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EARTHANGEL User ID: 16344 Netherlands 11/15/2005 10:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | THE STORY OF THE ESSENE GOSPEL OF PEACE Translated by Edmond Bordeaux Szekely In Four Volumes It was in 1928 that Edmond Bordeaux Szekely first published his translation of Book One of The Essene Gospel of Peace, an ancient manuscript he had found in the Secret Archives of the Vatican as the result of limitless patience, faultless scholarship, and unerring intuition. This story is told in his book, The Discovery of the Essene Gospel of Peace, published in 1975. The English version of Book One appcared in 1937, and ever since, the little volume has traveled over the world, appearing in many different languages, gaining every year more and more readers, until now, still with no commercial advertisement, over a million copies have been sold in the United States alone. It was not until almost fifty years after the first French translation that Book Two and Book Three appeared (The Unknown Books of the Essenes and Lost Scrolls of the Essene Brotherhood), achieving rapidly the popularity of Book One. In 1981, Book Four, The Teachings of the Elect, was published posthumously according to Dr. Szekely´s wishes, representing yet another fragment of the complete manuscript which exists in Aramaic in the Secret Archives of the Vatican and in old Slavonic in the Royal Library of the Habsburgs (now the property of the Austrian government). The poetic style of the translator brings to vivid reality the exquisitely beautiful words of Jesus and the Elders of the Essene Brotherhood. Some of the chapters: The Essene Communions. The Sevenfold Peace. The Holy Streams of Life, Light, and Sound. The Gift of the Humble Grass. EXCERPTS FROM The Essene Gospel of Peace, Book Two: The Unknown Books of the Essenes And one man spoke: "But, Master, we are but men, we are not angels. How then can we hope to walk in their ways? Tell us what we must do." And Jesus spoke: As the son inherits the land of his father, So have we inherited a Holy Land From our Fathers. This land is not a field to be ploughed, But a place within us Where we may build our Holy Temple. -And even as a temple must be raised, Stone by stone, So will I give to you those stones For the building of the Holy Temple; That which we have inherited From our Fathers, And their Fathers´ Fathers. And all the men gathered around Jesus, and their faces shone with desire to hear the words which would come from his lips. And he lifted his face to the rising sun, and the radiance of its rays filled his eyes as he spoke: "The Holy Temple can be built Only with the ancient Communions, Those which are spoken, Those which are thought, And those which are lived. For if they are spoken only with the mouth, They are as a dead hive Which the bees have forsaken, That gives no more honey. The Communions are a bridge Between man and the angels, And like a bridge, Can be built only with patience, Yea, even as the bridge over the river Is fashioned stone by stone, As they are found by the water´s edge. And the Communions are fourteen in number, As the Angels of the Heavenly Father Number seven, And the Angels of the Earthly Mother Number seven. And just as the roots of the tree Sink into the earth and are nourished, And the branches of the tree Raise their arms to heaven, So is man like the trunk of the tree, With his roots deep In the breast of his Earthly Mother, And his soul ascending To the bright stars of his Heavenly Father. And the roots of the tree Are the Angels of the Earthly Mother, And the branches of the tree Are the Angels of the Heavenly Father. And this is the sacred Tree of Life Which stands in the Sea of Eternity. EXCERPTS FROM The Essene Gospel of Peace, Book Three: Lost Scrolls of the Essene Brotherhood For the earth shall be filled with the Peace of the Heavenly Father, as the waters cover the sea. I will invoke the Angel of Peace, Whose breath is friendly, Whose hand is clothed in power. In the reign of Peace, there is neither hunger nor thirst, Neither cold wind nor hot wind, Neither old age nor death. In the reign of Peace, Both animals and men shall be undying, Waters and plants shall be undrying, And the food of life shall be never-failing. It is said that the mountains Shall bring peace to the people, And the little hills, righteousness. There shall be peace As long as the sun and moon endure, Throughout all generations. Peace shall come down like rain upon mown grass, As showers that water the earth. In the reign of Peace shall the Law grow strong, And the Children of Light shall have dominion From sea to sea, unto the ends of the earth. T´he reign of Peace hath its source In the Heavenly Father; By his strength he setteth fast the mountains, He maketh the outgoings of morning and evening To rejoice in the Light, He bringeth to earth the river of the Law, To water and enrich it, He maketh soft the earth with showers; They drop upon the pastures of the wilderness, And the little hills rejoice on every side. The pastures are clothed with flocks; The valleys also are covered over with corn; They shout for joy, they also sing. O Heavenly Father! Bring unto thy earth the reign of Peace! 