Still don't believe that the shooting of Trayvon Martin will be used to repeal "Stand Your Ground Laws"

these people will use any excuse.

This situation was clearly NOT stand your ground...the silly bastard followed Martin around.

Contrary to the OP's apparent belief, cold blooded murder is NOT self defense.

Because they know an unarmed and defenseless public will be considerably easier to subjugate and enslave.


Communism 101.

Of course it is, that's why they had to get such a complete 911 call as evidence.

This is the same script they used with the underwear bomber to get all those cancer booths installed at the airports.

sacrifice a black man to further the real agenda...

I don't think that is what the op is getting at; this was murder, so there is NO reason for them to be whining about the stand your ground law.

Yeah. Because shooting a scared kid armed with an iced tea and a bag of Skittles is definitely self defense.

You douche.

Cant imagine how much of a circus this will become when the shooter gets charged. Anybody remember Rodney King verdict.
(and I am not saying he did nothing wrong)

It is not just Trevon buddy. Murder by gun is up 250% since 'stand your ground'. We had a case here in St Augustine last weeken that was totally justified. Unlike the out and out murder of Trevon. 250% is a big number to justify?

At this point, it doesn't matter if this was self defense or murder. It's going to be the personalization of what they say is wrong with stand and deliver. It's a nice story they can point to to drum up sympathy for their cause.

OP should learn the whole story before posting. Also, it is self defense if you are defending your home and property.
It is ILLEGAL to follow someone, no matter what the crime, and shoot someone. Call and report the crime and let the police do their job as long as your tax money is writing their paychecks.
The only time you can use "self defense", whether it be a gun, knife, weapon of any kind, outside of your home, is if you feel threatened and your life is in danger.

I live in a state where it is legal to carry a firearm in your vehicle as an extension of your home. You must still feel threatened in order to use the weapon, and if I am out and about and see a crime, I do not follow the offender and shoot them dead, unless I come upon an armed robbery, or a deadly crime that puts someone elses life in danger.

Learn your laws, and please never carry a gun, because your a moran.

GOD how I miss my home. St. Auggy Beach... Sigh.

Panama Hatties, The Sunset Grille... *cries*

Whatever happens, they cannot take away your legal right to defend your property and home. They will never charge and individual who absolutley, without question, used force to defend their life off of their personal property.

+1000

THATS OK....THEY'LL SETTLE FOR YOUR GUNS

The day they announce they are taking guns, my friend,
Will be a dark day for the government.

223 million registered gun owners in the United States.
Thats just registered.
My state does not force me to register any weapon I own.

Yea we will just let our 2nd amendment right be ran over.
This will never happen.

Sorry....

Bottom line: If the kid really was running away then the shooter is guilty. If the kid was really presenting a credible threat then the shooter stopped that threat legally.

Sticking point: We may never know which was true because of the plausible dishonesty of both the shooter and those speaking for the dead kid.

Reality: Those who oppose the second amendment and even the right to basic self defense in general don't need care about legitimate reasons, they only wait for a marketable excuse to jump on the nearest bandwagon and racism (angry white man vs little black kid) is one of the most overused but least defendable escuses around.

I hope the shooter really was in danger and properly defended himself. I wish the kid wasn't dead, but I may never know and can never change the truth of either.

Whether this changes any state laws or not, it won't change my opinion that following a criminal during a 911 call is a good idea to do my part to help. Won't change the way I would respond to a threat to save my life or the lives of others. Won't change my opinion that you never ever fire your weapon at somone who is running away and clearly no threat to you or others.

Last Edited by Resister on 03/22/2012 08:58 PM

So a verbal threat from a teen, is worthy of a grown man putting a bullet in his chest?
He really felt that threatened from a childs empty threat?

Exactly

Link please

It's time you got your negro problem back under control. Letting them run wild in the streets is no alternative to shooting a few of them to keep the rest honest.

Somewhere there must be an option in the middle. You yanks best find it quick before you totaly lose control of them.

