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Jesus was raised up as a spirit. Does that mean the disciples could reach right thru him?

 
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"Why, even Christ died once for all time concerning sins, a righteous [person] for unrighteous ones, that he might lead YOU to God, he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit" 1Pe3:18 :spock:
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Blessed Mary of Agreda was given revelation about Our Lord's
Resurrection in the 17th century.

An excerpt, the Mystical
City of God, Chapter 11 ~ The Resurrection.

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The divine soul of Christ our Redeemer remained in limbo from half past three of Friday afternoon, until after three of the Sunday morning following. During this hour He returned to the Sepulchre as the victorious Prince of the angels and of the saints, whom had delivered from those nether prisons as Spoils of His victory and as an earnest of His glorious triumph over the chastised and prostrate rebels of hell. In the sepulchre were many angels as its guard, venerating the sacred body united to the Divinity. Some of them, obeying the command of their Queen and Mistress, had gathered the relics of the sacred blood shed by her divine Son, the particles of flesh scattered about, the hair torn from his divine face and head, and all else that belonged to the perfection and integrity of his most sacred humanity. On these the Mother of prudence lavished her solicitous care. The angels took charge of these relics, each one filled with joy at being privileged to hold the particles, which he was able to secure. Before any change was made, the body of the Redeemer was shown to the holy Fathers, in the same wounded, lacerated and disfigured state in which it was left by the cruelty of the jewish people. Beholding Him thus disfigured in death, the Patriarchs and Prophets and other saints adored Him and again confessed Him as the incarnate Word, who had truly taken upon Himself our infirmities and sorrows (Is. 53, 4) and paid abundantly our debts, satisfying in his innocence and guiltlessness for what we ourselves owed to the justice of the eternal Father. There did our first parents Adam and Eve see the havoc wrought by their disobedience, the priceless remedy it necessitated, the immense goodness and mercy of the Redeemer. As they felt the effects of his copious Redemption in the glory of their souls, they praised anew the Omnipotent and Saints of saints, who had with such marvelous wisdom wrought such a salvation.

Then, in the presence of all those saints, through the ministry of those angels, were united to the sacred body all the relics, which they had gathered, restoring it to its natural perfection and integrity. In the same moment the most holy soul reunited with the body, giving it immortal life and glory. Instead of the winding-sheets and the ointments, in which it had been buried, it was clothed with the four gifts of glory, namely: with clearness, impassibility, agility and subtility (John 19, 40). These gifts overflowed from the immense glory of the soul of Christ into the sacred body. Although these gifts were due to it as a natural inheritance and participation from the instant of its conception, because from that very moment his soul was glorified and his whole humanity was united to the Divinity; yet they had been suspended in their effects upon the purest body, in order to permit it to remain passable and capable of meriting for us our own glory. In the Resurrection these gifts were justly called into activity in the proper degree corresponding to the glory of his soul and to his union with the Divinity. As the glory of the most holy soul of Christ our Savior is incomprehensible and ineffable to man, it is also impossible entirely to describe in our words or by our examples the glorious gifts of his deified body; for in comparison to its purity, crystal would be obscure. The light inherent and shining forth from his body so far exceeds that of the others, as the day does the night, or as many suns the light of one star; and all the beauty of creatures, if it were joined, would appear ugliness in comparison with his, nothing else being comparable to It in all creation.