7´hen shall we remember the words Of him who taught of old the Children of Light: I give the peace of thy Earthly Mother To thy body, And the peace of thy Heavenly Father To thy spirit. And let the peace of both Reign among the sons of men. Come to me all that are weary, And that suffer in strife and affliction! For my peace will strengthen thee and comfort thee. For my peace is exceeding full of joy. Wherefore do I always greet thee after this manner: Peace be with thee! Do thou always, therefore, so greet one another, That upon thy body may descend The The Peace of thy Earthly Mother, And upon thy spirit The Peace of thy Heavenly Father. And then wilt thou find peace also among thyselves, For the Kingdom of the Law is within thee. And return to thy Brothers And give thy peace to them also, For happy are they that strive for peace, For they will find the peace of the Heavenly Father. And give to every one thy peace, Even as I have given my peace unto thee. For my peace is of God. Peace be with thee! EXCERPTS FROM The Essene Gospel of peace, Book Four: The Teachings of the Elect THE HOLY STREAMS Into the innermost circle have you come, into the mystery of mysteries, that which was old when our father Enoch was young and walked the earth. Around and around have you come on your journey of many years, always following the path of righteousness, living according to the Holy Law and the sacred vows of our Brotherhood, and you have made of your body a holy temple wherein dwell the angels of God. Many years have you shared the daylight hours with the angels of the Earthly Mother; many years have you slept in the arms of the Heavenly Father, taught by his unknown angels. You have learned that the laws of the Son of Man are seven, of the angels three, and of God, one. Now you shall know of the three laws of the angels, the mystery of the three Holy Streams and the ancient way to traverse them; so shall you bathe in the light of heaven and at last behold the revelation of the mystery of mysteries: the law of God, which is One. Now in the hour before the rising of the sun, just before the angels of the Earthly Mother breathe life into the still sleeping earth, then do you enter into the Holy Stream of Life. It is your Brother Tree who holds the mystery of this Holy Stream, and it is your Brother Tree that you will embrace in your thought, even as by day you embrace him in greeting when you walk along the lake shore. And you shall be one with the tree, for in the beginning of the times so did we all share in the Holy Stream of Life that gave birth to all creation. And as you embrace your Brother Tree, the power of the Holy Stream of Life will fill your whole body, and you will tremble before its might. Then breathe deeply of the angel of air, and say the word "Life" with the outgiving of breath. Then you will become in truth the Tree of Life which sinks its roots deep into the Holy Stream of Life from an eternal source. And as the angel of sun warms the earth, and all the creatures of land and water and ai r rejoice in the new day, so will your body and spirit rejoice in the Holy Stream of life that flows to you through your Brother Tree. And when the sun is high in the heavens, then shall you seek the Holy Stream of Sound. in the heat of noontide, all creatures are still and seek the shade; the angels of the Earthly Mother are silent for a space. Then it is that you shall let into your ears the Holy Stream of Sound; for it can only be heard in the silence. Think on the streams that are born in the desert after a sudden storm, and the roaring sound of the waters as they rush past. Truly, this is the voice of God, if you did but know it. For as it is written, in the beginning was the Sound, and the Sound was with God, and the Sound was God. I tell you truly, when we are born, we enter the world with the sound of God in our ears, even the singing of the vast chorus of the sky, and the holy chant of the stars in their fixed rounds; it is the Holy Stream of Sound that traverses the vault of stars and crosses the endless kingdom of the Heavenly Father. It is ever in our ears, so do we hear it not. Listen for it, then, in the silence of noontide; bathe in it, and let the rhythm of the music of God beat in your ears untfl you are one with the Holy Stream of Sound. It was this Sound which formed the earth and the world, and brought forth the mountains, and set the stars in their thrones of glory in the highest heavens. And you shall bathe in the Stream of Sound, and the music of its waters shall flow over you; for in the beginning of the times so did we all share in the Holy Stream of Sound that gave birth to all creation. And the mighty roaring of the Stream of Sound will fill your whole body, and you will tremble before its might. Then breathe deeply of the angel of air, and become the sound itself, that the Holy Stream of Sound may carry you to the endless kingdom of the Heavenly Father, there where the rhythm of the world rises and falls. And when darkness gently closes the eyes of the angels of the Earthly Mother, then shall you also sleep, that your spirit may join the unknown angels of the Heavenly Father. And in the moments before you sleep, then shall you think of the bright and glorious stars, the white, shining, far-seen and far-piercing stars. For your thoughts before sleep are as the bow of the skillful archer, that sends the arrow where he wills. Let your thoughts before sleep be with the stars; for the stars are Light, and the Heavenly Father is Light, even that Light which is a thousand times brighter than the brightness of a thousand suns. Enter the Holy Stream of Light, that the shackles of death may loose their hold for ever, and breaking free from the bonds of earth, ascend the Holy Stream of Light through the blazing radiance of the stars, into the endless kingdom of the Heavenly Father. Unfold your wings of light, and in the eye of your thought, soar with the stars into the farthest reaches of heaven, where untold suns blaze with light. For at the beginning of the times, the Holy Law said, let there be Light, and there was Light. And you shall be one with it, and the power