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Libby------>Fitzgerald------->Cheney

 
Anders
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Cheney is guilty as hell . We know that by all the lies he told his buddy ,Timmy Russert Cheney was the skipper of the Rat Ship (Bush , first mate Gilligan) that sought to crush the guy who had sufficient credibilty to blow away one his prime hoaxes , The Niger papers. Is it not extortion to knowingly put in danger the wife of a political opponent because that opponent was exposing Cheney´s precious baby , Niger Papers - a fraud that was foisted upon the American people to lie us into war. (2,037 dead)

Mr. Fitzgerald claimed he couldn´t move on Cheney and Libby ,et.al because he can´t prove these two brigands were trying to intimidate Wilson through destroying his wife. He uses the baseball analogy of the pitcher who beaned a batter. Was it intentional or did the baseball get away from him by accident. This reasoning is simply innacurate. As seen the AIPAC case , when a person or cabal of operatives release classified information with the reasonable expectation that said action is likely to damage the national security of the United States, the Espionage Act of 1917 can and should be invoked.

Many associate Espionage with a US Spy betraying his countries interests by handing over classified data to a foreign power. While those actions come under the rubric of the statute , it is not required that the leaker pass information to an agent of a foreign power. Laying the wood on Larry Franklin and giving Libby,Cheney et,al a free pass on Conspiracy to Violate the Espionage Act is a simple case of the double standard of justice so prevelant in our nation´s "Injustice System". Mr. Fitzgerald also took a pass on Mr. Cheney´s testimony submitted to the Fitzgerald team in late May, 2004. Lying to a law enforcement officer , be it a US Attorney or a FBI agent , makes the party elgible to be charged for Making False Statements. (The taking of an oath matters not a whit)

In fact 2 of the counts against Libby involve attempting to mislead FBI agents. During his interrogation Mr. Cheney had to take one of the following tacts a) He feigned massive memory loss - a defence that is being accepted by very few juries these days. b) He went along with the testimony of his Chief of Staff and claimed that Scooter was was hearing all these unsolicited reportson Wilson´s wife from "reporters". Repeating that canard makes Cheney just as liable as Scooter for the federal offence of making False Statements. c) the least likely scenario is that Cheney turned in Scooter as the person who leaked Valerie Wilson´s CIA identity and nailed his co-workers in this endeavour , Mr. Hannah , Mrs.Martin, Mr. Grossman, Mr. Wurmser, Mr. Bolton, Mr.Fleitz, Mr. Fleischer, and Mr. Rove. Why the least likely scenario?

On June 12, 2003 Mr. Cheney obtained from then CIA Director George Tenet information that Wilson´s wife worked in the CIA´s Counterproliferation Division. He passed that information to Mr.Libby . It is obvious to any sentient being that this action ,which lead to the release of classified information extremely detrimental to the National Security, was part of plot to silence Wilson. The actions of WHIG , often chaired by Cheney, are a clear indication that Cheney lead the "get Wilson" campaign ,of which the leak was merely a constituent part. WHIG was a creation heartily encouraged by Cheney, a product of his sick mind.

Does Mr. Fitzgerald seriously believe that press flaks like Cathie Martin and Ari Fleischer would have any reason to be involved in this political hit , other than the fact that this type of gutter-dwelling conduct was key to career upward mobility in this White House of Horrors ? Is Fitzgerald aware that as late as September 30, 2002 Cheney was still claiming that he never heard of Joe Wilson? Strange , 2 and 1/2 months prior he told Libby that Wilson´s wife worked for the CIA´s CPD division.(undercover/DO) Mr.Cheney was in cover-up mode and baldly lied to the American people. It´s called consciousness of guilt . If his intentions were appropriate in inquiring into the work background of Ms. Wilson why did he not take the remedial actions of firing Libby and his "rogue" confederates , when he found out,much to his "horror", they swiped this data and leaked it to the press ? Lastly , is it not a blatant attempt to suborn perjury of a key witness when Mr. John Hannah is elevated to one of Libby´s key functions , National Security Advisor to the most powerful Vice-President in the history of the United States.

