God's creation is mathematical but that doesn't necessarily tell us much about God himself

I find it kind of spooky the way he is supposedly under every rock while here we are in the year 2012, with powerful computing devices that show us MATHS is under every stone!

A virtual reality is produced by a set of logical codes operating in a confined space.

How are we any different from that?

Its not mathematical, theres many areas where mathematics completley fails to model nature.

Only fucking jp Morgan economists want you to believe the universe is mathematical!!!

so far i have figured out that god is a gentle comedian with a fascination for geometry and arithmetic and we are here to learn that nothing is serious if you know enough to never harm anyone, stay relaxed and light all the time and put the right nutrition, vitamins and minerals in your body, otherwise you will encounter pain and suffering.

also, our predisposition to take ourselves too seriously tends to keep us repeating destructive thought patterns until we learn to lighten up. one of the most powerful realizations i have had in 3/4 of a century is to stop thinking about anything that doesn't make you feel good.
greathe consciously all the time. it brings in fresh prana on the inbreath and flushes out tension and negativity on the outbreath.

breathe consciously, i meant to write

Would you be happier if we used the words "maths like" instead of "mathematical"?

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If someone succeeded in creating a physical universe just like the one we live in, that doesn't mean he is God.

Grigori Perelman claims he can control Universe
[link to english.pravda.ru]

By the waste produced every day you can comprehend how much divine human technology really is.

No, God is not autistic.

Coral reefs waste a lot of coral spawn.

Speaking of coral reefs, does this fish look like it was engineered using computer software?

[link to multicolor-angelfish.tropicalfishss.co.uk]

"God's creation is mathematical"

Mathematics is a philosophy, Thats why degrees in mathematics are batchelor of philosophy degrees and not batchelor of science. Thats why you cant get Master degrees in Mathematics.

Only NAZI fucks that are trying to prove some perdantic point on humanity ot fulfill whatever failures their own ego has; attempt to elevate Mathematics to a law of nature!! A scientific tyranny for failed consiousness.

I find your need to bring in Jewish people on this matter suspect.

Are you anti semitic?

According to scripture all of creation was subjected to 'the fall'.

That suggest, to me, that we have not yet begun to see the beauty of the maths of God.

Rather, we are experiencing a tainted version. An equation that is not balanced (yet).

God Bless OP.

peace,

God is bullshit. Once you realise that all these stupid questions vanish.

No she is not, she is for real.

There is oneness, integrity of all in the nature. Not in humans doing. A long way to go for humans to become godlike.

I mention jewish people because they are important in the Bible and as a way of explaining that I am talking about the Christian definition of God which is as the all powerful, all knowing creator God.

Also, I was not good at maths at school and the Jewish kids seemed to be better at it.

You might indeed be correct and I don't have a problem with that.

From the 75 minute lecture below -

"In an ergodic universe, where the system cycles through every allowed state, no amount of local knowledge (including memories, books, photographs, etc.) tells us anything interesting about the rest of the universe"

Sean Carroll, Caltech, The Universe Is Not Ergodic

Look at the smooth regions in the Mandelbulb (a type of 3D mapping of the Mandelbrot set).

[link to www.skytopia.com]

Come on.

It's beneath him. God might use math to teach us his creatures.

He's smarter than we are, he dosen't need mathematics.

Math is just our way of reasoning things out, from our perspective, in our existance, on the inside of God's creation.

It's just another way atheists get decieved in their arrogance, and other bad qualities.

order through chaos thats all it boils down to.

in the beginning there was chaos, and through chaos came order, and through that came complexity and mathmatics.

Interesting op!
Reminds me of The Fractal Universe Theory
[link to www.newscientist.com]

"Their process begins by taking the derivatives of every variable observed with respect to every other - a mathematical way of measuring how one quantity changes as another changes. Then the computer creates equations at random using various constants and variables from the data. It tests these against the known derivatives, keeps the equations that come closest to predicting correctly, modifies them at random and tests again, repeating until it literally evolves a set of equations that accurately describe the behavior of the real system."

[link to phys.org]

Eureqa, the robot scientist
[link to phys.org]

The mathematical mind of God has been discovered! If you want to spend the next six months studying these beautiful and amazing dicoveries, go to:
[link to smphillips.8m.com]

I'm not interested in maths or mathematical discoveries. Instead, I am interested to know if maths is interesting or not.

Ossie

Math is the code upon which reality is programmed (not in an AI/technology fashion).

It goes deeper than math, way deeper.

We live in a simulation, designed for a reason, but this is just a tiny fraction of all that is.

You wont get deeper by examining the math or trying to go beyond the math. You will go deeper when you can recognize/realize the simulation on more that a pure mental or intellectual level - and then begin to unravel the reason for this.

Good luck

Thx

or does God deceive us about the relationship between maths
and God ??


God is all things, except one

Math is a tool to describe reality, not the other way around.

It just so happens God created everything in self-referential patterns that look like fractals. Is it than strange that mathematics also follows this pattern of self-referential satisfaction? Men assign numbers to things to find coincidences that for some reason result in number systems that miraculously fall into place and self-reference each other.

I can see how easy it is to fall into the trap of thinking thus since math has this beautiful eloquence about it that reality is based on math when in fact, math is only describing a eloquently constructed reality.

Algorithmic Information Theory
[link to www.hutter1.net]

"It serves as the foundation of the Minimum Description Length (MDL) principle, can simplify proofs in computational complexity theory, has been used to define a universal similarity metric between objects, solves the Maxwell daemon problem, and many others."

For the few people that are following this thread, I highly recommend this PDF -

Dreams of Calculus:
Perspectives on Mathematics
Education
Johan Hoffman, Claes Johnson, Anders Logg
May 24, 2004

[link to www.bodysoulmath.org]

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