of the Holy Light Stream will fill your whole body, and you will tremble before its might. Say the word "Light," as you breathe deeply of the angel of air, and you will become the Light itself; and the Holy Stream will carry you to the endless kingdom of the Heavenly Father, there losing itself in the eternal Sea of Light which gives birth to all creation. And you shall be one with the Holy Stream of Light, always before you sleep in the arms of the Heavenly Father. I tell you truly, your body was made not only to breathe, and eat, and think, but it was also made to enter the Holy Stream of Life. And your ears were made not only to hear the words of men, the song of birds, and the music of falling rain, but they were also made to hear the Holy Stream of Sound. And your eyes were made not only to see the rising and setting of the sun, the ripple of sheaves of grain, and the words of the Holy Scrolls, but they were also made to see the Holy Stream of Light. One day your body will return to the Earthly Mother; even also your ears and your eyes. But the Holy Stream of Life, the Holy Stream of Sound, and the Holy Stream of Light, these were never born, and can never die. Enter the Holy Streams, even that Life, that Sound, and that Light which gave you birth; that you may reach the kingdom of the Heavenly Father and become one with him even as the river empties into the far-distant sea. More than this cannot be told, for the Holy Streams will take you to that place where words are no more, and even the Holy Scrolls cannot record the mysteries therein. [link to www.essene.com] |
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EARTHANGEL User ID: 16344 Netherlands 11/15/2005 11:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Simon Peter Said To Them: Mary Magdalene Should Depart From Us, For Females Are Not Worthy Of Life. Yesua Said: I Shall Lead Her So As To Make Her Masculine, That She May Become Of Vivacious Spirit As Ye Other Males. For Every Female Who Shall Become Male Shall Enter The Theocracy Of Heaven. " Mandaeans did not see the Earthly Mother as evil as long as interaction with Her was kept balanced with spiritual pursuits. When spiritual matters were abandoned and Her charms fully concentrated upon, they say: Behold, everything is founded in the Earth and issueth from her and is kept in her and there is nought which leaveth her save soul and spirit which the Jordan bringeth out from her and delivereth them from her snares and bonds. For Earth is Ruha who holdeth and entangleth all mysteries and any being who doth not seek to depart from her. Behold this fair body that was nurtured by her! [At death] she encloseth it and consumeth it and maketh it as if it had never existed. And all the kindly mysteries which she produces and tends as [one tends] a lamp with oil, eventually she turns on them and devours them with teeth of wrath. This is the Earth of the Parents. She raised up physical life and she is the Great Mother from Whom all swarming creatures, burgeonings and increase proceeded and by Whom they are maintained. (A TS pp. 238). The Mother is ´the Left´, the Father ´the Right´: the Mother, Earth, the Father, Sky; the Mother, Matter; the Father, Non-matter; the Mother, ruha (vital spirit), and the Father, nisimta (soul). Their union is necessary for creation, it is necessary for life here and for life hereafter. When spirit and nature are balanced together in the Nazorean Way and become one, eternal life ensues: For the Drop [semen] of the Father and the [Womb of the] Mother are ranged with spirit and soul in the body. For the Drop combineth two mysteries and they are the mystery of the Father and of the Mother [as was] dumb_bitchd concerning them. Further, two mysteries, spirit and soul, came into being, were formed, and were called ´the four mysteries´. So Drop and Drop grasped one another´s mysteries and solidification took place in the Womb. And no body [´stuna] can exist that is not born [conceived] by two mysteries and built up of four mysteries. And when the four have given it shape, seven arise and subdivide into nine and then twelve shine forth in it. And [in] sixty days sixty seals are set on it. Thirty days set on it the seal of the Father and thirty nights set the seal the Mother on it until it is given over to one of them. If the Father signeth it in the Jordan it becomes the Father´s: the Mother signeth it in fire, it becomes the Mother´s. It will belong to the one of the twain who signed it and there will be no hatred; rancour or dissension between them on account of what they said and did. Covenant and boundary were made so that neither should be antagonistic to the other. So it is like a house, for building which design was employed. ´House´ is its name, for everything proceeded from and was formed in it. Thus the whole earth is a house: it is a great house in which mysteries are kept and selected by test. It is an Egg of Life [House of Life] for the Great Father. (ibid., pp.182-3.) Modern Essene Nazoreans of Sons Aumen Israel teach that Mother Nature is pure and beautiful when enjoyed within the context of the Essene Nazorean Way. When her goods and bounty are shared and when those who share her goodness live a natural peaceful rural life, then Her good side comes to the forefront. Modern life in industrial societies and large urban areas is considered an act of separation between the Earthly Mother and Heavenly Father. Individual ownership of many goods, modern consumerism, as well as divorce from personal organic gardening and natural housing, begin to bring out her evil side. When a person begins to collect many personal possessions and identify with ownership of them, problems begin to