Still don't believe that the shooting of Trayvon Martin will be used to repeal "Stand Your Ground Laws"

The police responded to calls from the community over 400 times in the past year. Multiple burglaries had occurred recently in the community. Zimmerman had actually caught a burglar once who was subsequently arrested.

Asking a suspicious 6' 3" stranger (yes, this was not some thirteen-year-old kid the media is posting pictures of) cutting between houses in the same community, "What are you doing here?" is not illegal. In response to such a question, it is not legal to jump on the questioner and start punching him in the face.

Zimmerman had a cut on the back of his head, a bloody nose, wet grass stains on his back, AND an eye-witness who saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman punching him in the face while Zimmerman yelled for help.

In response to such attack, you are arguably protected by Castle Law doctrine. This is why the police did not arrest Zimmerman, and this is why charges will not be filed.

The media isn't reporting any of these facts. (Do you know why Trayvon was visiting his dad? Because he was suspended from school in Miami.)

The question is, what happened right after Zimmerman asked, "What are you doing here?" If Trayvon reeled around and attacked Zimmerman, then he committed an illegal and fatal error in judgment and action. If Zimmerman grabbed him first, then that's a different story -- Castle Law doctrine wouldn't protect him in such a situation.

The evidence (physical evidence and witnesses) supports Zimmerman's story.

To say it is "clearly NOT a stand your ground" case, is absurd. There is nothing "clear" about it...except that the evidence tends to support Zimmerman's account.

The police responded to calls from the community over 400 times in the past year. Multiple burglaries had occurred recently in the community. Zimmerman had actually caught a burglar once who was subsequently arrested.

Asking a suspicious 6' 3" stranger (yes, this was not some thirteen-year-old kid the media is posting pictures of) cutting between houses in the same community, "What are you doing here?" is not illegal. In response to such a question, it is not legal to jump on the questioner and start punching him in the face.

Zimmerman had a cut on the back of his head, a bloody nose, wet grass stains on his back, AND an eye-witness who saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman punching him in the face while Zimmerman yelled for help.

In response to such attack, you are arguably protected by Castle Law doctrine. This is why the police did not arrest Zimmerman, and this is why charges will not be filed.

The media isn't reporting any of these facts. (Do you know why Trayvon was visiting his dad? Because he was suspended from school in Miami.)

The question is, what happened right after Zimmerman asked, "What are you doing here?" If Trayvon reeled around and attacked Zimmerman, then he committed an illegal and fatal error in judgment and action. If Zimmerman grabbed him first, then that's a different story -- Castle Law doctrine wouldn't protect him in such a situation.

The evidence (physical evidence and witnesses) supports Zimmerman's story.

To say it is "clearly NOT a stand your ground" case, is absurd. There is nothing "clear" about it...except that the evidence tends to support Zimmerman's account.

You seem to be a gun lover, and if they come for your weapons are you going to invite them in for tea and hand them over?

Hey. guess what? OP had the word "justified" before the word shooting in the title of his thread. He edited it.

I was reacting to that, douchie.

Understand?????????????

Read my post above. He was no "child." He was 6' 3" and almost eighteen-years-old...and he was kicking this "grown man's" ass.

The only part of my post above that I'm not sure about is the police being called to the community 400 time the past year. I suspect this was a typo is the story I read, but they were called a significant number of times, nonetheless.

The Castle Doctrine gets thrown out the window when you pursue somebody. Zimmerman pursued the kid according to his own 911 call which will seal his fate. This case has NOTHING to do with the Castle Doctrine.

And btw anyone claiming that latino "white" is a stupid moron. Period.

The police responded to calls from the community over 400 times in the past year. Multiple burglaries had occurred recently in the community. Zimmerman had actually caught a burglar once who was subsequently arrested.

Asking a suspicious 6' 3" stranger (yes, this was not some thirteen-year-old kid the media is posting pictures of) cutting between houses in the same community, "What are you doing here?" is not illegal. In response to such a question, it is not legal to jump on the questioner and start punching him in the face.

Zimmerman had a cut on the back of his head, a bloody nose, wet grass stains on his back, AND an eye-witness who saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman punching him in the face while Zimmerman yelled for help.

In response to such attack, you are arguably protected by Castle Law doctrine. This is why the police did not arrest Zimmerman, and this is why charges will not be filed.

The media isn't reporting any of these facts. (Do you know why Trayvon was visiting his dad? Because he was suspended from school in Miami.)

The question is, what happened right after Zimmerman asked, "What are you doing here?" If Trayvon reeled around and attacked Zimmerman, then he committed an illegal and fatal error in judgment and action. If Zimmerman grabbed him first, then that's a different story -- Castle Law doctrine wouldn't protect him in such a situation.

The evidence (physical evidence and witnesses) supports Zimmerman's story.

To say it is "clearly NOT a stand your ground" case, is absurd. There is nothing "clear" about it...except that the evidence tends to support Zimmerman's account.

The Castle Doctrine gets thrown out the window when you pursue somebody. Zimmerman pursued the kid according to his own 911 call which will seal his fate. This case has NOTHING to do with the Castle Doctrine.

ALWAYS TRYING to blame the white man for their problems....


Yeah, I guess Haiti, and South Africa are bad examples too? LOL!

