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Strange Luminous Cloud Appears Over the Salton Sea (Earthquake Warning?)

 
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Strange Luminous Cloud Appears Over the Salton Sea (Earthquake Warning?)
Last night around 8pm, a strange luminous cloud formation appeared over the Salton Sea (southern CA desert). It was very strange. This is a remote area so there are no city lights that could have caused light to be reflected up into the cloud. It remained visible for quite some time. I tried to take some photos of it but they didnít turn out that well (see image link below). When I woke up this morning there was a black cloud formation in the exact same area in roughly the same shape/configuration. Itís been extremely windy here the last 15 hours or so.

About a month ago we had a string/swarm of small earthquakes (USGS link below). The grouping of blue squares is only a couple of miles from where I live. Recently itís been relatively quiet (USGS link below). However, there continues to be a cluster of quakes occurring in the same area around the Salton Sea.

Many fault lines intersect in this area, including the San Andreas fault.

Not sure what this all means, if anything. The luminous cloud formation was very strange. Similar luminous clouds have been observed prior/after large earthquakes. Also strange cloud formations can sometimes be observed around areas/times of large quakes.

Luminous/Black Cloud
[link to www.pbase.com]

USGS Quake Map
[link to www.pbase.com]

Earthquake Lights (from Wikipedia)

Appearance

The lights are reported to appear while an earthquake is occurring, although there are reports of lights before or after earthquakes, such as reports concerning the 1975 Kalapana earthquake. They are reported to have shapes similar to those of the auroras, with a white to bluish hue, but occasionally they have been reported having a wider color spectrum. The luminosity is reported to be visible for several seconds, but has also been reported to last for tens of minutes. Accounts of viewable distance from the epicenter varies, in the 1930 Idu earthquake, lights were reported up to 70 miles from the epicenter. Earthquake lights were reportedly spotted in Tianshui, Gansu, approximately 400 km north-northeast of the earthquake's epicenter. During the 2007 Peru earthquake lights were seen in the skies above the sea and filmed by many people. The phenomenon was also observed and caught on film during the 2009 L'Aquila and the 2010 Chile earthquakes. The phenomenon was also reported around the Aimuri Earthquake in New Zealand, that occurred 1 September 1888. The lights were visible in the morning of 1 September in Reefton, and again on the 8th of September.

Theories

Earthquake lights are caused by an unknown mechanism. There are numerous theories as to how and why they occur.
One explanation involves intense electric fields created piezoelectrically by tectonic movements of rocks containing quartz.

Another possible explanation is local disruption of the Earth's magnetic field and/or ionosphere in the region of tectonic stress, resulting in the observed glow effects either from ionospheric radiative recombination at lower altitudes and greater atmospheric pressure or as aurora. However, the effect is clearly not pronounced or notably observed at all earthquake events and is yet to be directly experimentally verified.

Earthquake cloud

Earthquake clouds are clouds claimed to be signs of imminent earthquakes. They have been described in antiquity: In chapter 32 of his work Brihat Samhita, Indian scholar Varahamihira (505Ė587) discussed a number of signs warning of earthquakes, including extraordinary clouds occurring a week before the earthquake.[1] In modern times, a few scientists claim to have observed clouds associated with a seismic event, sometimes more than 50 days in advance of the earthquake. Some have even claimed to accurately predict earthquake occurrences by observing clouds.[2] However, these claims have very little support in the scientific community. Research on "Earthquake clouds" is mostly in China and Japan.

An earthquake light is an unusual luminous aerial phenomenon that reportedly appears in the sky at or near areas of tectonic stress, seismic activity, or volcanic eruptions. Once commonly challenged, it was not until photographs were taken during the Matsushiro earthquake swarm in Nagano, Japan (which occurred from 1965 through 1967) that the seismology community acknowledged their occurrence.
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Re: Strange Luminous Cloud Appears Over the Salton Sea (Earthquake Warning?)
[link to earthquake.usgs.gov]

I have long felt if you look at the USGS map (linked above) you can somewhat guess at the underground flow of magma...and so, without any shred of scientific evidence or research to back my ridiculous claim other than watching these %#&!* EQ maps for many, many years, starting at the top, west to east and back, it seems:

Cascadia subduction zones feed magma east to Yellowstone 'supervolcano' (& surrounding) then from there magma flows SSW through Utah to/through Salton Sea area and Baja, CA (Baja magma I presume also flowing N to Salton.) I think of Salton as sort of a 'holding area', or magma Grand Central Station, if you will indulge the silly metaphor. Not sure how CA coastal subduction zones & 'dormant' volcanos stringing back up N to Cascadia play into all this, but of course they must do.

I have long felt the Salton Sea area holds some unknown (to me) import in these tectonic matters...and those clouds look SPOOKY!

Of course feelings aren't facts, I know, I know, but still, I now submit my cockamamie theories for your consideration, discussion, dubunkment, debasement, etc., and in true GLP fashion, the only proper qualification I offer is a resounding "SUCK MY DICK", to fellow oldtimers and newcomers alike!
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Re: Strange Luminous Cloud Appears Over the Salton Sea (Earthquake Warning?)
isn't that sea a caldera?
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Re: Strange Luminous Cloud Appears Over the Salton Sea (Earthquake Warning?)
Last night around 8pm, a strange luminous cloud formation appeared over the Salton Sea (southern CA desert). It was very strange. This is a remote area so there are no city lights that could have caused light to be reflected up into the cloud. It remained visible for quite some time. I tried to take some photos of it but they didnít turn out that well (see image link below). When I woke up this morning there was a black cloud formation in the exact same area in roughly the same shape/configuration. Itís been extremely windy here the last 15 hours or so.