arise. When focus is placed on factory made objects rather than natural and handcrafted ones, and when ones life is detached from the seasonal flow and interaction in the garden, more darkness arises and the Ruha is more united with the lower Nephesh instincts, strengthening the ego and dwindling the true Self. Earth life outside of Nazorean encampment turns the Earthly Mother into a whore, Interaction with her at this point becomes destructive, and like the Hindu Kali, she devours her children and destroys them. Living a wholesome natural lifestyle in a Nazorean community, however, brings out all the positive sides of Heavenly Mother expressed thru nature and natural interaction with fellow Nazoreans. In this aspect She, the Earthly Mother, is seen as married to the Heavenly Father and all that is spiritual. The children of this union, the Nazoreans, flourish under this type of arangement. [link to essenes.net] |
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EARTHANGEL User ID: 16344 Netherlands 11/15/2005 11:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let me begin by pointing out what modern scholars think that the earliest heterodox gnostic Christian sects and communities taught: 1) A "Doctrine of Emanations" from one Eternal Source, or the idea that all individuals have their origin in the Eternal and all partake, in their inner most being, in the eternal. 2) The preexistence of souls in a spiritual state who subsequently fell into matter and became clothed with bodies, yet who still retain a Divine Spark within, this spark being the means of salvation. 3) Redemption/Salvation through Knowledge, Wisdom or Gnosis revealed and imparted by Yeshu (Jesus), the Savior, who descended from the Heavenly Realms to earth. The means and method by which this "incarnation" took place varied from sect to sect. 4) A distinction between the earthly Yeshu (Jesus before His baptism) and the Heavenly Christ, although both Yeshu (Jesus) and Christ had become one, hence the title Jesus Christ. The earthly Yeshu (Jesus) was considered to be the natural son of Joseph and Mary until his adoption at His baptism. 5) The concept of a Divine Feminine and of God as having the attributes of both Male and Female. A portion of the divine feminine was responsible for the fashioning of the lower realms of matter. 6) The existence of a "secret doctrine" or mystery teaching imparted by Yeshu (Jesus) to his disciples. 7) The crucifixion of Yeshu (Jesus) as an event interpreted on various levels: literal, symbolical and allegorical. The "death" of Yeshu (Jesus) was only in appearance as the "spiritual Christ" could not be subject to death. 8) The existence of evil powers, rulers, inferior or fallen angels, ruled over by a chief archon known by various names and who was instrumental in fashioning the lower worlds of matter. These beings have enslaved humanity but Christ triumphed over them and all those who follow Christ will likewise do so. 9) Since their descent into matter, souls have been subject to reincarnation, due to the weight of sin, matter and ignorance. Christ brought liberating Gnosis (knowledge) of man´s true origin and demonstrated a way out of rebirth known as "the resurrection of the dead." Christ, as Savior, possesses the power to restore the soul to its true nature. This was the "atonement," not a blood sacrifice of a Son to an otherwise implacable God for an "original sin." 10) A system of "initiation" whereby the esoteric doctrine of Yeshu (Jesus) by degrees was imparted to all who made themselves worthy. Although there were divergences among the various sects and schools, there was room for creative freedom and individual interpretation. The earliest Christianity was diverse yet all-inclusive. The believer, no matter what his religion, could embrace Christianity in the form that best suited him. Since there was a preponderance of sects and schools, this was not difficult. Christ remained the center and cornerstone of the religion, and the believer could accept Christ as he or she was able to perceive him. The Jew, the Greek, the Persian, the Egyptian, the Hindu could accept Christ and yet not discard his own religion and the concepts most dear to him. Christ is the Universal Savior. Two early groups of Christians were the Nazareans and the Ebionites (both Judaized Essene-like groups). Their beliefs were in contrast with later orthodox beliefs. We will see the nature of the forces applied to create orthodox doctrines and to sweep the original beliefs into the historical dustbin (until 1945 as we will see). [link to essenes.net] |
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Allen1 User ID: 2076 United States 11/15/2005 02:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And this all only further demonstrates the futility of individuals who have not gained the ability to think wholistically, on multiple dimensions and beyond linearly, presuming to understand the words or teachings of those who have. The world, like this forum, is full of people who have not done their own work on themselves because they foolisly and irresponsibly believe someone else has already done it for them and now all they have to do is have faith in words they can´t begin to understand and worship and pray to an idea they don´t dare look directly at. I marvel here every day at the hoard of so-called Christians who persist in deciphering only the narrowest interpretation of Christ. They copy and paste endless amounts of scripture to compensate for their inability to think for themsleves, or at least to think outside the religious programming their cherished scriptures have reduced them to, and for their complete lack of creative imagination