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Publius User ID: 1865593 United States 02/19/2012 02:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I suspect we are in the midst of a confusion about art and cultural status seeking. Your twenty something has a taste for artiness, coolness, ipad covers say, ipads, smart phones, mass art, like album cover art, but it is not usually what we see curated in museums. Except in San Francisco we have a Yerba Buena Art Museum/Cultural Center that strives to bring the most modern and recent art forward-our Museum of Modern art usually lags a couple years behind. In fact, much of the "art" in museums that is modern starting pre-Warhol as Abstract Expressionism-which we know now was financed and approved by first the OSS then the CIA. My source for this statement is a book called the Cultural Cold War. The idea was to promote viral masculine hyper-American art vs, muralism or communist art. Another way of saying this is that once cultural taste makers had power and prestige and did not mind using it. The OSS/CIa funded Porgy and Bess to tour war blasted Europe also. And paid for the Boston Symphony to do this as well. Art is also found in well made things that once were craft items but now thanks to technology are mass produced items. And there is something inherently artistic in handicrafts. Still to have a discussion with a person we need to decide what is and is not art. We can look at Hundertwasser House in Vienna and ask if it is art. We can look at the sewage plant he designed and ask the same question. We can look at Jeff Koons and ask is it called arty kitsch. Then there is also photography which as Renoir noted would improve the quaality of the art made as portraits now would be photographic. And photography has become high aart-see Gerhard Richter. Then there is art like that of Ai Weiwei which is conceptual art, his twittering and blogging are internet based art and he has as well monumental art. The art cult requires status seekers and those young .com folks buy luxury goods to flash-these are unsophisticated new rich. In a big city you can go into art galleries and look around at their walls and look in museums as well to get an idea of art. To go to an art opening though is a bit harder, you have to demonstrate bona fides as a collector to some exent. |
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T of G User ID: 11080446 Italy 02/19/2012 07:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is painting, sculpture, and constructions of all types, and various mediums to try to make something visual that seems to have a "life" of its own and sometimes the attempts even reach such high levels that it could even be real art. Real Art is very difficult to create, make, or achieve. It is in another realm altogether from the ordinary. So what I think has been done by those who never put in the tremendous amount of work and effort to make even one or a few pieces of creative work in a lifetime, that could really be called ART, the less serious; for who it is mostly a hobby lowered the standards and decided to call "art" anything they seemed to like at the time they labeled it, or whatever mess they could slop together, and put some kind of frame around it. AND THEN CLAIM: ITS "ART BECAUSE I CLAIM IT TO BE ART". An easier way to see it is perhaps with another medium; MUSIC. Since we are all more trained to hear what may be considered music, and so we can easier tell when it may not be music at all but just NOISE. Not all, but to some who dedicated their lives to be 'artists' when a piece of work is near the realm of 'art' some signals go off inside them, to make them take a closer look. Certain money groups have taken control of the 'art world' and have brought the traditional accepted levels down to where absolute junk is often considered 'art' because some art reviewer decides it is. Its a tricky area at best. ... |
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RedlicoriceRedux User ID: 11150498 Canada 02/20/2012 11:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just buy what you love, after learning as much as you can about art and art history, of course. Excerpt: If you can't make it to New York, you might want to try an online auction. Internet auctioneer eBay recently purchased Butterfield Auctioneers (EBAY), the San Francisco auction house. The move was seen as eBay's bid to take on the art world's elite, Christie's and Sotheby's, which will launch their own auction Web sites this fall (for more about Internet art auctions, see accompanying story, ''A Treasure Chest of Art Online?''). also... You also need a grasp of basic art concepts. Gilbert Edelson, administrative vice-president of the Art Dealers Association of America, recommends a classic, The Story of Art, by Ernest Gombrich (Phaidon Press, $49.95). You can buy Art & Antiques and other magazines for lists of exhibitions. Many museums and auction houses run collectors' seminars, too. And high-end art fairs allow you to browse multiple styles and artists at one time. [link to www.businessweek.com] |
