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IS THERE AN APOCALYPSE CONSPIRACY?

 
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It's not a guessing game.
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i am not guessing,the scriptures are True

with True faith you actually know!
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Wow! You've got it all figured out?

Must be great to be you.
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I have some bad news for all those who think revelations is about the end times prophecy. Its not. Its about the awakening, anointing of John. His spiritual journey and the things we must at some point all over come and go through on our spiritual journey. They left it in the bible because they don't understand what it truly means or they would have probably taken it out, but as a prophecy of doom and gloom it fits their purposes. More fuel to the OP's belief that the apocalypse idea is indeed a conspiracy. sk
 Quoting: seeker2


I find what you are saying very interesting. Because that is kinda the way my life has been lately as I have been going through the dark night of the soul. Could you elaborate some more about this theory. Also, could it not be symbolic of what humanity will go through if we are indeed near the end of an Age as the Mayans would say?
 Quoting: grefey

I have thought about the possibility that perhaps as people go through an awakening process, which can be painful so do civilizations. As above so below.

The interpretation of revelations that goes into depth on the inward journey is a book called the apocalypse unsealed by James Morgan Pryse and is available for free as a PDF file. It is basically a Gnostic writing. Rick in symbolism. Pryse does an outstanding job of revealing the inner meaning of the symbols. From the opening chapter with the 7 lampstands representing the 7 major chakras and a hint as to the meaning of each in the letters to the seven churches.

Here is a link to an online version of the book.
[link to www.sacred-texts.com]

with some commentaries from other writers.

Here you down load the PDF book. [link to knowledgefiles.com]

And here is another interesting take on his book
[link to hermetic.com]

enjoy. sk

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I have some bad news for all those who think revelations is about the end times prophecy. Its not. Its about the awakening, anointing of John. His spiritual journey and the things we must at some point all over come and go through on our spiritual journey. They left it in the bible because they don't understand what it truly means or they would have probably taken it out, but as a prophecy of doom and gloom it fits their purposes. More fuel to the OP's belief that the apocalypse idea is indeed a conspiracy. sk
 Quoting: seeker2


I find what you are saying very interesting. Because that is kinda the way my life has been lately as I have been going through the dark night of the soul. Could you elaborate some more about this theory. Also, could it not be symbolic of what humanity will go through if we are indeed near the end of an Age as the Mayans would say?
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Revelations as a spiritual journey,I like that and can see how all the symbology etc fits in,thanks for that info. and yes,we all have dark nights of the soul,don't let it stress you,just try to roll with it,it's just your mind,body and soul coming into alignment to who you really are.
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I have some bad news for all those who think revelations is about the end times prophecy. Its not. Its about the awakening, anointing of John. His spiritual journey and the things we must at some point all over come and go through on our spiritual journey. They left it in the bible because they don't understand what it truly means or they would have probably taken it out, but as a prophecy of doom and gloom it fits their purposes. More fuel to the OP's belief that the apocalypse idea is indeed a conspiracy. sk
 Quoting: seeker2


I find what you are saying very interesting. Because that is kinda the way my life has been lately as I have been going through the dark night of the soul. Could you elaborate some more about this theory. Also, could it not be symbolic of what humanity will go through if we are indeed near the end of an Age as the Mayans would say?
 Quoting: grefey

I have thought about the possibility that perhaps as people go through an awakening process, which can be painful so do civilizations. As above so below.

The interpretation of revelations that goes into depth on the inward journey is a book called the apocalypse unsealed by James Morgan Pryse and is available for free as a PDF file. It is basically a Gnostic writing. Rick in symbolism. Pryse does an outstanding job of revealing the inner meaning of the symbols. From the opening chapter with the 7 lampstands representing the 7 major chakras and a hint as to the meaning of each in the letters to the seven churches.

Here is a link to an online version of the book.
[link to www.sacred-texts.com]

with some commentaries from other writers.

