If the Supreme Court kills Obamacare. You lose.

This thread is getting entirely too much traffic in light of the idiocy promulgated by BrainsTurnedToShit.

Last Edited by UseLessRepEATER on 03/28/2012 02:17 AM

If they have any money for Obamacare, it's already been spent. It was not meant for the people, it was meant for the insurance companies and for more cost shifting and interfering in people's personal affairs. Politicians and their insiders would all be heavily invested in the insurance industry ($$$$$).

I don't understand... Why are you so EAGER to give your HARD EARNED CASH to the insurance companies, companies are by DEFINITION designed to PROFIT. You pay your money to the insurance companies, who THEN decide whether or not they will cover your treatments. That's SICK. Wake UP!

They are LEECHES.

Remove the middle man - CHEAPER and BETTER health care for ALL.

God bless america! You need it!

That's why the insurance company lobbies wrote Obama-no-care.

Dear Mr Ayers(OP) fuck off and die.

thanks, your buddy

Everybody

free vaccines for everybody

Yes but thats a different thing altogether because
if you wreck your car you might hurt sombody
else but if you dont pay your health insurance
its you thats going be hurt.

Not another one of those "its ok to take all my rights away" idiots?!

Thanks for the propaganda and now for the reality. I have a high paying job with a large company that has gutted our insurance due to Obamacare. I wake up every day in pain and do not go to my chiropractor because I can no longer afford it. The cost of health care has skyrocketed and the quality of care has been reduced. They 'manage' your care by denial. You will be denied coverage by decree of the various socialist death panels who oversee the plan.

More people are now uninsured because they can't afford Obamacare. It is designed to destroy the health care industry so that everyone will have to turn to the government and the US congressional budget office predicts bankruptcy for the system. We already are close to having 60% of our budget going to unfunded entitlement programs just like european socialist welfare states that are now all collapsing.

Now a proper solution would be to bring back capitalism into the health care industry by making the real consumer of health care, you, make all the cost and provider decisions. Something like a medical savings account would do the trick. Capitalism works with health care. Compare the costs for treating your dog at the vet for a similar ailment that you would treat via our system. You will pay 10-100 times more under the socialist denial of care system that Obama is implementing.

The first two sentences of your post apply to me as well. Starting in 2013, we are taking a huge hit, compared to what we are now paying.

I wish we could just shop around for a Dr., just like when I am looking for a mechanic to fix my car.

why don't you say you are a Communist? Easy as that.

Our healthcare needeed fixing and had a lot of problems. This would just send us into the dark ages instead of fix it. Socialized medicine has not worked in any country, UK, Canada etc. Nothing but horror stories from those countries which you obviously don't read.

And I do not mean this as a slam against poor people, but the majority are either immigrants, illegal immigrants, or already lifelong or even generational recipients of social services and frankly have never had enough of an education to understand the difference between ideologies like Capitalism and Communism, or even what the word ideology means. So it's really the "poor people" who are fighting FOR it.

If you make $80,000 a year you will pay $4500 for insurance a year.

Or a $2000 penalty for not buying insurance.

If you make $25,000 a year you will pay almost $1800 for insurance or $650 penalty for not buying insurance.

Doesn't anyone realize how much you will be FORCED to pay..

How many will not be able to afford to buy the insurance anyway. But will still be required to pay the penalty portion without insurance.

If this was a good idea the government wouldn't have thought of it...

31 million were added to the insurance rolls because of this law..

I predict 31 million won't be able to buy the insurance...

From what I've read about Obamacare, I thought it was about being mandated to pay for health insurance, only to have almost all of it cut off when you reach an age where you are likely to need assistance. A new 'service' however, will be to council you into committing assisted suicide. This doesn't really sound appealing to me. Does this mean an elderly person will be forced to pay health insurance and not to qualified for care???

Regards driving, I thought it was a constitutional right, not a priviledge that can be withdrawn as they do now.

In Australia we already have a program in place similar to Obamacare and I have to say I was shocked by the reactions of most Americans to such a proposal. You are crazy if u think your law claiming that hospitals must treat serious ilness regardless, actually protects you.