which they fear even more than their dreaded anti-Christ. I often think to myself, if only these people could read the utter nonsense they post through the eyes of someone who is free from the religious mindset they would surely snap out of the ludicrous spell they are under. But alas, that is just wishful thinking on my part. When a person lacks the courage and/or the will to face the truth of themselves they´ll always cling to one form of denial or another. So be it. Let them march like lemmings to the completion of their self-fulfilling - end of the world - prophecy. While these folk are coming to terms with the fact that the litteral narrowness of their vision has led them to literally miss the boat, the rest of us will enjoy a much welcome break from the insanity which is religious programming and superstition, and after a period of celebration begin planning for the next round of ´hold the door´ until the last of the floundering scragglers finally make their way through. Fortunately those of us who have regained the memories that time tried to steal know well that this has all already occurred or we might be tempted to just throw in the towel. Know what I mean? |
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B User ID: 260 United States 11/15/2005 03:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This much all Christians are agreed upon: Every true believer must be baptized by the Spirit into the Body of Christ. We muxt first recall that we all believe salvation is past, present and future: We have been saved (justification), we are being saved (sanctification), and we will be saved (glorification). Sanctification is where we are now. This has to do with holiness. Holiness proceeds from the work of the Spirit in our hearts. We need to seek the life that reflects the beauty of Jesus. It comes as we are filled with the Holy Spirit. As he works in and through us as we are yielded to God and his will. |
EARTHANGEL User ID: 16344 Netherlands 11/28/2005 10:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In 1945 a discovery of momentous proportions added to the canon of the lost teachings of Jesus. The tale of the Nag Hammadi scrolls would make a good movie script including murder and intrigue. The priceless papyrus scrolls finally ended up on the black market then eventually found their way to the Coptic Museum of Cairo. But five amazing texts were smuggled to America for sale. I´ll let a section from the Introduction to The Gnostic Gospels by Elaine Pagels continue from here: "... Word of this codex soon reached Professor Gilles Quispel, distinguished historian of religion at Utrecht, in the Netherlands. Excited by the discovery, Quispel urged the Jung Foundation in Zurich to buy the codex. But discovering, when he succeeded, that some pages were missing, he flew to Egypt in the spring of 1955 to try to find them in the Coptic Museum. Arriving in Cairo, he went at once to the Coptic Museum, borrowed photographs of some of the texts, and hurried back to his hotel to decipher them. Tracing out the first line, Quispel was startled, then incredulous, to read: "These are the secret words which Jesus spoke, and which the twin, Judas Thomas, wrote down." Quisel knew that his colleague H.C. Puech, using notes from another French scholar, Jean Doresse, had identified the opening lines with fragments of a Greek Gospel of Thomas discovered in the 1890´s. But the discovery of the whole text raised new questions: Did Jesus have a twin brother, as this text implies? Could the text be an authentic record of Jesus´ sayings? According to its title, it contained the Gospel According to Thomas; yet, unlike the gospels of the New Testament, this text identified itself as a secret gospel. Quispel also discovered that it contained many sayings known from the New Testament; but these sayings, placed in unfamiliar contexts, suggested other dimensions of meaning. Other passages, Quispel found, differed entirely from any known Christian tradition: the "living Jesus," for example, speaks in sayings as cryptic and compelling as Zen koans: Jesus said, "If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you." What Quispel held in his hand, the Gospel of Thomas, was only one of the fifty-two texts discovered at Nag Hammadi (the usual English translation of the town´s name). Bound into the same volume with it is the Gospel of Phillip, which attributes to Jesus acts and sayings quite different from those in the New Testament: "... the companion of the [Savior is] Mary Magdalene. [But Christ loved] her more than [all] the disciples, and used to kiss her [often] on her [mouth]. The rest of [the disciples were offended] ... They said to him, "Why do you love her more than all of us?" The Savior answered and said to them, "Why do I not love you as (I love) her?" ... Yet the gnostic Gospel of Thomas relates that as soon as Thomas recognizes him, Jesus says to Thomas that they have both received their being from the same source: Jesus said, "I am not your master. Because you have drunk, you have become drunk from the bubbling stream which I have measured out. ... He who will drink from the bubbling stream which I have measured out.... He who will drink from my mouth will become as I am: I myself shall become he, and the things that are hidden will be revealed to him." [This excerpt can be found here: Frontline: From Jesus to Christ; Introduction: The Gnostic Gospels by Elaine Pagels (PDF)] `From Thee, Father, and through Thee, Mother, the two immortal names, Parents of the divine being, and thou, dweller in heaven, humanity, of the mighty name...