former purpose was for. the law is NO LONGER VALID.

we are talking about tithing. please stay on topic.

lol.



Come up with whatever makes you sleep better at night.

DEFINING TITHE: In Gods Word the Tithe was Always Only Food!

The false teaching is that biblical tithes include ALL sources of income.


Use Gods Word to define tithe and not a secular dictionary! Using a complete Bible concordance you will discover that the definition used by tithe-advocates is wrong. In Gods Word tithe does not stand alone. Although money existed before tithing, the source of God's "tithe" over 1500 years was never money. It was the tithe of food. True biblical tithes were always only food from the farms and herds of only Israelites who only lived inside Gods Holy Land, the national boundary of Israel. No tithes were accepted from defiled pagan lands. The increase was gathered from what God miraculously produced and not from man's craft or ability.


There are 16 verses from 11 chapters and 8 books from Leviticus 27 to Luke 11 which describe the contents of the tithe. And the contents never (again), never included money, silver, gold or anything other than food from inside Israel! Yet the incorrect definition of "tithe" is the greatest error being preached about tithing today! (See Lev. 27:30, 32; Num. 18:27-28; Deut. 12:17; 14:22-23; 26:12; 2 Chron. 31:5-6; Neh. 10:37; 13:5; Mal. 3:10-11; Matt. 23:23; Luke 11: 42).

"...and a preacher on the old time gospel hour stealing money from the sick and the old.

Well the God I believe in isn't short of cash, mister..."



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SOME SHOCKING TRUTHS ABOUT THE CHRISTIAN TITHING DOCTRINE

1 Abraham never tithed on his own personal property or livestock.

2 Jacob wouldn’t tithe until God blessed him first.

3 Only Levite priests could collect tithes, and there are no Levite priests today.

4 Only food products from the land were tithable.

5 Money was never a tithable commodity.

6 Christian converts were never asked to tithe anything to the Church.

7 Tithing in the Church first appears centuries after completion of the Bible.

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