Here you down load the PDF book. [link to knowledgefiles.com]

And here is another interesting take on his book
[link to hermetic.com]

enjoy. sk
 Quoting: seeker2


Sorry, My bad the first link is more of a commentary on revelation with mentions of Pryses book. The second link takes you to a place you can download the book . Should you have problems. Let me know as I have the PDF available. IM me or post if you AC and I will give you my email addy. sk
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I have some bad news for all those who think revelations is about the end times prophecy. Its not. Its about the awakening, anointing of John. His spiritual journey and the things we must at some point all over come and go through on our spiritual journey. They left it in the bible because they don't understand what it truly means or they would have probably taken it out, but as a prophecy of doom and gloom it fits their purposes. More fuel to the OP's belief that the apocalypse idea is indeed a conspiracy. sk
 Quoting: seeker2


I find what you are saying very interesting. Because that is kinda the way my life has been lately as I have been going through the dark night of the soul. Could you elaborate some more about this theory. Also, could it not be symbolic of what humanity will go through if we are indeed near the end of an Age as the Mayans would say?
 Quoting: grefey


Revelations as a spiritual journey,I like that and can see how all the symbology etc fits in,thanks for that info. and yes,we all have dark nights of the soul,don't let it stress you,just try to roll with it,it's just your mind,body and soul coming into alignment to who you really are.
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Glad you found the information fits and enlightening. In reference to OP thread, I think the important part is what they have tried to turn Revelation into, an apocalyptic vision. Nothing could be further from the truth. lol sk
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Interesting,symbology is powerful stuff, and I'm glad she stuffed up in her time travel and didn't stop the internet!
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oops,stuffed that up,lol,
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When it happens the chosen ones will be left standing, and I don't mean chosen by TPTB.
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bingo!
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Have you not read the book "When bad things happen to good people"? Of course, it was written by a Rabbi. I really think that some good people are going to die in this entire mess and that you are being delusional to think they won't. Or are you saying "the meek will inherit the earth"?
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He meant those written in The Book of Life.

Baraka.
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But one doesn't know if he is in the List ^^^
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Are you Jewish? Cause Christians believe in heaven if I am not mistaken. What type of Christianity do you believe in?
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No. I didn't mention heaven. I'm talking about the chosen that are left on earth, to get it right this time.

I believe that all "gods" exist. Every myth, every legend, is based in fact.
I don't believe they "created" us.
The universe is so much more that the physical measurements we can take of it.
I believe in "the all".
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When it happens the chosen ones will be left standing, and I don't mean chosen by TPTB.
 Quoting: Lumen



bingo!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1496863


Have you not read the book "When bad things happen to good people"? Of course, it was written by a Rabbi. I really think that some good people are going to die in this entire mess and that you are being delusional to think they won't. Or are you saying "the meek will inherit the earth"?
 Quoting: grefey


Our physical body and our soul self are two very different things. Our thoughts are physical actions (chemical reactions in the brain) that have nothing to do with the spiritual realms.
Our true self (our spirit self) is higher than our physical self. Most people are not able to contact their spiritual self. The bridge has been burned.
Good and bad are relative to physical existence and have little meaning in the spiritual realm.
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If you really want to understand this conspiracy and satan's devices used today, read all the works by this man.
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I have some bad news for all those who think revelations is about the end times prophecy. Its not. Its about the awakening, anointing of John. His spiritual journey and the things we must at some point all over come and go through on our spiritual journey. They left it in the bible because they don't understand what it truly means or they would have probably taken it out, but as a prophecy of doom and gloom it fits their purposes. More fuel to the OP's belief that the apocalypse idea is indeed a conspiracy. sk
 Quoting: seeker2


I find what you are saying very interesting. Because that is kinda the way my life has been lately as I have been going through the dark night of the soul. Could you elaborate some more about this theory. Also, could it not be symbolic of what humanity will go through if we are indeed near the end of an Age as the Mayans would say?
 Quoting: grefey

I have thought about the possibility that perhaps as people go through an awakening process, which can be painful so do civilizations. As above so below.

The interpretation of revelations that goes into depth on the inward journey is a book called the apocalypse unsealed by James Morgan Pryse and is available for free as a PDF file. It is basically a Gnostic writing. Rick in symbolism. Pryse does an outstanding job of revealing the inner meaning of the symbols. From the opening chapter with the 7 lampstands representing the 7 major chakras and a hint as to the meaning of each in the letters to the seven churches.

Here is a link to an online version of the book.
[link to www.sacred-texts.com]

with some commentaries from other writers.