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T of G User ID: 11158957 Italy 02/20/2012 01:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's like, we are a society that values novelty over substance now, and I was writing about how the only practical way art has any meaning now is in the substance we find immediately surrounding ourselves. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11067610 I agree with you that the 'it's art because I say it's art' ruined it for those who truly had practiced their craft, but I argue that regardless, those who practice are speaking to an empty room. To chose to be a real artist, means one has chosen to spend a lot of time alone,....... by themselves. And it is not easy for some to do that. And this means often to live like a monk. And if one can do that and learn to enjoy their own solitude, and have a real love for beauty and the work of other artists, then when one goes to a museum they will feel like they are in the presence of others who were just like themselves but of another time, who also chose to be artists and they are now exhibited for others to see what they discovered. Its a great feeling. Its not about exhibitions and partying, as many believe, although some in the artists make partying their only real effort at creativity. Being alone for such long periods can have tremendous benefits also because one can get to really know themselves. And especially if one elects to study spiritual material. Warhol although shy and strange, obviously liked "drama" and especially to party, and seemed to have such a need for the strangest people around him that he becomes more interesting than much of his 'work'. There have been quite a few of the big name "artists" who "make it" often having very talented young painters paint their work for them. And they probably pay them a minimum wage in relation to amount of money they may make when the "art work" is exhibited and bought by someone who 'fell in love' with the 'masterpiece' done by the 'original artist'. Actually the only thing some of them do when they become very successful is perhaps figure out what they want done, have others do it and then SIGN their name on the work done by their employees. THESE ARE CERTAINLY NOT THE REAL ARTISTS/MONKS I MENTIONED, These others are the ones who like to party and smooze. And they have a great need to feel rich and famous. ........... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 9281005 Canada 02/20/2012 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Art is NOT a commodity. Not is it meant to be "SELF" expression. Therefore no one is seeing the True Art that is out there. Art because of Warhol is DEAD. Rock and Roll as the Sex Pistols so clearly pointed out is also dead. The Human Being is also dead or might as well be as species and spiritual growth in all things that matter has died. Thank you for playing. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9281005 Canada 02/20/2012 02:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's like, we are a society that values novelty over substance now, and I was writing about how the only practical way art has any meaning now is in the substance we find immediately surrounding ourselves. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11067610 I agree with you that the 'it's art because I say it's art' ruined it for those who truly had practiced their craft, but I argue that regardless, those who practice are speaking to an empty room. To chose to be a real artist, means one has chosen to spend a lot of time alone,....... by themselves. And it is not easy for some to do that. And this means often to live like a monk. And if one can do that and learn to enjoy their own solitude, and have a real love for beauty and the work of other artists, then when one goes to a museum they will feel like they are in the presence of others who were just like themselves but of another time, who also chose to be artists and they are now exhibited for others to see what they discovered. Its a great feeling. Its not about exhibitions and partying, as many believe, although some in the artists make partying their only real effort at creativity. Being alone for such long periods can have tremendous benefits also because one can get to really know themselves. And especially if one elects to study spiritual material. Warhol although shy and strange, obviously liked "drama" and especially to party, and seemed to have such a need for the strangest people around him that he becomes more interesting than much of his 'work'. There have been quite a few of the big name "artists" who "make it" often having very talented young painters paint their work for them. And they probably pay them a minimum wage in relation to amount of money they may make when the "art work" is exhibited and bought by someone who 'fell in love' with the 'masterpiece' done by the 'original artist'. Actually the only thing some of them do when they become very successful is perhaps figure out what they want done, have others do it and then SIGN their name on the work done by their employees. THESE ARE CERTAINLY NOT THE REAL ARTISTS/MONKS I MENTIONED, These others are the ones who like to party and smooze. And they have a great need to feel rich and famous. ........... Interesting points except ONE HUGE MISUNDERSTANDING. ARTISTS DO NOT CHOOSE TO BE ARTISTS. |