Mr. Hannah was the US governments "principle point of conduct" for Ahmed "Full of Baloney´s " so called intelligence gathering programme. If Chalabi , a key suspect in passing on the forgeries to Cheney and the Pentagon, used the agreed upon modus operandi ,the forgeries were stovepiped to John Hannah and then forwarded up the food chain to Libby and Cheney. Dick wants John Hannah to be a "team player". BIG TIME. MEANS, MOTIVE, OPPORTUNITY are in abundance in the Cheney case. To use a basball analogy , I fear Special Cousel has run out of balls and want to take his bat home -lest he be branded " Anti -Semitic Jew -Hater" This fear is the precise reason the neocons operate with such impunity, their treason is an "OPEN CONSPIRACY" and no one in public office dare mentions it´s existence
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Scapegoating Rocco Martino for the forgeries is absurd. He´s an old P-2 boy who was handed the forgeries and tried to sell them to one of Berlusconi´s fake reporters- he owns the media. It doesn´t matter whether this functionary or the fake journalist gave the documents to the US Embassy in Rome. They got there and they didn´t produce themselves. EVERYONE KNOWS THE PLOT. It was the Chalabi gang , all on the payroll of the PR firm that created this "THING", the Iraqi National Congress. Plus two old Iran Contra Brigands who worked together in Rome for the CIA in the late 70´s, both of whom had ties to SISMI. When word of the Italian Parliamentary report was leaked , the Bushitters got scared.

They asked Silvio "P-2" Berlusconi "Would you PLEASE produce a report and deep-six the other report." Now Congress ,forced by public pressure to investigate the Niger "mystery", will rehash the "Rocco" story and pronounce "CASE CLOSED." The whole Niger Bunch are "JINSA" cutouts. They´re the Untouchables , and our "Elliot Ness" ain´t touching ´em . The only part of the Rozen piece that I believe has merit is the statement claiming "FITZY-BOY" has never requested a copy of the forgeries and has no interest in pursuing the case. What part of Fitzgerald´s statement " I have no interest in refighting the war " do some well-intentioned and very courageous SF -based bloggers fail to comprehend. ? 24 months and "Ness" is still on the what "What Karl told Matt" case.

Our men are dying 4-5 per day and THIS is what we get. I wanted to believe in this guy too , but he has had ample time to show he´s serious. A lot of these Ex-CIA guys yanked our crank on what this guy was doing and it permeated into the media. All those Paens to his virginal purity printed in the media should have been the tip off that a psy-op was in progress. Few feel worse than me that this farce unfolded and I , using my heart rather my brain, too some degree, fell for it. I think that the more plausible bullshit was intended for well educated audiences while morons were fed total insanity through web sites that we are all now aware of.
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In recent weeks, State Department investigators have seized records from the Broadcasting Board of Governors, officials said. They have shared some material with the CPB inspector-general, including e-mail traffic between Tomlinson and senior White House officials, including Karl Rove.
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"As seen the AIPAC case , when a person or cabal of operatives release classified information with the reasonable expectation that said action is likely to damage the national security of the United States, the Espionage Act of 1917 can and should be invoked."

This would be the meat of the issue.

Intent is not needed. It´s the "reasonable expectation".

Fitzgerald isn´t that stupid.

This is one BIG reason why we are just watching a show.
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Good writing, Anders. I have felt for some time that the investigation didn´t go high enough, deep enough, or wide enough to put the criminals behind bars. The intent and will to clean house just wasn´t/isn´t too apparent.

For one thing, Fitgerald worked closely with Chertoff during the investigation of the first attempt to bring down the Towers. For the second thing, Bush appointed him to the position. For the third thing, nobody rises to prominence without a nod from TPTB. (You have to be "their man".) The fourth reason is the knowledge that all of the above are interconnected.
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good points 14217.
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For one thing, Fitgerald worked closely with Chertoff during the investigation of the first attempt to bring down the Towers. For the second thing, Bush appointed him to the position. For the third thing, nobody rises to prominence without a nod from TPTB. (You have to be "their man".) The fourth reason is the knowledge that all of the above are interconnected.


yup

i have very mixed thoughts on all this now
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681 moron bump
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Good thread. Something to think about while getting out the popcorn.
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Anders, as usual, is full of crap. He is a deliberate liar.

