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NIV Calls Lucifer, "Jesus" - this is blasphemy of the highest order! Don't use these corrupting bibles | |
| Jerichofall Offer Upgrade  User ID: 1316155  Australia03/22/2012 07:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 863287  United States03/22/2012 07:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: NIV Calls Lucifer, "Jesus" - this is blasphemy of the highest order! Don't use these corrupting bibles hey ..it's the one thing the NIV got right Lucifer is a place ... Yahshua's throne the bright and morning star ... Yahshua is the bright and morning star CONNECT THE DOTS !! [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to openeyes1.weebly.com] |
| A Voice In The Wilderness User ID: 1506783 United States03/22/2012 07:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: NIV Calls Lucifer, "Jesus" - this is blasphemy of the highest order! Don't use these corrupting bibles hey ..it's the one thing the NIV got right Quoting: Anonymous Coward 863287 Lucifer is a place ... Yahshua's throne the bright and morning star ... Yahshua is the bright and morning star CONNECT THE DOTS !! [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to openeyes1.weebly.com] Stop spreading lies. Lucifer rebelled in heaven against God and His government/kingdom, desiring himself to be equal with God. God bore long with Lucifer and counseled him trying to tell him the eventual result of what his rebellion would bring about. Lucifer would not listen and continued on in this rebellion, being the first ever to manifest sin out of his ever growing cherished pride, jealousy of Jesus Christ(Christ in His pre-incarnate/Spirit form), and the desire for self-exaltation. He even convinced one third of the angels of heaven to join him in his rebellion. And thus they were cast out of heaven. As his character changed, Lucifer inherited a new name, Satan, which literally means 'the adversary' of souls. Good thread OP. The newer versions of the Bible twist so much and it's clear that Lucifer himself has dabbled in them to carry out his deceptive purpose. The Truth About Thread: The FINAL EVENTS Of Bible Prophecy "We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist." - Martin Luther (Aug. 18, 1520) "While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's Word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light" (The Great Controversy, p. 527). "Jesus did not come to change the law, but he came to explain it, and that very fact shows that it remains, for there is no need to explain that which is abrogated." - Charles Spurgeon "Jesuit Adam Weishaupt established the modern version of the Illuminati specifically to be a front organization behind which the Jesuits could hide. After being formally abolished by Pope Clement XIV in 1773, the Jesuits used the Illuminati and other organizations to carry out their operations. Thus, the front organizations would be blamed for the trouble caused by the Jesuits." Bill Hughes (Author of The Secret Terrorists and The Enemy Unmasked) |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 12970175 United States03/22/2012 08:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: NIV Calls Lucifer, "Jesus" - this is blasphemy of the highest order! Don't use these corrupting bibles Lucifer should never be confused with Satan. Satan is a much older myth, and was a member of the Heavenly court, Lucifer rebelled. Satan is concerned with order, Lucifer chaos. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 12672973  Canada03/22/2012 08:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: NIV Calls Lucifer, "Jesus" - this is blasphemy of the highest order! Don't use these corrupting bibles That is why there is such a huge effort to get the KJV of the bible out of the hands of the faithful, it is working and as such will be the great falling away. There is a reason the Catholic church fought so hard to stop it from being created. They even tried to have King James killed but failed. |
| Jerichofall (OP) User ID: 1316155 Australia03/23/2012 08:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: NIV Calls Lucifer, "Jesus" - this is blasphemy of the highest order! Don't use these corrupting bibles Good comments, appreciate the support. Interesting pick up Murdock/ Marduk the Babylonian 'god'. Interesting.. Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them. Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 13086556 Australia03/23/2012 08:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: NIV Calls Lucifer, "Jesus" - this is blasphemy of the highest order! Don't use these corrupting bibles It also changes him from being the 'cornerstone' to the (pyramid) capstone. It's the lastest strategy from the paganocracy, equate Jesus with Lucifer, say they are brothers. NIV is published by satan. |
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| Jerichofall (OP) User ID: 1316155 Australia03/24/2012 02:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: NIV Calls Lucifer, "Jesus" - this is blasphemy of the highest order! Don't use these corrupting bibles We take things they way they are told in God's Word, and the name of my Lord and Saviour is Yah'shua the Messiah but Jesus is fine too, and He is and was God in the flesh, not the angel Michael who is the Captain of His armies, and not the devil who is a evil piece of filth. Yah'shua/ Jesus is going to judge the devil and send him to the lake of fire to burn forever and ever - amen to that! Careful the lies you preach if you don't want to join him. Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them. Amos 8:11 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD: Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 12970626 Australia03/24/2012 03:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: NIV Calls Lucifer, "Jesus" - this is blasphemy of the highest order! Don't use these corrupting bibles hey ..it's the one thing the NIV got right Quoting: Anonymous Coward 863287 Lucifer is a place ... Yahshua's throne the bright and morning star ... Yahshua is the bright and morning star CONNECT THE DOTS !! [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to openeyes1.weebly.com] This lines up with Jesus calling satan "baraq o bamah" lightning from the heights. |