Here you down load the PDF book. [link to knowledgefiles.com]

And here is another interesting take on his book
[link to hermetic.com]

enjoy. sk
 Quoting: seeker2


Sorry, My bad the first link is more of a commentary on revelation with mentions of Pryses book. The second link takes you to a place you can download the book . Should you have problems. Let me know as I have the PDF available. IM me or post if you AC and I will give you my email addy. sk
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sorry Seeker, but what you have offered to read is pure and simple sun worship from the Theosophical Society.
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I have some bad news for all those who think revelations is about the end times prophecy. Its not. Its about the awakening, anointing of John. His spiritual journey and the things we must at some point all over come and go through on our spiritual journey. They left it in the bible because they don't understand what it truly means or they would have probably taken it out, but as a prophecy of doom and gloom it fits their purposes. More fuel to the OP's belief that the apocalypse idea is indeed a conspiracy. sk
 Quoting: seeker2


I find what you are saying very interesting. Because that is kinda the way my life has been lately as I have been going through the dark night of the soul. Could you elaborate some more about this theory. Also, could it not be symbolic of what humanity will go through if we are indeed near the end of an Age as the Mayans would say?
 Quoting: grefey

I have thought about the possibility that perhaps as people go through an awakening process, which can be painful so do civilizations. As above so below.

The interpretation of revelations that goes into depth on the inward journey is a book called the apocalypse unsealed by James Morgan Pryse and is available for free as a PDF file. It is basically a Gnostic writing. Rick in symbolism. Pryse does an outstanding job of revealing the inner meaning of the symbols. From the opening chapter with the 7 lampstands representing the 7 major chakras and a hint as to the meaning of each in the letters to the seven churches.

Here is a link to an online version of the book.
[link to www.sacred-texts.com]

with some commentaries from other writers.

Here you down load the PDF book. [link to knowledgefiles.com]

And here is another interesting take on his book
[link to hermetic.com]

enjoy. sk
 Quoting: seeker2


Sorry, My bad the first link is more of a commentary on revelation with mentions of Pryses book. The second link takes you to a place you can download the book . Should you have problems. Let me know as I have the PDF available. IM me or post if you AC and I will give you my email addy. sk
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Thanks, Seeker2, appreciate it.
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I'm going to chime in for a bit, because I was invited to do so by the OP. But let me preface my statement by saying that the elite have technology far beyond what the news media or any other source of information can verify. Pretty much anything you have seen on Star Trek...we already have in technology.

But none of the "Black projects" has as much allure to the Elite as the "Looking glass, Star gate, or Yellow Book projects" especially as they relate to time travel, time viewing, or (remote viewing)or the changing of time.

I guess there is a temptation, that if you had the technology of time travel, that if you saw an event in the distance, say one that would threaten your New World Order, that you would try to go back into time to change the things that may keep that disaster from happening. But it may also reveal certain paradoxes that you were not ready to deal with in that process...say (for instance) If you tried to go back into time to avert a disaster, then discovered that it was your time travel that brought about the disaster in the first place, it may give you pause about the morality of trying to play god...but not to the determined generational Satanist of the NWO...no sir, they have plans to ascend into Heaven itself.

Now, how does all of this relate to the elite trying to bring about biblical prophecy? (because that is what they are trying to do) The Bible is a very unique book, it is the most powerful spiritual book on the earth, and it does something that no other book has done...it calls the end from the beginning. It tells the end of all things from the beginning, and thus, has to do specifically with the unfolding of future events, and the Elite are very interested in this aspect of scripture.

Because of the prescence of certain paradoxes in the use of time travel and time manipulation, small changes must be made in that process so as to prevent it from bringing forth the event that you are trying to keep from happening. Because if you are not careful, you can set off the event as if it were a booby trap, so small incriments must be followed so as to make change over a longer period of time. This is why the elite have been trying to bring about their NWO for centuries yet have fallen behind a certain "schedual". To do this, they have to draw upon all of their occult knowledge...but there is a problem with this too, because the elite are the elite because of their occult knowledge, and to give up their knowledge, they would also be giving up the source of their power and position...so round and around they go, in a cycle of failure because of their own fear of loosing their positions in the "Grand scheme of things".
"Glory is what happens when faith overcomes adversity."
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I'm going to chime in for a bit, because I was invited to do so by the OP. But let me preface my statement by saying that the elite have technology far beyond what the news media or any other source of information can verify. Pretty much anything you have seen on Star Trek...we already have in technology.