The excellence of these gifts in the Resurrection were far beyond the glory of his Transfiguration or that manifested on other occasions of the kind men mentioned in this history. For on these occasions He received it transitorily and for special purposes, while now He received it in plenitude and forever. Through impassibility his body became invincible to all created power, since no power can ever move or change Him. By subtility the gross and earthly matter was so purified, that it could now penetrate other matter like a pure spirit. Accordingly He penetrated through the rocks of the sepulchre without removing or displacing them, as He had issued forth from the womb of his most blessed Mother. Agility so freed Him from the weight and slowness of matter, that it exceeded the agility of the immaterial angels, while He himself could move about more quickly than they, as shown in his apparitions to the Apostles and on other occasions. The sacred wounds, which had disfigured his body, now shone forth from his hands and feet and side so refulgent and brilliant, that they added a most entrancing beauty and charm. In all this glory and heavenly adornment the Savior now arose from the grave; and in the presence of the saints and Patriarchs He promised universal resurrection in their own flesh and body to all men, and that they moreover, as an effect of his own Resurrection, should be similarly glorified.
As an earnest and as a pledge of the universal resurrection, the Lord commanded the souls of many saints there present to reunite with their bodies and rise up to immortal life. Immediately this divine command was executed, and their bodies arose, as is mentioned by saint Matthew, in anticipation of this mystery (Matthew 27, 52). Among them were saint Anne, saint Joseph and saint Joachim, and others of the ancient Fathers and Patriarchs, who had distinguished themselves in the faith and hope of the Incarnation, and had desired and prayed for it with greater earnestness to the Lord. As a reward for their zeal, the resurrection and glory of their bodies was now anticipated.
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"Why, even Christ died once for all time concerning sins, a righteous [person] for unrighteous ones, that he might lead YOU to God, he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit" 1Pe3:18 :spock:
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No. after the resurrection he said to them "handle me a spirit
has not flesh and bone"...he now has a glorified body with
unlimited capacities.
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"Why, even Christ died once for all time concerning sins, a righteous [person] for unrighteous ones, that he might lead YOU to God, he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit" 1Pe3:18 :spock:
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No. after the resurrection he said to them "handle me a spirit
has not flesh and bone"...he now has a glorified body with
unlimited capacities.
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don't debate with this slave J-dub troll.
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"Why, even Christ died once for all time concerning sins, a righteous [person] for unrighteous ones, that he might lead YOU to God, he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit" 1Pe3:18 :spock:
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No. after the resurrection he said to them "handle me a spirit
has not flesh and bone"...he now has a glorified body with
unlimited capacities.
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Was it a body made of flesh? I ask because he appeared to his disciples in a room with the door shut?
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problem with that leading;
He said only through him could you get to the father, I however can not find the part where GOD rescinded the put no one or thing before me.

Care to point that one out, which one is the liar anyway ?
If its the original GOD that was lying then surely we cant believe anything the "son of man" said. Unless we believe that alone, "son of man" and man is sin..... He sure said it a lot, figured someone else has read that much of the fable by now.
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"Why, even Christ died once for all time concerning sins, a righteous [person] for unrighteous ones, that he might lead YOU to God, he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit" 1Pe3:18 :spock:
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the verse concerns his death and ressurection
after hid death
look at the order of the sentence
it refers to the bodily resurrection
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"Why, even Christ died once for all time concerning sins, a righteous [person] for unrighteous ones, that he might lead YOU to God, he being put to death in the flesh, but being made alive in the spirit" 1Pe3:18 :spock:
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No. after the resurrection he said to them "handle me a spirit
has not flesh and bone"...he now has a glorified body with
unlimited capacities.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3405890

Was it a body made of flesh? I ask because he appeared to his disciples in a room with the door shut?
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The question was answered.

You didn't read the message from Heaven. Your intention
at GLP is to mock Christ. To spend your time this way.

Jesus Mercy.
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problem with that leading;
He said only through him could you get to the father, I however can not find the part where GOD rescinded the put no one or thing before me.

Care to point that one out, which one is the liar anyway ?
If its the original GOD that was lying then surely we cant believe anything the "son of man" said. Unless we believe that alone, "son of man" and man is sin..... He sure said it a lot, figured someone else has read that much of the fable by now.
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Good question, but the answer is simple;
'“I am Jehovah your God, who have brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slaves.  You must not have any other gods against my face.
 “You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or that is on the earth underneath or that is in the waters under the earth.  You must not bow down to them nor be induced to serve them, because I Jehovah your God am a God exacting exclusive devotion" Ex20:2
Jesus is not "before" Jehovah, as a religious idol to worship (Catholicism), but he is Jehovah's appointed middleman by which sinful mankind can prey to God.
"This is fine and acceptable in the sight of our Savior, God, whose will is that all sorts of men should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth. For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a man, Christ Jesus,  who gave himself a corresponding ransom for all." 1Ti2:3

You asked a good question but, I caution you about casting that "liar" stone heaven ward, discression is the better part of valor, and man is only made of clay.

