Armageddon: The Self-Fulfilling Prophecy | |
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michaelsherlock (OP) User ID: 13939546 Japan 04/08/2012 09:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because you've just proven yourselg to be a Atheistic, non-religious Moron! you seem to harboring alot of hostility. Where does all that hatred and negativity come from? This is where you should begin to look. You can always trust a person in search of the truth, but never the one who has found it. MANLY P. HALL |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13994920 United Kingdom 04/08/2012 09:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because you've just proven yourselg to be a Atheistic, non-religious Moron! you seem to harboring alot of hostility. Where does all that hatred and negativity come from? This is where you should begin to look. No you Mock my Faith and ask where my Hostility comes from?. You are the one who lives in a hopeless world! |
Bent User ID: 1441871 United States 04/08/2012 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I want to see the magic of the Two Witnesses. Quoting: Bent If they can pull that off, then it might just be true. I do not understand. [link to bible.org] Their Conduct Their ministry is characterized in conduct by four great miraculous powers: (a) they can kill their enemies with fire; (b) withhold rain for three and a half years; (c) turn water into blood; and (d) bring plagues upon the earth (2 Kings 1:10-15; 1 Kings 17:1f; and Exodus 7-11). Why these specific miracles? First, they are a means of defense and protection to the two witnesses until their ministry is over (Rev. 11:5). But second, these specific miracles occur because of their significance to Israel. They will be used to turn the hearts of the jewish people to the Lord in preparation for the coming King. |
michaelsherlock (OP) User ID: 13939546 Japan 04/08/2012 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I want to see the magic of the Two Witnesses. Quoting: Bent If they can pull that off, then it might just be true. I do not understand. [link to bible.org] Their Conduct Their ministry is characterized in conduct by four great miraculous powers: (a) they can kill their enemies with fire; (b) withhold rain for three and a half years; (c) turn water into blood; and (d) bring plagues upon the earth (2 Kings 1:10-15; 1 Kings 17:1f; and Exodus 7-11). Why these specific miracles? First, they are a means of defense and protection to the two witnesses until their ministry is over (Rev. 11:5). But second, these specific miracles occur because of their significance to Israel. They will be used to turn the hearts of the jewish people to the Lord in preparation for the coming King. What a load of shit, aye! You can always trust a person in search of the truth, but never the one who has found it. MANLY P. HALL |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1194370 United States 04/08/2012 10:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for sharing your views OP, As to whether one views such prophetic writings as self-fulfilling or not seems to be left up to the reader to ponder and conclude. Even as you read and ponder and make a conclusion. Scripture makes mention of many things; Both natural and supernatural. Both material and spiritual. It mentions wars and pestilences and famines. Such things are within the power of man to promote or prevent. Then again, many of the signs leading to the culmination are simply outside the power and province of men to hasten or control, regardless of their personal power or desire or effort. For instance, natural and elemental signs (signs in the sun and moon and stars, etc...) and the mode by which they accelerate, like birthpains upon a woman bearing a child. However one views it, scripture seems clear (to me) in its presentation. Things will get much worse before they get much better. Surely one can read such things as self-fulfilling and physocological and examine them through that lense, while another can read such things as (sadly) inevitable, despite men and their best efforts to forestall or hasten such things. As you touched upon "the final battle", many do consider that the name Armageddon comes from from the Hebrew "Har Megiddon", meaning the “mountain of Megiddo” and, as you state, many historical battles have occured in that region. Zechariah 12:11 does indeed mention the valley of Megiddon. Whether is it natural or spiritualized, neither or both, the reader will come to his/her own conclusion, as each of us does. You also mention failed predictions. Indeed, there have been many who have focused on the timing of such events and failed in their predictions. But touching upon the assertion that the authors of the gospels and epistles record pedictions of the coming of The LORD in their lifetime, can you list some verses which lead one to such an assertion? You ask if such writings were based on psychology or scare tactics? Perhaps. Or perhaps another may ask if it is possible to consider that the author knows how the story will end. Who is right/wrong? These are questions left up to the reader to ponder and make his/her own conclusion. One things seems clear, all the readers are observing the mystery as it unfolds and all good mysteries have twists and turns leading to the final chapter. peace, |