Latino is NOT white. Agreed. ;-)

It's really easy for both sides to armchair quarterback this one. I'm going to withhold judgement until I see the results of the investigation, and I suggest the rest of you do the same. This case has the full attention of the media and federal government now; if the permit holder did something wrong, he won't be getting away with it.

It's not "pursuit" if you live there! The guy was cutting between houses in a closed community that Zimmerman monitors as part of Neighborhood Watch. It's not illegal to ask someone suspicious, what they are doing there. Zimmerman was in a place where he had a legal right to be asking a question that is perfectly legal. What none of us knows for sure, is what happened next. What happened next controls whether Castle Law doctrine applies.

Blaeks do have some pretty kewl names though, gotta admit...


Travon, Lasheekah, Twafeesha....


But my ALL TIME FAVORITE, the single one who takes the WHOLE cake has GOTTA be: P L A X I C O!

YUP! Plaxico... Were his parents forming a plexiglass company offshoot when they named him?

Plaxico is unbreakable ('cept when shooting one's self).

Even better than Strahfreakwah! (s.p.?) May have misspelled that one though... Sorry Strahfreakwah!

So a verbal threat from a teen, is worthy of a grown man putting a bullet in his chest?
He really felt that threatened from a childs empty threat?

They're just pushing the boundaries, trying to see if white people will finally snap out to install martial law.

<crackas be hatin dawG!

TRUFE do, ain't it???



LMAO


Sho 'nuff

The day they announce they are taking guns, my friend,
Will be a dark day for the government.

223 million registered gun owners in the United States.
Thats just registered.
My state does not force me to register any weapon I own.

Yea we will just let our 2nd amendment right be ran over.
This will never happen.

Sorry....

It should be pointed out Trayvon Martin was under NO OBLIGATION to answer Zimmerman or do ANYTHING Zimmerman requested. ZERO!

Zimmerman had no grounds to question him, detain him or do anything whatsoever to him. He *could* follow him, since it's a public street. He could talk AT him, but Martin was under no obligation to respond. And a non-response did not warrant ANY further action. In fact, if Treyvon Martin yelled at him, swore at him or talked back at him in a nasty fashion he would have been well within his rights to do so.

As a concerned citizen, Zimmerman can call the police any time he wants, for any reason, to report any active he feels is suspicious. That's it!

So Zimmerman running around like a vigilante, Mr. Big Shot, chasing this kid down, may have sealed his fate. I don't think the Stand Your Ground Law applies here, because Zimmerman PURSUED this kid and was clearly aggressive. He's a complete idiot. Call the cops, let them handle it. Guilty of murder or any other crime? Maybe not. Idiot? In my opinion, yes. They're probably both idiots, but it sounds like Treyvon ran away when first confronted, which he had every right to do.

Sure it is. One thing that was emphasized by the instructor of my Fla CCW class was that you cannot pursue, follow, chase, etc. anybody, even in your own yard. If the suspect is moving away from you, the Castle Doctrine doesn't protect you. Thats how i understand it and thats what i live by.
Everybody in my neighborhood is part of the neighborhood watch program. It doesn't give us anymore rights than anybody else, especially with guns. Zimmerman fucked up and his own 911 call will seal his fate, especially now that its such a high profile case.

-Caliber of weapon used. Barrel length and shot distance.

-Amount of shots fired?

-Weapon sight date. Optics/type of sights ie, 3 dot night, Open factory type..

-Bullet weight and type ie, Black Talon, Starfire, Hornaday, etc

-Subject position data..Was he on the run? Stationary, moving slowly, slinking about?

-Impact and shot placement details.

-Subject weight and clothing details?

-Weather conditions at the time og the kill; cloudy, dark, Daylight.

-Last utterances (aside from gurgling blood) of the deceased ?

Any info will be helpful to prevent this from happening again in the Neighborhood Watch Sector.

May God Bless the little feller left behind...He needs a new daddy now...any takers???

See pic..

[link to www.wtsp.com]

It should be pointed out Trayvon Martin was under NO OBLIGATION to answer Zimmerman or do ANYTHING Zimmerman requested. ZERO!

Zimmerman had no grounds to question him, detain him or do anything whatsoever to him. He *could* follow him, since it's a public street. He could talk AT him, but Martin was under no obligation to respond. And a non-response did not warrant ANY further action. In fact, if Treyvon Martin yelled at him, swore at him or talked back at him in a nasty fashion he would have been well within his rights to do so.

As a concerned citizen, Zimmerman can call the police any time he wants, for any reason, to report any active he feels is suspicious. That's it!

So Zimmerman running around like a vigilante, Mr. Big Shot, chasing this kid down, may have sealed his fate. I don't think the Stand Your Ground Law applies here, because Zimmerman PURSUED this kid and was clearly aggressive. He's a complete idiot. Call the cops, let them handle it. Guilty of murder or any other crime? Maybe not. Idiot? In my opinion, yes. They're probably both idiots, but it sounds like Treyvon ran away when first confronted, which he had every right to do.

Whatever happens, they cannot take away your legal right to defend your property and home. They will never charge and individual who absolutley, without question, used force to defend their life off of their personal property.

You may be right. I'm curious to see how this investigation shakes out. The question turns on whether this was a pursuit, perhaps. I shudder to think of the chilling effect this would have if they rule that simply questioning a suspicious person in your neighborhood constitutes "pursuit." Perhaps if he never called the police in the first place, this wouldn't even be a question or consideration.