I was diagnosed with a progressive fatal ilness and the medicine needed to at least slow the progress of this disease is over $2000 per month. Without our medicare and PBS system I would have a much shorter life span and the illness would reduce my quality of life to the point I could do nothing for myself.

Being a rare disease I have spent a majority of my time learning bout it through forums set up by Americans and have had to read over and over again the anguish of these families who mortgaged their houses and lost all their savings simply trying to give their children the medication they needed - and most even after sacrificing all this could still only afford to give their child half of the necessary dose.

The medication is not something you can stop and start whenever you can afford it. In fact stopping after starting can kill you. These people would finally have some relief if Obamacare was introduced.

Doctors do not leave their jobs otherwise we'd be in a shitload of trouble her in Australia.

Sure some whinge but these guys all still have the nicest houses on their street.

Please consider the humanitarian concerns before you go ballistic over who has to pay for it. Only those who can afford (due to their higher earning bracket) are made to pay for their own and with in an economic downturn all are (as noone is immune to losing it all in this economy) eligible for it.

Seriously guys it is a good thing!

op fail

remember when pelosi said "we'll just have to pass the bill to find out what's in it"...?

well, coming january 1st, 2013, if this unconstitutional law isn't shot down, we will see a national sales tax on homes and used cars, 16,000 new IRS agents, and a little something called "comfort care".

"comfort care" is in essence sarah palin's "death panels".

why do you think this shit all starts in 2013?

because obama can't be reelected.

Let's see...if our "representatives" did not legislate NAFTA,CAFTA and GATT, we would have those millions of jobs that were forced overseas. Those jobs provided full medical coverage....at little to no cost to the taxpayer. Sorry OP....it looks like you are behind the ball and in a reactionary mode.

yep unemployed no insurance go to court for not having it go to jail wa la free health care and food hell yeh I think that dumb ass op got it figured out. More folks in jail the better who gives a fuck if you live or die in jail.Camps whatever you want to call it.

just saying

I hope they come a knockin when I don't sign up for their evil HC, eugenics plan:

OK, so the constitutionalist of Obamacare is being decided by the Supreme Court right now.

Why has nobody filed a case with the Supreme Court regarding the current system where taxpayers reimburse hospitals for patients with no insurance or money? Maybe because a reasonable case cannot be made saying that it is unconstitutional?

I remember once when I was in intensive care (and fully conscious thankfully), where the rooms were divided by glass walls. In the next room was a homeless alcoholic screaming hairy spiders with terminal liver failure. The nurses told me that the police had picked him up and delivered him to the hospital, and that the hospital had to pay for everything and then submit the bill to some government agency for reimbursement, which took a very long time. I had a job, paid my insurance, and I was covered. He had no job, spent his money on cheap wine, and I was paying for him as well.

I'm not saying I'm a huge fan of Obamacare, but one of the things it is designed to do is prevent the above situation.

It´s ALL about getting the peoples money Ace. Not giving people healthcare.

thank you op , for haveing the courage to stand up for your beliefs ,there many things which president OBAMA , isnt getting any credit for, but hey, look at all LBJ did , for the average american ,yet , ask a teenager on the street what they think of lbj and they prolly think your talking about a sandwinch, those who forget the past are destined to repeat it.

You do realize that the same people that created the healthcare crisis are the same ones that instituted this draconian legislation....right?

Buy health insurance or go to prison. But the people going without health insurance now are the ones who can´t afford it.
That´s crazy.

Loco.

Yeah, send the people that can't afford health care to prison, kill the elderly and increase taxes and IRS agents. Who wouldn't be happy with that?

Government funded health care is the only right thing. I guarantee you will have more money in your wallet. And all the health care you need, without having to worry that you will lose your house or whatever.

Government funded health care is obviously good enough for your troops.

I've experienced both. I'd say private health care is head and shoulders better than government health care.

.... you want to see government healthcare in action?

go visit your local reservation.... and then come tell me how good it's going to be. LOL!

Unless you´re poor and have no insurance at all that is.