But none of the "Black projects" has as much allure to the Elite as the "Looking glass, Star gate, or Yellow Book projects" especially as they relate to time travel, time viewing, or (remote viewing)or the changing of time.

I guess there is a temptation, that if you had the technology of time travel, that if you saw an event in the distance, say one that would threaten your New World Order, that you would try to go back into time to change the things that may keep that disaster from happening. But it may also reveal certain paradoxes that you were not ready to deal with in that process...say (for instance) If you tried to go back into time to avert a disaster, then discovered that it was your time travel that brought about the disaster in the first place, it may give you pause about the morality of trying to play god...but not to the determined generational Satanist of the NWO...no sir, they have plans to ascend into Heaven itself.

Now, how does all of this relate to the elite trying to bring about biblical prophecy? (because that is what they are trying to do) The Bible is a very unique book, it is the most powerful spiritual book on the earth, and it does something that no other book has done...it calls the end from the beginning. It tells the end of all things from the beginning, and thus, has to do specifically with the unfolding of future events, and the Elite are very interested in this aspect of scripture.

Because of the prescence of certain paradoxes in the use of time travel and time manipulation, small changes must be made in that process so as to prevent it from bringing forth the event that you are trying to keep from happening. Because if you are not careful, you can set off the event as if it were a booby trap, so small incriments must be followed so as to make change over a longer period of time. This is why the elite have been trying to bring about their NWO for centuries yet have fallen behind a certain "schedual". To do this, they have to draw upon all of their occult knowledge...but there is a problem with this too, because the elite are the elite because of their occult knowledge, and to give up their knowledge, they would also be giving up the source of their power and position...so round and around they go, in a cycle of failure because of their own fear of loosing their positions in the "Grand scheme of things".
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Interesting post, but their position will falter and fail as the universe conspires against them.

There is an intelligence that pervades all that is, it is connected and it has its own involutionary and evolutionary process. By this I mean spirits descent into matter and its journey home. We are beginning to remember, and as this excellerates it will also effect even the most hard core of the elites. Transition and change or expire and transition during the next cycle. sk
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I'm going to chime in for a bit, because I was invited to do so by the OP. But let me preface my statement by saying that the elite have technology far beyond what the news media or any other source of information can verify. Pretty much anything you have seen on Star Trek...we already have in technology.

But none of the "Black projects" has as much allure to the Elite as the "Looking glass, Star gate, or Yellow Book projects" especially as they relate to time travel, time viewing, or (remote viewing)or the changing of time.

I guess there is a temptation, that if you had the technology of time travel, that if you saw an event in the distance, say one that would threaten your New World Order, that you would try to go back into time to change the things that may keep that disaster from happening. But it may also reveal certain paradoxes that you were not ready to deal with in that process...say (for instance) If you tried to go back into time to avert a disaster, then discovered that it was your time travel that brought about the disaster in the first place, it may give you pause about the morality of trying to play god...but not to the determined generational Satanist of the NWO...no sir, they have plans to ascend into Heaven itself.

Now, how does all of this relate to the elite trying to bring about biblical prophecy? (because that is what they are trying to do) The Bible is a very unique book, it is the most powerful spiritual book on the earth, and it does something that no other book has done...it calls the end from the beginning. It tells the end of all things from the beginning, and thus, has to do specifically with the unfolding of future events, and the Elite are very interested in this aspect of scripture.

Because of the prescence of certain paradoxes in the use of time travel and time manipulation, small changes must be made in that process so as to prevent it from bringing forth the event that you are trying to keep from happening. Because if you are not careful, you can set off the event as if it were a booby trap, so small incriments must be followed so as to make change over a longer period of time. This is why the elite have been trying to bring about their NWO for centuries yet have fallen behind a certain "schedual". To do this, they have to draw upon all of their occult knowledge...but there is a problem with this too, because the elite are the elite because of their occult knowledge, and to give up their knowledge, they would also be giving up the source of their power and position...so round and around they go, in a cycle of failure because of their own fear of loosing their positions in the "Grand scheme of things".
 Quoting: Wingedlion


Interesting post, but their position will falter and fail as the universe conspires against them.

There is an intelligence that pervades all that is, it is connected and it has its own involutionary and evolutionary process. By this I mean spirits descent into matter and its journey home. We are beginning to remember, and as this excellerates it will also effect even the most hard core of the elites. Transition and change or expire and transition during the next cycle. sk
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Seeker2 this below post is especially for you as I really think you will enjoy it. If you want to listen 2 the 2nd hour IM me. I am starting to get now too.