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Jesus is fully God and fully man, glorified in Heaven.
He was raised from the dead by His divine nature.
As He had power to lay down His life, so He had power to take it up again.

No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
John 10:18

Because of His work on the cross, this same life giving Spirit dwells within his called chosen and elected :

Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
2 Corinthians 1:22

in whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 1:13
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Jesus is fully God and fully man, glorified in Heaven.
He was raised from the dead by His divine nature.
As He had power to lay down His life, so He had power to take it up again.

No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
John 10:18

Because of His work on the cross, this same life giving Spirit dwells within his called chosen and elected :

Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
2 Corinthians 1:22

in whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Ephesians 1:13
 Quoting: Ohwow!

Reviewing things learned together leads to mutual refinement.
"Because of His work on the cross, this same life giving Spirit dwells within his called chosen and elected" What does this mean, his disciples have the power of granting everlasting life?
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Read your Bible. "Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing." John 20:27. Jesus had doubting Thomas feel his physical body because he wouldn't believe it was Jesus in the flesh standing before him.

Jesus retains His humanity for eternity, thus linking us with the Godhead with a never-ending bond. He retains a literal physical body.

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Matter and antimatter cannot exist in the same space time so the answer is no.
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Matter and antimatter cannot exist in the same space time so the answer is no.
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Interesting...but, what is antimatter, as if anyone knows. If your right that reveals spirit creatures (meaning angels) are not made of that whatever stuff. They must be made of some form of Jehovah himself, as he explains regarding the universe;
"“But to whom can YOU people liken me so that I should be made his equal?” says the Holy One. “Raise YOUR eyes high up and see. Who has created these things? It is the One who is bringing forth the army of them even by number, all of whom he calls even by name. Due to the abundance of dynamic energy, he also being vigorous in power, not one [of them] is missing." Isa40:25
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"Because of His work on the cross, this same life giving Spirit dwells within his called chosen and elected" What does this mean, his disciples have the power of granting everlasting life
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You know this answer, but I will answer anyway. No, his disciples are the recipients of this life giving Spirit, the Holy Spirit. Jesus is God - in Him dwells fully the Godhead, undivided, yet three.

Only God has power to raise the dead, the Holy Spirit is the seal of our Salvation until we are fully redeemed, at the end of this age, when this corruptible body will be raised in incorruptible eternal bodies, no more sin, no more death, no more tears.
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"Because of His work on the cross, this same life giving Spirit dwells within his called chosen and elected" What does this mean, his disciples have the power of granting everlasting life
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You know this answer, but I will answer anyway. No, his disciples are the recipients of this life giving Spirit, the Holy Spirit. Jesus is God - in Him dwells fully the Godhead, undivided, yet three.

Only God has power to raise the dead, the Holy Spirit is the seal of our Salvation until we are fully redeemed, at the end of this age, when this corruptible body will be raised in incorruptible eternal bodies, no more sin, no more death, no more tears.
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If Jesus is God, who's the trinity?
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If Jesus is God, who's the trinity?
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God the Father God the Son God the Holy Spirit

All equal in power


Jn.14:26, 1Cor.2:13 He teaches us Gal.5:18, Rom.8:9 he is our guide. These are important functions of someone who is alive, with emotion and personal interaction. How can he do this for all believers unless he has the omnipresence and omniscience that God has. Rom.8:26-27 groans along with us, he intercedes for us to the Father ( this gives him personality and feelings) 1 Thess.1:6 he Gives us joy. He also hears from the Father Jn.16:13 and he is able to testify of the Son Jn.15:26. The Spirits role is to convince unbelievers of sin righteousness and judgment, this means intelligence. The Spirit is also attributed to being the author of Holy Scripture which gives him communication skills also part of intelligence. In Rev.14:13 we find the Spirit speaks from heaven saying "write." All these characteristics give personal identity to the Holy Spirit, which makes him a personal and distinct from the father and the Son.