´ Let´s break down these strange yet revealing quotes that Elaine Pagels included in her introduction. "These are the secret words which Jesus spoke, and which the twin, Judas Thomas, wrote down." There are three points to be gleaned from this simple statement. The first is obvious, there are secret teachings. Why are their secret teachings and why did Jesus teach in parables? Jesus knew that the teachings from God had been changed. The Jews followed the dead letter of the law. The Old Testament Prophets´ admonishments and wisdom had been filtered over the years, no longer reflecting the vibrancy of the Word. Jesus saw the distortions of the Divine intent in other major religions as well. On his travels through India during his "lost years," he witnessed the hoarding of the mysteries of God by the Brahmins, keeping the ´little people´ in their place. He saw that the major religions of India: Hinduism, Buddhism and Jainism, had devolved. Vital elements for self mastery were missing. There is no doubt whatsoever that Jesus knew that the Bible would be changed in the future both unconsciously and on purpose. Important teachings would be taken out such as: karma, reincarnation, the rigors of the Path, the Divine Feminine within and the importance of women, and the most valuable teaching of all, that we are all Sons and Daughters of God. To safe guard the teachings for future generations he taught the ´mysteries´ and ´secret´ teachings to the select few. They were intended to not only transmit this information personally, to those they met on their travels but also to future generations as they reincarnated down through the centuries. They were western tertons (buddhists monks and lamas who were with Padma Sambhava a few centuries after Issa left Tibet and who were told they would reincarnate in this age with Padma Sambhava´s message). Jesus was also well aware of the guruchela relationship. The twelve disciples, Mother Mary, Mary Magdalene, Martha, Lazarus and others were his chelas. The guru always transmits the inner mysteries to his chelas. Not everything we need to know is in the Bible. The second point is obvious. He had a twin? That is mind boggling to say the least. Can it be true? Who´s to say? Maybe it refers to some sort of metaphysical concept. The third point is this, if it is true then there are some disturbing implications. Since Jesus was supposedly born of a virgin birth, wouldn´t the twin be a "Son of God" also. Judas Thomas has never been mentioned as equal to Jesus. Therefore, maybe the so called virgin birth was a myth concocted later to further remove Jesus from us. If Jesus was born like Judas Thomas and you and me, then we all have a chance to be Sons and Daughters of God. Mark was the first Gospel to be published and makes no mention of a virgin birth. Mathew and Luke were drawn from Mark and yet strangely enough, added the virgin birth. The Book of John makes no mention of it. Maybe the meaning of ´virgin´ was something different in the languages of the day. Maybe Mother Mary had a virgin consciousness that was able to hold the immaculate concept for Jesus throughout conception and during his young life. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The next quote rivals the best in metaphysical riddles: "If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you." We have a Divine Plan and the Light of God within us. If we bring forth the light and love within, it will transform us. More light and more love will return to us on the karmic return. If we do not become one with the light and love of God within our hearts but instead turn to darker emotions then that negativity will become an anathema to the Christ within. To put it another way, nearly every person who goes through the near death experience and is able to remember, finds out that God and the Spiritual Heiarchies do not judge them. They themselves are their own judge. The Christ within and their own conscience are their judges. The Cosmic Beings showing the souls the karmic record radiate pure love. The Light of God encompassing our souls has an innate intelligence. It cannot be fooled. There will be a reckoning some day, some lifetime, when the karmic clock runs out. Gian Girolamo Savoldo, ´Saint Mary Magdalene approaching the Sepulchre´, about 1530. Here´s the next quote: "... the companion of the [Savior is] Mary Magdalene. [But Christ loved] her more than [all] the disciples, and used to kiss her [often] on her [mouth]. The rest of [the disciples were offended] ... They said to him, "Why do you love her more than all of us?" The Savior answered and said to them, "Why do I not love you as (I love) her?" Talk about disturbing pictures. But why? Have we been programmed to think Jesus acts a certain way? He is not like us, is he? According to esoteric teaching brought forth not so long ago, either by the Summit Lighthouse, The Bridge to Freedom or possibly, The I Am Movement; Mary Magdalene was Jesus´ Twin Flame. We all have one twin soul who was created out of the same undifferentiated substance of Light many, many lifetimes ago. As the sphere separated out from God forming the Yin and Yang, male and female, twin flames are born. Each has the same blueprint. We all make karma so we are not always fortunate to be with our twin flame in each life. Mary Magdalene could not help but be drawn to her twin flame in that life. He had realized and become the Christ. No stronger magnet exists. He was an irresistible force. A whole cottage industry of books has emerged revealing that Jesus did marry Mary Magdalene and that they had children. Two books on the subject are listed below, Holy Blood, Holy Grail and Bloodline of the Holy Grail. I recommend pursuing this line of research. It is fascinating. Unfortunately too much emphasis is often times