About a month ago we had a string/swarm of small earthquakes (USGS link below). The grouping of blue squares is only a couple of miles from where I live. Recently itís been relatively quiet (USGS link below). However, there continues to be a cluster of quakes occurring in the same area around the Salton Sea.

Many fault lines intersect in this area, including the San Andreas fault.

Not sure what this all means, if anything. The luminous cloud formation was very strange. Similar luminous clouds have been observed prior/after large earthquakes. Also strange cloud formations can sometimes be observed around areas/times of large quakes.

Luminous/Black Cloud
[link to www.pbase.com]

USGS Quake Map
[link to www.pbase.com]

Earthquake Lights (from Wikipedia)

Appearance

The lights are reported to appear while an earthquake is occurring, although there are reports of lights before or after earthquakes, such as reports concerning the 1975 Kalapana earthquake. They are reported to have shapes similar to those of the auroras, with a white to bluish hue, but occasionally they have been reported having a wider color spectrum. The luminosity is reported to be visible for several seconds, but has also been reported to last for tens of minutes. Accounts of viewable distance from the epicenter varies, in the 1930 Idu earthquake, lights were reported up to 70 miles from the epicenter. Earthquake lights were reportedly spotted in Tianshui, Gansu, approximately 400 km north-northeast of the earthquake's epicenter. During the 2007 Peru earthquake lights were seen in the skies above the sea and filmed by many people. The phenomenon was also observed and caught on film during the 2009 L'Aquila and the 2010 Chile earthquakes. The phenomenon was also reported around the Aimuri Earthquake in New Zealand, that occurred 1 September 1888. The lights were visible in the morning of 1 September in Reefton, and again on the 8th of September.

Theories

Earthquake lights are caused by an unknown mechanism. There are numerous theories as to how and why they occur.
One explanation involves intense electric fields created piezoelectrically by tectonic movements of rocks containing quartz.

Another possible explanation is local disruption of the Earth's magnetic field and/or ionosphere in the region of tectonic stress, resulting in the observed glow effects either from ionospheric radiative recombination at lower altitudes and greater atmospheric pressure or as aurora. However, the effect is clearly not pronounced or notably observed at all earthquake events and is yet to be directly experimentally verified.

Earthquake cloud

Earthquake clouds are clouds claimed to be signs of imminent earthquakes. They have been described in antiquity: In chapter 32 of his work Brihat Samhita, Indian scholar Varahamihira (505Ė587) discussed a number of signs warning of earthquakes, including extraordinary clouds occurring a week before the earthquake.[1] In modern times, a few scientists claim to have observed clouds associated with a seismic event, sometimes more than 50 days in advance of the earthquake. Some have even claimed to accurately predict earthquake occurrences by observing clouds.[2] However, these claims have very little support in the scientific community. Research on "Earthquake clouds" is mostly in China and Japan.

An earthquake light is an unusual luminous aerial phenomenon that reportedly appears in the sky at or near areas of tectonic stress, seismic activity, or volcanic eruptions. Once commonly challenged, it was not until photographs were taken during the Matsushiro earthquake swarm in Nagano, Japan (which occurred from 1965 through 1967) that the seismology community acknowledged their occurrence.
 Quoting: BobR


A typical example of the clouds, predicting seismic events, also referred to as "heralds" (ie, "carrying the message")

[link to eva.vnt.ru]

These guys also using "herold clouds" for seismic forecasts
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Re: Strange Luminous Cloud Appears Over the Salton Sea (Earthquake Warning?)
Forgot link
[link to eng.ntsomz.ru]
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Re: Strange Luminous Cloud Appears Over the Salton Sea (Earthquake Warning?)
I have long felt if you look at the USGS map (linked above) you can somewhat guess at the underground flow of magma...and so, without any shred of scientific evidence or research to back my ridiculous claim other than watching these %#&!* EQ maps for many, many years, starting at the top, west to east and back, it seems:

Cascadia subduction zones feed magma east to Yellowstone 'supervolcano' (& surrounding) then from there magma flows SSW through Utah to/through Salton Sea area and Baja, CA (Baja magma I presume also flowing N to Salton.) I think of Salton as sort of a 'holding area', or magma Grand Central Station, if you will indulge the silly metaphor. Not sure how CA coastal subduction zones & 'dormant' volcanos stringing back up N to Cascadia play into all this, but of course they must do.

I have long felt the Salton Sea area holds some unknown (to me) import in these tectonic matters...and those clouds look SPOOKY!
 Quoting: Citizen17


I think that you are correct with your assessment. The Salton Sea is a highly active geothermal area. There are 10 large geothermal power plants in the vicinity, as well as boiling mud pots/volcanoes and hot springs. I suppose that it could get wild here if there were a major earthquake.

Here is a link to some photos of the mud pots/volcanoes in the area.

Mud Pots/Volcanoes
[link to www.pbase.com]
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Cool links to pics of those mudvolcanos, can really see from the pics how that area could become quite, ummm, dicey, should greater magma flow, heat and pressure start working in that area.
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