| Mr_Electric User ID: 12765803 Australia03/24/2012 03:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: NIV Calls Lucifer, "Jesus" - this is blasphemy of the highest order! Don't use these corrupting bibles NIV Calls Lucifer, "Jesus" Quoting: Jerichofall [link to www.jesus-is-savior.com] Lucifer, Satan, NIV (1) Just about everybody knows the word "Lucifer" as another name for Satan. The word "Lucifer" is found one time in the King James Bible. Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! (2) But what about the NIV? The word "Lucifer" is clean, bald-headed gone and now this creature is identified as the "morning star". Lucifer is the "morning star" in the NIV. How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! (3) So we know that in the NIV the "morning star" is a negative, evil figure. Right? He was fallen from heaven. He was cast down to the earth. Can we find the "morning star" anywhere else in the NIV? Yes! The following passages in the NIV show the "morning star" as Jesus Christ! But the NIV just called the fallen creature of Isaiah 14:12 "morning star". Lucifer AND Jesus are ONE in the NIV! Lord have mercy, Jesus! Help me, Lord. NIV: Revelation 22:16, "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you [1] this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star." NIV: 2 Peter 1:19, And we have the word of the prophets made more certain, and you will do well to pay attention to it, as to a light shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts. NIV: Revelation 2:28-- I will also give him the morning star. NIV Reader, can you say to the "lord" OUT LOUD, "Oh, lord, Thank you for giving me the NIV. It is proper to call Jesus a fallen creature. Jesus and Lucifer are the same. Thank you, father." If you can, the lord and father you are praying to is--SATAN. If you cannot say this, you need to UTTERLY DESTROY your perverted "bible". Don't even use it to "help" you. Get a King James Bible so you can have the true word of God. This is very serious. Now if you look at Hoggards video (essential if you ask me!) on the King James code, this should be all the PROOF you need that this bible is indeed inspired by God and God alone, and Mike reiterates that despite giving it a fair go, no other modern bible worked in the same way. Hi JerichoFall, I can understand your point of view but I'd like to point you to some good info that will give you the knowledge that will straighten this issue out for you. Seriously, in this thread (linked below), I laid it all out and gave some links at the bottom of the first post on the thread to some resources that makes all of this totally clear. No it's not blasphemous at all. It's the truth and if you check it out, I think you'll agree! :-) God bless you with grace and peace! Thread: Is Jesus Lucifer? -- The Truth!!! [link to www.DeconstructingLucifer.com] [The time of Christ's return is drawing near. Repent of your sins and be reconciled to God the Father through the precious blood of Jesus Christ. The days of salvation are still here. Cry out to God and believe on Jesus while there is still time.] |
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| saros136 User ID: 16996431 United States06/01/2012 12:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: NIV Calls Lucifer, "Jesus" - this is blasphemy of the highest order! Don't use these corrupting bibles So, the Isaiah passage does not connect, either historically or theologically, with the New Testament passages about the devil or the satan. By listening to the Old Testament passage on its own terms within its own context, we discover that Lucifer is not an Old Testament name for the devil or the satan. The passage in Isaiah 14:12-17 is directed at the downfall of the arrogant Babylonian rulers who took Israel into exile. By beginning with the New Testament, by making assumptions not supported by a closer examination of Scripture itself, and by using external theological categories as a lens through which to read Scripture, we may end up badly misreading Isaiah. [link to www.crivoice.org] |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 11705783 United States07/22/2012 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: NIV Calls Lucifer, "Jesus" - this is blasphemy of the highest order! Don't use these corrupting bibles [link to www.apologeticspress.org] One of the most popular misconceptions among Bible believers is that Satan also is designated as “Lucifer” within the pages of the Bible. What is the origin of the name Lucifer, what is its meaning, and is it a synonym for “Satan”? Here are the facts. The word “Lucifer” is used in the King James Version only once, in Isaiah 14:12: “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!” The Hebrew word translated “Lucifer” is helel (or heylel), from the root, hâlâl, meaning “to shine” or “to bear light.” Keil and Delitzsch noted that “it derives its name in other ancient languages also from its striking brilliancy, and is here called ben-shachar (son of the dawn)... (1982, 7:311). However, the KJV translators did not translate helel as Lucifer because of something inherent in the Hebrew term itself. Instead, they borrowed the name from Jerome’s translation of the Bible (A.D. 383-405) known as the Latin Vulgate. Jerome, likely believing that the term was describing the planet Venus, employed the Latin term “Lucifer” (“light-bearing”) to designate “the morning star” (Venus). Only later did the suggestion originate that Isaiah 14:12ff. was speaking of the devil. Eventually, the name Lucifer came to be synonymous with Satan. But is Satan “Lucifer”? No, he is not. The context into which verse 12 fits begins in verse 4 where God told Isaiah to “take up this parable against the king of Babylon,” [link to www.biblestudytools.com] |