paid to the physical bloodline of Jesus. The metaphysical concepts of the Blood being the Holy Spirit and the Grail being the Christ chalice within, are pushed aside. Mary Magdalene died in 63 AD in southern France. Various esoteric gnostic sects of Christianity throughout history have always held Mary Magdalene in the highest regard, even revered her. She was a true chela and one of Jesus´ best disciples hence his last statement: "Why do I not love you as (I love) her?" This was not a reference to twin flames but to her devotion to the Path. She was never a prostitute, nor does it say that in the Bible. Peter´s jealousy and possible hatred of women probably had something to do with the Catholic Church´s position on Mary Magdalene and women in general. Here is the final quote form The Gnostic Gospels: "I am not your master. Because you have drunk, you have become drunk from the bubbling stream which I have measured out. ... He who will drink from the bubbling stream which I have measured out.... He who will drink from my mouth will become as I am: I myself shall become he, and the things that are hidden will be revealed to him." The Master states he is not the master. Well that is rather blasphemous I must say. The Gospel of Thomas will never be allowed in the Bible for that satement alone. Continuing, if we drink from the same fount as He did, the bubbling stream of light that is the Christ consciousness, then we will become like him. It was his mission to show us the way, to be the example for an age. His victory measures out a portion of the office of Christ that he became if we truly walk the inner mysteries. If we put on the mantle of Christ, all that was taught secretly will be revealed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is another quote. It´s taken from The Gospel of Thomas by Marvin Meyers Jesus said to them, "When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter [the kingdom]." Verse 22. When you so identify with the light within; when you make the lower self like the God above, the Mighty I Am Presence; when you purify your chakras, the upper chakras magnifying the alpha or masculine and the lower chakras the omega or feminine energies; when you do these things the Christ image will descend down the crystal cord directly above and super impose itself over you. At that moment, Jesus will be with you. The Kingdom of God is not in some antiseptic corner of the universe. Do these things and you will be aware of it. The door will be open. You will already have entered. William House [link to www.reversespins.com] |
000 User ID: 12872 United States 11/28/2005 03:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | EARTHANGEL “Jesus taught mysteries and secret teachings to his disciples including several women. He did this for various reasons. The Gnostic gospels give us a glimpse of what he taught to those fortunate few.” ......................... I appreciate this thread. Some nice contributions to help expand thinking. (And did you know that “Earthangel” was a great song by the Penquins in the 1950s?) Anyway to do some serious study of the TEACHINGS OF JESUS, and to leave out completely his book; “A Course In Miracles,” shows me that this thread is a nice presentation of “old” ideas of what Jesus may have taught and said, FILTERED THROUGH the interpretations that naturally happen when stories are passed down from the past. But it is NOT COMPLETE. His ORIGINAL AND COMPLETE thoughts were given to us in his book “A Course In Miracles,” and it is about 1200 pages with ONLY HIS THOUGHTS AND HIS TEACHINGS. No interpretations, or comments by any other person. PURELY HIS WORDS. And if one seriously studies it one will see the similarity with much of what the Gnostic Texts teach as TRUTH. BUT JESUS’ COURSE IN MIRACLES is by far, THE MOST PROFOUND SCRIPTURE AND SPIRITUAL TEACHING EVER GIVEN TO MANKIND. And it is EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS; A Course In Miracles. That is what the student will learn. Nothing even has ever come close to what Jesus teaches in the Course. The bible; OT or NT, or any scripture ever found by any culture PALES COMPARED TO THE ACIM. And it stands to reason that they should, considering it is Jesus’ OWN WORDS. Not some statements purported to be what he said two thousand years ago. Millions are studying it, but I think it is unfortunate that so many still have not investigated HIS BOOK to us. And that many are still steeped in to the old dusty manuscripts written thousands of years ago, where so much of what was originally written about what Jesus said was altered and even completely changed by the individuals who were in power, so that what some people today are spouting off as “TRUTH”, or statements that they believe Jesus said, in many cases they are statements that have been altered and often changed in meaning from what he actually said. Look at the Course In Miracles, and maybe you will find that you are actually READY TO STUDY IT YOURSELF. I SAY THAT BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE ARE REALLY NOT READY TO STUDY IT YET. Thanks EarthAngel, a great name, and a great song. |