When you lose The 2nd, you lose the rest.
Think!

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right

Last Edited by the deplorable ar-15 nut on 03/22/2012 09:08 PM

I felt threatened, so I shot the bastard......sounds like a great law for a state loaded up on pussies with guns.

Hey. guess what? OP had the word "justified" before the word shooting in the title of his thread. He edited it.

I was reacting to that, douchie.

Understand?????????????

You seem to be a gun lover, and if they come for your weapons are you going to invite them in for tea and hand them over?

Explain?

The police responded to calls from the community over 400 times in the past year. Multiple burglaries had occurred recently in the community. Zimmerman had actually caught a burglar once who was subsequently arrested.

Asking a suspicious 6' 3" stranger (yes, this was not some thirteen-year-old kid the media is posting pictures of) cutting between houses in the same community, "What are you doing here?" is not illegal. In response to such a question, it is not legal to jump on the questioner and start punching him in the face.

Zimmerman had a cut on the back of his head, a bloody nose, wet grass stains on his back, AND an eye-witness who saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman punching him in the face while Zimmerman yelled for help.

In response to such attack, you are arguably protected by Castle Law doctrine. This is why the police did not arrest Zimmerman, and this is why charges will not be filed.

The media isn't reporting any of these facts. (Do you know why Trayvon was visiting his dad? Because he was suspended from school in Miami.)

The question is, what happened right after Zimmerman asked, "What are you doing here?" If Trayvon reeled around and attacked Zimmerman, then he committed an illegal and fatal error in judgment and action. If Zimmerman grabbed him first, then that's a different story -- Castle Law doctrine wouldn't protect him in such a situation.

The evidence (physical evidence and witnesses) supports Zimmerman's story.

To say it is "clearly NOT a stand your ground" case, is absurd. There is nothing "clear" about it...except that the evidence tends to support Zimmerman's account.

The cops screwed this up and continued to screw it up. It's so easy for them to do because it's like SECOND NATURE FOR THEM TO COVER UP A MISTAKE!!!!!! So when something happens they don't even think about the repurcussions, they just say lets cover up and give a flippant excuse. Now if they would have arrested Zimmerman for the shooting nobody would have been caring about what the police did in the case except the court. They had a 911 call and him on it with the 911 operator saying don't follow him but he did. Then an unarmed 17 year old with candy and tea but no gun shot dead. And Zimmerman saying it's self defense when he was the aggressor by his own words and recorded on tape. It's not Stand your Ground or self defense. In fact if the kid had a gun and shot him he would have been in the right for shooting him because he was the aggressor and was armed and He Could say Stand My Ground in self defense.

I don't like the law, but the man can't use that as a defense because he was the aggressor. If some man came up to you and said what are you doing, if he's not a cop you can say none of your business and especially if your not on his property. This guy wasn't the police or any govt. security mechanism and having a "neighborhood watch" designation doesn't make him a cop. He watches thats it which he did until he started spouting off about he looks high (how does he know) and such and saying stuff on the recording.

The reason why I don't like the law is the test case happening now with Zimmerman and the 17 year old. It makes it real easy for an unstable person and individuals like him to think that it's okay to attack someone and if something happens claim self defense because of the new law and you win. Not caring if it was and to be honest with you he may truly think what he did was self defense. Being ignorant, being unstable and having access to a weapon along side his warped thinking of what "self-defense" is can kill anybody.

Today its Treyvon, tomorrow it could be your child out there because the person was "In fear of his or her life" because in his or her mind you looking mean at them or cussing them out showed aggression and they where in fear and confronted your child and when your child said leave me alone or F you the person shoots them and say "self defense". Next time it could be your kid or family member and we will see if its okay for the next Zimmerman to just sit back and not get arrested.

Last Edited by Buck Johnson on 03/22/2012 09:15 PM

Re-read my post twerp.

Conspiracy theorist! they're doin it for your own good can't you see?

Derp.