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If Jesus is God, who's the trinity?
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God the Father God the Son God the Holy Spirit

All equal in power


Jn.14:26, 1Cor.2:13 He teaches us Gal.5:18, Rom.8:9 he is our guide. These are important functions of someone who is alive, with emotion and personal interaction. How can he do this for all believers unless he has the omnipresence and omniscience that God has. Rom.8:26-27 groans along with us, he intercedes for us to the Father ( this gives him personality and feelings) 1 Thess.1:6 he Gives us joy. He also hears from the Father Jn.16:13 and he is able to testify of the Son Jn.15:26. The Spirits role is to convince unbelievers of sin righteousness and judgment, this means intelligence. The Spirit is also attributed to being the author of Holy Scripture which gives him communication skills also part of intelligence. In Rev.14:13 we find the Spirit speaks from heaven saying "write." All these characteristics give personal identity to the Holy Spirit, which makes him a personal and distinct from the father and the Son.

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Hmmmm..... Jesus has a different opinion;
"Jesus spoke these things, and, raising his eyes to heaven, he said: “Father, the hour has come; glorify your son, that your son may glorify you,  according as you have given him authority over all flesh, that, as regards the whole [number] whom you have given him, he may give them everlasting life.  This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you, the only true God, and of the one whom you sent forth, Jesus Christ.  I have glorified you on the earth, having finished the work you have given me to do.  So now you, Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." Jo17:3
Becoming an acceptable disciple of Jesus requires learning to echo him, not contradict him, no?
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Becoming an acceptable disciple of Jesus requires learning to echo him, not contradict him, no?Quote DGN

I guess I am not following you here or what it is you are saying. I worship and follow the Lord Jesus Christ, no way would I obtain His perfections or Godhead. He is my savior. He does the work, I reap the benefits, I believe Him

He is eternal, I am created. I will be glorified in His Kingdom and receive the gift of eternal life from His hand - how do you say I contradict Him? What attribute do I deny Him as God the Son, co eternal and of the same substance as God the Father, God the Holy Spirit?

An acceptable disciple? It is His calling that has declared me acceptable, not my worthiness or potential to earn my worthiness. It is His calling, His suffering, His will, I am but at His mercy and goodness, and I believe Him and believe what He says, it is only my duty (not my works to qualify) to thus do His will in all things, but being still with a fallen nature (the flesh man), I must resist temptation to wander off the strait path, but knowing my nature the Lord Jesus Christ has declared that I may stumble but I will not fall.

Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Philippians 1:6
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All demons are like that. You can see clear through them. But they can manipulate physical matter too, although they can't materialize because their physical flesh returns to the earth at death and their spirit-form from their fallen angel fathers continues to exist.

The Most High, who did not authorize their existence, spoke to Enoch and explained to him that He will destroy them at the designated time of their judgment.
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Becoming an acceptable disciple of Jesus requires learning to echo him, not contradict him, no?Quote DGN

I guess I am not following you here or what it is you are saying. I worship and follow the Lord Jesus Christ, no way would I obtain His perfections or Godhead. He is my savior. He does the work, I reap the benefits, I believe Him

He is eternal, I am created. I will be glorified in His Kingdom and receive the gift of eternal life from His hand - how do you say I contradict Him? What attribute do I deny Him as God the Son, co eternal and of the same substance as God the Father, God the Holy Spirit?

An acceptable disciple? It is His calling that has declared me acceptable, not my worthiness or potential to earn my worthiness. It is His calling, His suffering, His will, I am but at His mercy and goodness, and I believe Him and believe what He says, it is only my duty (not my works to qualify) to thus do His will in all things, but being still with a fallen nature (the flesh man), I must resist temptation to wander off the strait path, but knowing my nature the Lord Jesus Christ has declared that I may stumble but I will not fall.

Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Philippians 1:6
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Here's the problem "I worship and follow the Lord Jesus Christ" Quoting OhWow Jesus never solicited worship for himself, making him a rival object of idolitry. As he explained in his prayer to his father Jehovah, not talking to himself,
"This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you the only true God... and Jesus" Jo17:3
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Jesus never solicited worship for himself, making him a rival object of idolitry. As he explained in his prayer to his father Jehovah, not talking to himself,...
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I could quite a few passages where Jesus did not correct people that once they knew who He was, worshiped Him. Most did not know who He was and wanted to follow Him because of the miracles he performed or they thought (by a misunderstanding of the scriptures) He was to come and destroy the Roman overlords and make Israel the foremost Kingdom on earth, an earthly kingdom - Jesus told us/them His Kingdom is not of this world.