Joe Wilson: Lying About Iraqi Uranium
Special from Hawaii Free Press
By Andrew Walden, 11/3/2005 11:49:46 AM
MSNBC’s Chris Matthews Oct 24., 2005, said it best: “Bush is now fighting a war on two fronts.”

Iraqi voters are once more dealing a sharp blow to al-Qaeda’s war on America and the parallel war on Bush being waged by the Democrat Party and the Democrat media. Al-Qaeda is waging war by continuing to bomb Iraqi civilians. Democrats are trying to fight with a battle plan based on the delusion that Iraq is Vietnam, Bush is Nixon and Watergate must be there somewhere.

Feeling if they turn over enough rocks they will find the one labeled “impeachment,” on Oct. 28 Democrats hailed the indictment of White House aide Scooter Libby on charges of lying to a grand jury. The grand jury did not charge anyone for “outing” Valerie Plame the CIA analyst who connived to get her Kerry-supporter husband assigned to investigate Iraqi efforts to purchase uranium in Niger, Africa. This may be due to the fact that she was not a secret agent and therefore revealing her name to the media is not a crime. Her identity has been known to the Cubans and even was discovered by the Soviets. That is why she was at a desk job instead of being in the field. Libby apparently faces charges for not testifying: “I did it. It is not a crime. I am proud of it.”

The real Iraq scandal is the lies being told by Democrats, with Plame´s husband Joe Wilson leading the way, in an effort to “get Bush” without regard for their effect on our troops in combat and al-Qaeda’s perception that Americans are “weak and decadent infidels.” According to a July 10, 2004, Washington Post article on the Senate Intelligence Committee findings about Wilson´s investigatory trip to Niger, Africa, unanimously agreed by all committee senators, including Democrats, “The panel found that Wilson’s report, rather than debunking intelligence about purported uranium sales to Iraq, as he has said, bolstered the case for most intelligence analysts. And contrary to Wilson’s assertions and even the government’s previous statements, the CIA did not tell the White House it had qualms about the reliability of the Africa intelligence that made its way into 16 fateful words in President Bush’s January 2003 State of the Union address.”

Anti-American war protesters chant “Bush lied—thousands died.” But the real liar is self-described “child of the ‘60s,” Joe Wilson, who falsely claims his trip to Niger proves wrong Bush’s “16 words” in the January, 2003 State of the Union address: “The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa.”

Missing from the media frenzy is a simple fact. Bush’s words are true today and they were true then. The British government still stands by its assessment that Iraq was attempting to purchase uranium oxide in Niger. That assessment was first made public in a September, 2002 dossier about which the BBC reported, “Britain’ s dossier on Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction says that Saddam Hussein tried to get “significant quantities of uranium from Africa.”

As British Prime Minister Tony Blair said on July 14, 2004 in response to the Butler Inquiry into pre-war Iraq intelligence, “This is now the fourth exhaustive inquiry that has dealt with this issue. This report, like the Hutton inquiry, like the report of the ISC before it and of the FAC before that, has found the same thing. No-one lied. No-one made up the intelligence. No-one inserted things into the dossier against the advice of the intelligence services.”

According to the Senate Intelligence Committee, in the eyes of CIA analysts, Joe Wilson’s own debriefing report upon returning from Niger backs this up as well.

In March, 2003, when U.S. tanks rolled into Iraq, 500 tons of yellow cake uranium was found at the Iraqi nuclear research center of al-Tuwaitha. This included 1.8 tons of partly enriched uranium. On June 23, 2004, the U.S. military, working with the U.S. Department of Energy removed this material to the US where is held at an unnamed Department of Energy facility.

As U.S. Marine Lt General James Conway says in the October Proceedings magazine: “The insurgents realize full well the only chance they have of defeating the U.S. military is to weaken the will of the American population ... .”

This al-Qaeda goal corresponds completely with techniques being used by Democrats who still want to avenge Al Gore’s 2000 loss.

That is why the simple facts contained in this article are so difficult to find anywhere in the media.
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hmmm





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