Interesting response. Funny, I just finished listening to a program on Red Ice Radio that was discussing "Wetiko-the greatest disease known to mankind". The author is Paul Levy and is affiliated with the Carl Jung Foundation. His assessment of what is presently occurring within humanity and the world is quite fascinating. He had a personal experience involving emotional/spiritual issues that lead him to this information. In short, he is saying humanity is infected with a spiritual psyche virus called "Wetiko" and it is necessary so that we will awaken from the dream we are in and realize who and what we really are. In other words these hard times we are experiencing are reflections of our dark side and it is necessary that we shed light on it if we are going to make it as a species.

For people who are awakening and having difficulty dealing with what you are experiencing, I would suggest you listen to this program as it helped immensely in my spiritual understanding of what is transpiring. Here is the link:

[link to www.redicecreations.com]

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I hope so apocalypse means revealing of secrets , the scales will fall from their eyes type of stuff. I really hope so cause when you mouthbreathing , corpsefucking , shiteaters get the truth revealed. You will know the truth and it will drive ye mad ) .
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I hope so apocalypse means revealing of secrets , the scales will fall from their eyes type of stuff. I really hope so cause when you mouthbreathing , corpsefucking , shiteaters get the truth revealed. You will know the truth and it will drive ye mad ) .
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That is a bit of a hostile response. I realize the meaning of Apocalypse, however, I am talking in biblical terms. I hope the scales fall from all our eyes real soon or like Seeker2 said we will have to come back and start all over again.
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I think it is both. The Book of Revelations has foretold all of the atrocities that will happen and it is unfolding before our eyes........both MAN -made and NATURE made.

The timing and pieces of the puzzle are fitting together TOO perfectly for it to me MAN-MADE only. It almost feels SUPERNATURAL. So yes....I feel some are playing into the prophecies but this was also taken into consideration when Revelations was written. In other words....it was KNOWN MANY years ago that people will take advantage of the foretelling of the future.
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I think it is both. The Book of Revelations has foretold all of the atrocities that will happen and it is unfolding before our eyes........both MAN -made and NATURE made.

The timing and pieces of the puzzle are fitting together TOO perfectly for it to me MAN-MADE only. It almost feels SUPERNATURAL. So yes....I feel some are playing into the prophecies but this was also taken into consideration when Revelations was written. In other words....it was KNOWN MANY years ago that people will take advantage of the foretelling of the future.
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I am not sure parts of the bible were not written in anticipation of times like these and play into the hands of TPTB, especially Revelation as it plays on our fear and that is how they control us. Like I said if you study the dark ages it is a period much like today and I believe if humanity as a whole does not wake and address our own dark sides we are doomed to repeat it. A lot of people are waking up today but not enough yet. I hope we do before we are plunged into the abyss. I am starting to feel that this is not a god ordained process written in stone(as TPTB would have us believe) other than the fact that if we do not wake up to our true natures(god given)and deal with our dark sides we will suffer greatly and my have to repeat this cycle all over again.
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I think it is both. The Book of Revelations has foretold all of the atrocities that will happen and it is unfolding before our eyes........both MAN -made and NATURE made.

The timing and pieces of the puzzle are fitting together TOO perfectly for it to me MAN-MADE only. It almost feels SUPERNATURAL. So yes....I feel some are playing into the prophecies but this was also taken into consideration when Revelations was written. In other words....it was KNOWN MANY years ago that people will take advantage of the foretelling of the future.
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I am not sure parts of the bible were not written in anticipation of times like these and play into the hands of TPTB, especially Revelation as it plays on our fear and that is how they control us. Like I said if you study the dark ages it is a period much like today and I believe if humanity as a whole does not wake and address our own dark sides we are doomed to repeat it. A lot of people are waking up today but not enough yet. I hope we do before we are plunged into the abyss. I am starting to feel that this is not a god ordained process written in stone(as TPTB would have us believe) other than the fact that if we do not wake up to our true natures(god given)and deal with our dark sides we will suffer greatly and my have to repeat this cycle all over again.
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They want you to think its a prophecy of the end time. But it is easy through manipulation of the media to bring out the stories and present them is such a way that it seems like all hell is breaking loose when in reality its just another day on planet Earth. Couple that with what abilities they have to create wars, and atrocities and you have the perfect storm.