T of G User ID: 11158957 Italy 02/20/2012 02:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's like, we are a society that values novelty over substance now, and I was writing about how the only practical way art has any meaning now is in the substance we find immediately surrounding ourselves. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11067610 I agree with you that the 'it's art because I say it's art' ruined it for those who truly had practiced their craft, but I argue that regardless, those who practice are speaking to an empty room. To chose to be a real artist, means one has chosen to spend a lot of time alone,....... by themselves. And it is not easy for some to do that. And this means often to live like a monk. And if one can do that and learn to enjoy their own solitude, and have a real love for beauty and the work of other artists, then when one goes to a museum they will feel like they are in the presence of others who were just like themselves but of another time, who also chose to be artists and they are now exhibited for others to see what they discovered. Its a great feeling. Its not about exhibitions and partying, as many believe, although some in the artists make partying their only real effort at creativity. Being alone for such long periods can have tremendous benefits also because one can get to really know themselves. And especially if one elects to study spiritual material. Warhol although shy and strange, obviously liked "drama" and especially to party, and seemed to have such a need for the strangest people around him that he becomes more interesting than much of his 'work'. There have been quite a few of the big name "artists" who "make it" often having very talented young painters paint their work for them. And they probably pay them a minimum wage in relation to amount of money they may make when the "art work" is exhibited and bought by someone who 'fell in love' with the 'masterpiece' done by the 'original artist'. Actually the only thing some of them do when they become very successful is perhaps figure out what they want done, have others do it and then SIGN their name on the work done by their employees. THESE ARE CERTAINLY NOT THE REAL ARTISTS/MONKS I MENTIONED, These others are the ones who like to party and smooze. And they have a great need to feel rich and famous. ........... Interesting points except ONE HUGE MISUNDERSTANDING. ARTISTS DO NOT CHOOSE TO BE ARTISTS. Are you sure? Everything we do is a choice, because we all have free-will. That's how we were created to be. Now there may be some/many who never get a chance to find that part of their creative potential, because they lazily focused on what they thought might be more fun. Like the thousands of distractions and addictions all around us which try to show us a 'good time'. THEN THEY FIND TIME FLEW BY AND THEY GOT NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT. They'll reincarnate and take another crack at it,.... we all do. ... |
T of G User ID: 11158957 Italy 02/20/2012 04:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's like, we are a society that values novelty over substance now, and I was writing about how the only practical way art has any meaning now is in the substance we find immediately surrounding ourselves. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11067610 There probably are levels of higher art which go beyond the individual artist creating his or her individual work reflecting their personal love for certain type of work such as representational; Degas, or more abstract; Picasso or non representational work; Kandinsky, Pollack. I have an idea and I am trying to make sense of what I just wrote,....... and I think this might make it clearer. All of those artists were great in my estimation, but Degas and Picasso may have been more about reflecting their personal and individualistic ideas of what they loved about this world. but Kandinsky and Pollack may have gone even further by extending visually beyond the familiar to another level of experience the spiritual, which has less or at times even nothing to do with the material world as we experience it in this world. ....but who knows for sure? "The Shadow knows!" ..??? ... |