He did not let the demons declare who He was and silenced them, because the witness of a lying demon would not be allowed to be a witness to the good news to the Church (the called out ones) of Jesus Christ through the ages of time. Jesus gave it to those that loved Him to announce the Good News. Some that were healed were told not to tell it, He knew the people, in their misunderstanding of His Kingdom plan, they would forcefully try to cause Him to take the throne of Jerusalem. What a war that would have been, and even still, it was not time for Jesus to take His rightful throne over the whole earth, because He would first have to make a way for the subjects of that Kingdom to enter in. He had to go to the cross but the people would have rather had a conquering King, not a meek and humble King.

But not to despair, He will be back. The Lion of the Tribe of Judah, the King of kings and Lord of Lords. To rule and reign over an eternal Kingdom. It is Jesus that only could have been the perfect sacrifice, because all men have fallen and could not rescue themselves from the curse of death. Thus the only redeemer possible for mankind, the kinsman-redeemer (see Ruth)

"‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I am!’ At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.”

This is a powerful double claim from Jesus: first, that He preexisted His human birth and was actually alive and present (as God) before Abraham; second, that His title was “I am” -- which was the same title used for Jehovah God in Exodus 3:14. His listeners got the point, and picked up stones to execute Him for blasphemy!

John 8:58-59

blasphemy - claiming to be God or equal with God

This is just to explain where I stand.
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Jesus is Jehovah
He said so
He is not a man who did good.
He is our kinsman redeemer
Why did the witnesses rewrite the King James Bible? because the Bible doesn't fit their doctrine.

I had one in the yard misquoting scriptures to me and when I told him that I was going to be a Berean and check them out because they sounded wrong, he became angry and left.
Internet research revealed that the dingbat that translated the original texts into English had ZERO ability to do so. He made the scriptures up from the King James.

Satan asks, did God really say...
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They should make a religious sub forum to save people from having to wade through the nonsene.
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Re: Jesus was raised up as a spirit. Does that mean the disciples could reach right thru him?
In Rev.14:13 we find the Spirit speaks from heaven saying "write." All these characteristics give personal identity to the Holy Spirit, which makes him a personal and distinct from the father and the Son.
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1The revelation of Jesus Christ, which

God gave him

to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,... Rev 1


No Trinity in Revelation at all.
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Re: Jesus was raised up as a spirit. Does that mean the disciples could reach right thru him?
Jesus is Jehovah
He said so
He is not a man who did good.
He is our kinsman redeemer
Why did the witnesses rewrite the King James Bible? because the Bible doesn't fit their doctrine.

I had one in the yard misquoting scriptures to me and when I told him that I was going to be a Berean and check them out because they sounded wrong, he became angry and left.
Internet research revealed that the dingbat that translated the original texts into English had ZERO ability to do so. He made the scriptures up from the King James.

Satan asks, did God really say...
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Jesus said he was Jehovah? Let's see;
"Then Jesus was led by the spirit up into the wilderness to be tempted by the Devil. 2 After he had fasted forty days and forty nights, then he felt hungry. 3 Also, the Tempter came and said to him: “If you are a son of God, tell these stones to become loaves of bread.” 4 But in reply he said: “It is written, ‘Man must live, not on bread alone, but on every utterance coming forth through Jehovah’s mouth.’”
5 Then the Devil took him along into the holy city, and he stationed him upon the battlement of the temple 6 and said to him: “If you are a son of God, hurl yourself down; for it is written, ‘He will give his angels a charge concerning you, and they will carry you on their hands, that you may at no time strike your foot against a stone.’” 7 Jesus said to him: “Again it is written, ‘You must not put Jehovah your God to the test.’”
8 Again the Devil took him along to an unusually high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory, 9 and he said to him: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.” 10 Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written, ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’” 11 Then the Devil left him," Jo4:1
Where sis Jesus claim to be Jehovah?
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Not this shit again...who cares...
arguing over this is not important
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1 cor 15 explains this 1 John 4 is a warning ;-)

1 cor 13 we must love one another regardless

love rb
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[link to christiandefense.org] is a great christian apologetics site, it will help.
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