Op in regards to our remembering. Its seems to me based on many sources that we go through times of forgetfulness and times of remembering. We would appear to exiting one of the times of forgetfulness and beginning to remember. In the process of remembering some my be overwhelmed by the roles they played in suppressing humanity. Imagine one day waking up to the full realization of the oneness of all life and the dawning of a conscious awareness of that connection. Could be pretty over whelming to say the least. Then we have people who no matter what evidence is placed before them, they will refused to accept the truth. I have witnessed this . A person with their whole life invested in a belief structure is asked to change. For some it would seem impossible. For the rest of us we all need to find some introspective tools that can help us to release old belief systems and lies we have been indoctrinated with, as a way of making our transition to a higher state of consciousness. Are we reaching a tipping point in consciousness. It certainly feel that way.

In regards the parasitic disease. I read a blog on it recently. Interesting concept and I will try and get through the video, but my computer connection is slow, slow, slow so it might take a day or two. That for suggesting it. sk
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I have a different perspective on our spirituality than most.

I perceive that we are spirit with bodies, but for most of us due to programming and lies are not able to fully manifest as spirit through these physical bodies.

Imagine a light. The light will always be a light. It doesn't have to do anything. But put that light under many loosely woven basket and very little light shows through. So it is with us too. What we are is spirit, but little of that spirit is able to manifest through all our conditioning.

When I was younger say 16-18 (60 now) I took a good bit of acid. One summer night we were sitting in the park tripping and the night shift at the telephone company changed. We watched as people exited the building. Most had very little, if any light (a glow around their heads) but every once in a while some one would walk out brightly glowing. I didn't know what it meant at the time. But over the years I have come to understand its meaning. As spirit we can connect and express ourselves physically through our bodies, emotionally though emotion and on a mental level through our thought processes. Unfortunately for most very little of who they really are is expressed, due to social, religious,and family programming about reality and what is possible.

We fail to realize that it is through this programming that we individually create our personal realities. Attract people and situations to us that match and support our beliefs, be they positive beliefs or negative beliefs. Unfortunately many of the the beliefs are held on a subconscious level and are hard to remove. But fortunately if we pay attention to life as it passes and use it as a reflection of what we hold inside, life becomes a wonderful healing process, affording us the opportunity to heal, grow and change at every moment.

We then can expand that out to larger social groups and see what we as groups of people are creating and what beliefs we need to change in order to create the type of world we all say we want. End Rant. Your friend sk
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Op

I have a different perspective on our spirituality than most.

I perceive that we are spirit with bodies, but for most of us due to programming and lies are not able to fully manifest as spirit through these physical bodies.

Imagine a light. The light will always be a light. It doesn't have to do anything. But put that light under many loosely woven basket and very little light shows through. So it is with us too. What we are is spirit, but little of that spirit is able to manifest through all our conditioning.

When I was younger say 16-18 (60 now) I took a good bit of acid. One summer night we were sitting in the park tripping and the night shift at the telephone company changed. We watched as people exited the building. Most had very little, if any light (a glow around their heads) but every once in a while some one would walk out brightly glowing. I didn't know what it meant at the time. But over the years I have come to understand its meaning. As spirit we can connect and express ourselves physically through our bodies, emotionally though emotion and on a mental level through our thought processes. Unfortunately for most very little of who they really are is expressed, due to social, religious,and family programming about reality and what is possible.

We fail to realize that it is through this programming that we individually create our personal realities. Attract people and situations to us that match and support our beliefs, be they positive beliefs or negative beliefs. Unfortunately many of the the beliefs are held on a subconscious level and are hard to remove. But fortunately if we pay attention to life as it passes and use it as a reflection of what we hold inside, life becomes a wonderful healing process, affording us the opportunity to heal, grow and change at every moment.

We then can expand that out to larger social groups and see what we as groups of people are creating and what beliefs we need to change in order to create the type of world we all say we want. End Rant. Your friend sk
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Seeker I believe you to be a very wise human and I wish I had meant you sooner although it most likely would not have mattered as I am such a "bull head" I would have had to go down the road I did(a lot of pain and suffering) to get where I am at today. LMAO

I think I am finally getting it. Thanks for your contribution.
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I think it is both. The Book of Revelations has foretold all of the atrocities that will happen and it is unfolding before our eyes........both MAN -made and NATURE made.