thiklin User ID: 10449900 Canada 02/20/2012 04:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's like, we are a society that values novelty over substance now, and I was writing about how the only practical way art has any meaning now is in the substance we find immediately surrounding ourselves. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 11067610 I agree with you that the 'it's art because I say it's art' ruined it for those who truly had practiced their craft, but I argue that regardless, those who practice are speaking to an empty room. To chose to be a real artist, means one has chosen to spend a lot of time alone,....... by themselves. And it is not easy for some to do that. And this means often to live like a monk. And if one can do that and learn to enjoy their own solitude, and have a real love for beauty and the work of other artists, then when one goes to a museum they will feel like they are in the presence of others who were just like themselves but of another time, who also chose to be artists and they are now exhibited for others to see what they discovered. Its a great feeling. Its not about exhibitions and partying, as many believe, although some in the artists make partying their only real effort at creativity. Being alone for such long periods can have tremendous benefits also because one can get to really know themselves. And especially if one elects to study spiritual material. Warhol although shy and strange, obviously liked "drama" and especially to party, and seemed to have such a need for the strangest people around him that he becomes more interesting than much of his 'work'. There have been quite a few of the big name "artists" who "make it" often having very talented young painters paint their work for them. And they probably pay them a minimum wage in relation to amount of money they may make when the "art work" is exhibited and bought by someone who 'fell in love' with the 'masterpiece' done by the 'original artist'. Actually the only thing some of them do when they become very successful is perhaps figure out what they want done, have others do it and then SIGN their name on the work done by their employees. THESE ARE CERTAINLY NOT THE REAL ARTISTS/MONKS I MENTIONED, These others are the ones who like to party and smooze. And they have a great need to feel rich and famous. ........... Interesting points except ONE HUGE MISUNDERSTANDING. ARTISTS DO NOT CHOOSE TO BE ARTISTS. Are you sure? Everything we do is a choice, because we all have free-will. That's how we were created to be. Now there may be some/many who never get a chance to find that part of their creative potential, because they lazily focused on what they thought might be more fun. Like the thousands of distractions and addictions all around us which try to show us a 'good time'. THEN THEY FIND TIME FLEW BY AND THEY GOT NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT. They'll reincarnate and take another crack at it,.... we all do. ... Some love to call themselves artists because for some reason the lifestyle seems quite attractive still. These are the people who have no idea what work is and how hard it is to keep your head above water. But most people who feel that art is their calling, never CHOSE it. It's just something that you keep coming back to over and over, and at one point you can't suppress it anymore. I know, because i've been there. |
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T of G User ID: 11198188 Italy 02/21/2012 08:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: T of G 11158957 Interesting points except ONE HUGE MISUNDERSTANDING. ARTISTS DO NOT CHOOSE TO BE ARTISTS. Are you sure? Everything we do is a choice, because we all have free-will. That's how we were created to be. Now there may be some/many who never get a chance to find that part of their creative potential, because they lazily focused on what they thought might be more fun. Like the thousands of distractions and addictions all around us which try to show us a 'good time'. THEN THEY FIND TIME FLEW BY AND THEY GOT NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT. They'll reincarnate and take another crack at it,.... we all do. ... Some love to call themselves artists because for some reason the lifestyle seems quite attractive still. These are the people who have no idea what work is and how hard it is to keep your head above water. But most people who feel that art is their calling, never CHOSE it. It's just something that you keep coming back to over and over, and at one point you can't suppress it anymore. I know, because i've been there. I think I understand your idea. But to expand it a bit, to see if we can find out more would be fun.... Now each of us is communicating from our own thoughts and experiences, and that means we each have a perception of what is true. NOT THE WHOLE TRUTH, BUT ONLY A PERCEPTION (a limited point of view) And that perception is ALWAYS limited, because we are only expressing what we learned from our limited personal experience and viewpoint. That's why it is so hard to get people to agree on most things. Each person has had different experiences. And each thinks it must be the WHOLE TRUTH. SO WE TRY TO FIND SOMETHING WHICH WE ALL SHARE AND CAN AGREE ON BUT THAT'S NOT ALWAYS EASY. Its not necessary but if one has their horoscope done, it will generally give the various strengths and potentials and interests GENERALLY associated with a person born on any of our birthdates. Now if you study astrology you may come to an understanding of why that would be. ..... And then again you might not if that part of it didn't interest you. We are ALL created by God to be a creative energy SPIRIT! BUT ART IS ONLY ONE OF THE WAYS TO EXPRESS OUR CREATIVE ENERGIES IN THIS WORLD. And maybe because experiences of our past lives and lessons we have to learn, some potentials of ours in this life may not be realized, because it may be more beneficial to learn our SPECIFIC lesson if it was not realized. Or it may be realized, because it would help us confront the problems and lessons we have not learned in our previous lives, and can get another chance to try to make better choices in this life. IT IS ALL ABOUT CHOICES AND LESSONS TO LEARN!