Bent User ID: 1441871 United States 04/08/2012 10:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I want to see the magic of the Two Witnesses. Quoting: Bent If they can pull that off, then it might just be true. I do not understand. [link to bible.org] Their Conduct Their ministry is characterized in conduct by four great miraculous powers: (a) they can kill their enemies with fire; (b) withhold rain for three and a half years; (c) turn water into blood; and (d) bring plagues upon the earth (2 Kings 1:10-15; 1 Kings 17:1f; and Exodus 7-11). Why these specific miracles? First, they are a means of defense and protection to the two witnesses until their ministry is over (Rev. 11:5). But second, these specific miracles occur because of their significance to Israel. They will be used to turn the hearts of the jewish people to the Lord in preparation for the coming King. What a load of shit, aye! The problem is, if this is all fable, they manipulated the story so even if it wasn't true you would still have doubts even when presented with an alternate truth. You would still question the presenter of the alternate truth, by looking back at the Bible and justifying your beliefs because the Bible says that this would happen!.? If I was God, I would continually be teaching and have active participation in the growth and evolution of my creation. Not just have prophets pass down revelation in 2000 year intervals. God has never spoken to me directly. I mean what if I was a bush tribesman in the Amazon that had no contact with other humans EVER in the modern era? What happens to me then? |
michaelsherlock (OP) User ID: 13939546 Japan 04/09/2012 07:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for sharing your views OP, As to whether one views such prophetic writings as self-fulfilling or not seems to be left up to the reader to ponder and conclude. Even as you read and ponder and make a conclusion. Scripture makes mention of many things; Both natural and supernatural. Both material and spiritual. It mentions wars and pestilences and famines. Such things are within the power of man to promote or prevent. Then again, many of the signs leading to the culmination are simply outside the power and province of men to hasten or control, regardless of their personal power or desire or effort. For instance, natural and elemental signs (signs in the sun and moon and stars, etc...) and the mode by which they accelerate, like birthpains upon a woman bearing a child. However one views it, scripture seems clear (to me) in its presentation. Things will get much worse before they get much better. Surely one can read such things as self-fulfilling and physocological and examine them through that lense, while another can read such things as (sadly) inevitable, despite men and their best efforts to forestall or hasten such things. As you touched upon "the final battle", many do consider that the name Armageddon comes from from the Hebrew "Har Megiddon", meaning the “mountain of Megiddo” and, as you state, many historical battles have occured in that region. Zechariah 12:11 does indeed mention the valley of Megiddon. Whether is it natural or spiritualized, neither or both, the reader will come to his/her own conclusion, as each of us does. You also mention failed predictions. Indeed, there have been many who have focused on the timing of such events and failed in their predictions. But touching upon the assertion that the authors of the gospels and epistles record pedictions of the coming of The LORD in their lifetime, can you list some verses which lead one to such an assertion? You ask if such writings were based on psychology or scare tactics? Perhaps. Or perhaps another may ask if it is possible to consider that the author knows how the story will end. Who is right/wrong? These are questions left up to the reader to ponder and make his/her own conclusion. One things seems clear, all the readers are observing the mystery as it unfolds and all good mysteries have twists and turns leading to the final chapter. peace, I think you make some very good points. You can always trust a person in search of the truth, but never the one who has found it. MANLY P. HALL |
michaelsherlock (OP) User ID: 13939546 Japan 04/09/2012 07:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because you've just proven yourselg to be a Atheistic, non-religious Moron! you seem to harboring alot of hostility. Where does all that hatred and negativity come from? This is where you should begin to look. No you Mock my Faith and ask where my Hostility comes from?. You are the one who lives in a hopeless world! I do not mock your faith, simply question it. I would not call it a hopeless world, but it does need our attention. You can always trust a person in search of the truth, but never the one who has found it. MANLY P. HALL |