The timing and pieces of the puzzle are fitting together TOO perfectly for it to me MAN-MADE only. It almost feels SUPERNATURAL. So yes....I feel some are playing into the prophecies but this was also taken into consideration when Revelations was written. In other words....it was KNOWN MANY years ago that people will take advantage of the foretelling of the future.
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I am not sure parts of the bible were not written in anticipation of times like these and play into the hands of TPTB, especially Revelation as it plays on our fear and that is how they control us. Like I said if you study the dark ages it is a period much like today and I believe if humanity as a whole does not wake and address our own dark sides we are doomed to repeat it. A lot of people are waking up today but not enough yet. I hope we do before we are plunged into the abyss. I am starting to feel that this is not a god ordained process written in stone(as TPTB would have us believe) other than the fact that if we do not wake up to our true natures(god given)and deal with our dark sides we will suffer greatly and my have to repeat this cycle all over again.
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They want you to think its a prophecy of the end time. But it is easy through manipulation of the media to bring out the stories and present them is such a way that it seems like all hell is breaking loose when in reality its just another day on planet Earth. Couple that with what abilities they have to create wars, and atrocities and you have the perfect storm.

Op in regards to our remembering. Its seems to me based on many sources that we go through times of forgetfulness and times of remembering. We would appear to exiting one of the times of forgetfulness and beginning to remember. In the process of remembering some my be overwhelmed by the roles they played in suppressing humanity. Imagine one day waking up to the full realization of the oneness of all life and the dawning of a conscious awareness of that connection. Could be pretty over whelming to say the least. Then we have people who no matter what evidence is placed before them, they will refused to accept the truth. I have witnessed this . A person with their whole life invested in a belief structure is asked to change. For some it would seem impossible. For the rest of us we all need to find some introspective tools that can help us to release old belief systems and lies we have been indoctrinated with, as a way of making our transition to a higher state of consciousness. Are we reaching a tipping point in consciousness. It certainly feel that way.

In regards the parasitic disease. I read a blog on it recently. Interesting concept and I will try and get through the video, but my computer connection is slow, slow, slow so it might take a day or two. That for suggesting it. sk
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My first approach to waking people up was to take them and shake them and get very frustrated when they got mad at me. I think this is because i still had and have some more growing to do. But it is none the less an important question as to how can we help our brothers and sisters to awaken in a constructive manner.
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In Regards Wetiko & The Dreaming

He has hit the mark pretty close but fails to take into consideration the forgetting and remembering cycles that humanity goes through.

Imagine a time in the past where the average person was fully connected as spirit. Perhaps some of the feats of the past, like the pyramids are a reflection in stone of these times. Slowly over time this ability diminishes to the point where few still remember. What would be their course of action knowing the dark ages to come. Perhaps they would over time form secret societies in a vane attempt to hold on to the knowledge that once was so common. But as time passes even those entrusted with the knowledge would also come to the same fate. Leaving behind writing that no one at present could understand and soon became perverted by the lust for power and control. This is the situation we find ourselves in today. Except that the wheel has turned and we are once again starting to remember. It may take a while and perhaps there will be some hard times but all indications are this is what is transpiring. We would seem to be at a tipping point or nexus in this process as we all see things coming to a head rapidly and something has to give and soon. If we were on the the downward side of a dark cycle, I would say things will not turn out so well for the immediate future, but since we are on an upward part of the cycle, things look promising. sk
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To someone outside of time, the future is the same as the past, as a matter of fact, it is the past. Unless you begin to think like this, you will never find the truth you are looking for. The Revelations is not a blueprint of the future...it is a historical document of the Past...our future.
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In Regards Wetiko & The Dreaming

He has hit the mark pretty close but fails to take into consideration the forgetting and remembering cycles that humanity goes through.