= KARMA! AND HOW TO FIND OUR WAY OUT OF THIS WORLD AND TO THE HIGHER SPIRITUAL LEVELS WHERE WE REALLY BELONG. Sometimes art is the one of the ONLY ways we can feel a sense of where we really belong, because if its visual, it might hint at IT. If its music, it might give us the right sounds which lift our spirits to REMEMBER Where we really belong. I think that is the most important thing about ART. It sometimes, if it is of a high spiritual level, can give us a sense of ANOTHER world where things are as they should be. The fame and glory are the traps of the "ART WORLD". But the place it can take your mind is the real value it can give. . |
T of G User ID: 11198188 Italy 02/21/2012 08:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think 'art' is just ONE of the ways to help us learn about and perhaps even find our way back to where we belong. But the POWER is with each of us, because we are the ones who make the CHOICES! We are not victims of art, but we can easily become a victim of our ego, and that is something we ALL have to continually watch out for so that we can learn to tell the minute our ego tells us what we should do, WE SHOULD NOT DO IT. Because the ego ALWAYS gives us the wrong advice about everything. The Other Voice we have in us to guide us is from God, and it is the Holy Spirit and Christ Self, and when that Voice gives us guidance, WE SHOULD FOLLOW IT, because it always tells us what the right thing to do is. THE IMPORTANT THING IS TO LEARN TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM. . |
RedlicoriceRedux User ID: 11202621 Canada 02/21/2012 08:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think 'art' is just ONE of the ways to help us learn about and perhaps even find our way back to where we belong. But the POWER is with each of us, because we are the ones who make the CHOICES! We are not victims of art, but we can easily become a victim of our ego, and that is something we ALL have to continually watch out for so that we can learn to tell the minute our ego tells us what we should do, WE SHOULD NOT DO IT. Because the ego ALWAYS gives us the wrong advice about everything. The Other Voice we have in us to guide us is from God, and it is the Holy Spirit and Christ Self, and when that Voice gives us guidance, WE SHOULD FOLLOW IT, because it always tells us what the right thing to do is. THE IMPORTANT THING IS TO LEARN TO TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM. . For me, it is not a ego-driven or thought-out choice, but rather more of a creative drive or itch that needs to be scratched. Have you ever seen people doodling mindlessly...they must do it, they are transfixed. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1201807 United States 02/21/2012 08:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I had to stop painting for awhile as it became more about competition than the true enjoyment of Art and painting. I found that to be successful as an artist it's more about 'who' you know than what you know. I know many artists but many painted for the approval of other than themselves. I also think alot don't perfect their talent. Art reflects the changes in man and society. If so many are now on phsychotic meds,the paintings will reflect that, jmo. I will pick up my paint brushes again but when I am ready, not the world. I want to enjoy it again..5* OP |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 10053701 United States 02/21/2012 08:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the problem with art these days, no matter the medium, is that it is produced, mainly, in order to profit or to stroke egos. To me, art is only art, not when someone decrees it as such, but when it is created simply as an emotional outlet, representing a window into the artist's soul in that one moment in time, the time of initial creation. This is why I love when people knock abstract art or what most people refer to as "modern art." Colors & shapes, swirls & dots, people generally mock it. However, works of abstract expressionism is not meant to "look like something", it is simply a representation of feeling, of raw emotion, a play on an idea, which is what all real art should be. The problem we have gotten into in the modern era is that we can easily create with an almost unlimited amount of medium, but what are we actually saying? What is original? Where is the feeling, the nakedness of our expressions? Look around, that is something lacking in nearly every corner of our civilization, not just with the arts. We have genericized everything, mass produced everything, diluted passion & repressed what is actually art. |