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000 User ID: 12872 United States 11/28/2005 04:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sophia "IF you had irrefutable proof that Jesus was a myth, would it change the impact of the "message" on you? " ................. Sophia I can say this for myself, if you had directed your question to my post. I have been studying Jesus´ A Course In Miracles, since 1982, I study it every day by reading some of it. Its beautiful and I don´t think I have missed one day in all that time. There are 365 lessons, to complete the workbook, which is one lesson for each day. It is also a SELF STUDY COURSE, which is BEST PRACTICED ALONE, and not with some group, this is my opinion. I was NOT able to do healings for people before I began to study it and within a few months, about six months after I began to do the studying of it, I was able to do my first healing. And since that first one I have been able to do several hundred, (more than 700) for people who have had all sorts of serious health problems which after the healing their problem disappeared. How does one know IF what one is studying or believing is VALUABLE OR the TRUTH? By WHAT YOU CAN DO AFTER YOU HAVE STUDIED IT! If all one can do is recite passages from some text that they memorized, then that proves nothing. But if one can actually DO THE HEALINGS/MIRACLES that Jesus TEACHES IN HIS BOOK, then you have proof that JESUS IS REAL AND HIS TEACHING IS THE TRUTH. And that is my proof that Jesus is real. By my own experience. And anyone can do what I have done, because Jesus teaches that we all can do it. |
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Freyja User ID: 3454 United States 11/28/2005 04:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you are the power you are the teacher you are the jesus you are the buddha you are the krishna it is all you...and only waiting on your embrace. not embracing externals. this gives your power and authority away and yet the love within still waits...only on you. |
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000 User ID: 12872 United States 11/28/2005 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sophia you said; "Thanks for taking the time to respond. However you answered a question I did not ask. I asked -IF you had irrefutable proof that Jesus was a myth, would it change the impact of the "message" on you? -" ......................... Sophia, my answer is still that because of what I have experienced, IT MAKES IT IRREFUTABLE PROOF THAT JESUS IS NOT A MYTH. HE IS REAL. There CAN NOT be irrefutable proof that he is a myth. ITS IMPOSSIBLE, BECAUSE HE IS REAL. My experience that I posted is my PROOF that Jesus is REAL. And that his book is the TRUTH. Or else I would NOT BE ABLE TO DO ANY HEALING for anybody. |
Freyja User ID: 3454 United States 11/28/2005 05:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 3474 yes you would. it is the frequency of unconditional love that heals...which Jesus was a teacher and example of....as you are and can too. an even higher frequency is that of wholeness which Jesus also attained...as you can too. the highest frequency is oneness which you can also learn from Jesus...and once you do...you will see that it was always within YOU. |
fnfal User ID: 35094 United States 11/28/2005 05:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Barf! Gnosticism is just mystery religion started by Cain 4000 years before Christ. A preverted repackaging of what was to come. The "answers with" crap is the same lie Cain´s father gave to the good couple of the Garden. "Your are a God, you will have the knowledge of Good and Evil." Even power players like the Masons know where their religion comes form. We are created by God for God, the Lord of Hosts and the God of Israel. We have no purpose outside of him. True happiness will always allude you over the long-term if you fail to realized this. |
000 User ID: 12872 United States 11/28/2005 05:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 1695 we need no one outside of our very own self to heal...with the power of your word you heal. you are the power you are the teacher you are the jesus you are the buddha you are the krishna it is all you...and only waiting on your embrace. not embracing externals. this gives your power and authority away and yet the love within still waits...only on you." ................... I agree with you only to the point that the potential is in each of us, and is God´s gift to us. BUT IF WE ARE NOT TAUGHT EXACTLY WHAT THAT ALL MEANS, IT WILL REMAIN DORMANT. If we are taught how to use the abilities we were given, and also taught about the PRINCIPLES which they function under, it is all as if we had no potential to do anything. And that photo you are using looks very much like someone I dated years ago. |
Freyja User ID: 3454 United States 11/28/2005 05:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I did not understand anything you said...must be a good reason for that. You are God. I have no other way of saying this except straight out. I have seen that the Father and I are one.LITERALLY This is not just true of me...it is true of all of us...it is potential...one that is there waiting for you and only you. |
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CASSANDRA User ID: 306 United States 11/28/2005 05:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why do we need to be saved? What do we need to be saved from??" --------------------------- SIN(false religions) because they cause confusion war and suffering. ---------------------------- To the first poster: best fucking question ever. Thank you. To the second poster: yeah. that worked out well. We have confusion, war and suffering...so.... Oh. CASSANDRA |
Freyja User ID: 3454 United States 11/28/2005 05:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 3474, you will find that as you unfold your will not need teaching, it is instilled from the mind of god that is you. the more open the mind the more access you have to this wisdom. you do not need to be taught how to heal with high frequency...it radiates from you and your being blesses and heals all that come in contact with you. |
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