Imagine a time in the past where the average person was fully connected as spirit. Perhaps some of the feats of the past, like the pyramids are a reflection in stone of these times. Slowly over time this ability diminishes to the point where few still remember. What would be their course of action knowing the dark ages to come. Perhaps they would over time form secret societies in a vane attempt to hold on to the knowledge that once was so common. But as time passes even those entrusted with the knowledge would also come to the same fate. Leaving behind writing that no one at present could understand and soon became perverted by the lust for power and control. This is the situation we find ourselves in today. Except that the wheel has turned and we are once again starting to remember. It may take a while and perhaps there will be some hard times but all indications are this is what is transpiring. We would seem to be at a tipping point or nexus in this process as we all see things coming to a head rapidly and something has to give and soon. If we were on the the downward side of a dark cycle, I would say things will not turn out so well for the immediate future, but since we are on an upward part of the cycle, things look promising. sk
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you know that makes a lot of sense to me and could possibly be related to our orbit around our sun and how at sometimes we are closer than at other times.

Do you think that once we have achieved a certain level of GNOSIS that we will ultimately retain that knowledge in another life time, or do you not believe in reincarnation?
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To someone outside of time, the future is the same as the past, as a matter of fact, it is the past. Unless you begin to think like this, you will never find the truth you are looking for. The Revelations is not a blueprint of the future...it is a historical document of the Past...our future.
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Do you not think we are all here trying to learn, understand and grow along spiritual principles on the road to so called
enlightenment. If this is not the main purpose of life then their is no purpose, no? I mean I have thought about it a lot. I really feel that Gnosis has to be our main purpose for our existence on the earthly plane.
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In Regards Wetiko & The Dreaming

He has hit the mark pretty close but fails to take into consideration the forgetting and remembering cycles that humanity goes through.

Imagine a time in the past where the average person was fully connected as spirit. Perhaps some of the feats of the past, like the pyramids are a reflection in stone of these times. Slowly over time this ability diminishes to the point where few still remember. What would be their course of action knowing the dark ages to come. Perhaps they would over time form secret societies in a vane attempt to hold on to the knowledge that once was so common. But as time passes even those entrusted with the knowledge would also come to the same fate. Leaving behind writing that no one at present could understand and soon became perverted by the lust for power and control. This is the situation we find ourselves in today. Except that the wheel has turned and we are once again starting to remember. It may take a while and perhaps there will be some hard times but all indications are this is what is transpiring. We would seem to be at a tipping point or nexus in this process as we all see things coming to a head rapidly and something has to give and soon. If we were on the the downward side of a dark cycle, I would say things will not turn out so well for the immediate future, but since we are on an upward part of the cycle, things look promising. sk
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you know that makes a lot of sense to me and could possibly be related to our orbit around our sun and how at sometimes we are closer than at other times.

Do you think that once we have achieved a certain level of GNOSIS that we will ultimately retain that knowledge in another life time, or do you not believe in reincarnation?
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Thanks for the weiko link. I like it a lot. Much better presentation of the concept than the blog I read. it was only an audio file so I was able to listen to the whole thing already. Will listen again tomorrow as there is a lot there to absorb. Thanks once again.

There are so many ways to look at your question and I'm not sure any one knows the answer. But I would like to take a stab at it. To me creation happens as a way to experience something other than self. Which creates a separation. This separation at the same time cause pain and becomes the motivateting factor for our return. Avoidance of pain. Usually we only change and grow when the pain of staying where we are becomes greater than the pain of changing. lol

To what end, This is the part that gets ify. Who knows for sure. I can only surmise that some point we evolve to a point of almost total oneness but still retain a degree of separation. So self has a playmate or many of them. Other wise the whole of creation is in-drawn and we are back where we started. Wanting to experience something other than self. These are just some thoughts I have been kicking around in this regard. Reincarnation, yes, it explains much and I have had some interesting memories of the past. Also along the way I broke down some of the barriers to awakening my clairvoyant abilities, and in working with people in regards their Aura and chakra system in the course of healing or releasing programming, past lives seem to play a part. Mostly in regards to our predisposition to remake the same types of decisions from one life time to the next until we finally awaken to the fact, that its beliefs systems, ie programming and decisions that we create our reality through and that block us from a greater expression of ourselves. When we reach this point we can consciously start to heal ourselves and reach a more enlightened state of being. We get off the wheel of karma.

I like the forgiveness part of Christianity for in forgiveness lies the ability to transmute karma. Forgiveness of self and others leads to a state of grace. To me this is the whole of the message behind the new testament, at least on a very surface point of view, but I'm sure I would get a lot of people who would disagree. lol sk

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Also looking forward to checking out Pauls site tomorrow. But its late here in Thailand so off to bed Good night. enjoy and Aloha sk





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