You can STOP dancing now, Bushtards: WOODWARD REVELATIONS may make things even WORSE for PRESIDENT HOWDY DOODY

Keep on a´spinnin´ PE.. hopefully you can keep it going until the next election and the dumbocraps can win a seat or two..


but I wouldn´t bet on it.

Oh.. Happy Fitzmas!

Sinanju, this changes absolutely nothing.

This corrupt regime is still going down.

Or do I have to remind you about the War Crimes Tribunal?

It would be good if some people actually read the indictments. Libby has NOT been indicted for OUTING plame, but for lying.

Woodward´s comments do not explain or wash away Libby´s lying.

It´s not, for me, about political allegiances Sinj. I do not see the Democrats as an alternative. In lieu of a contender I´m happy for the liars to slowly be sniffed out, nomatter who is doing the lying.

Sinanju,

you mean "spinning" like your partner (ac 73) tried doing by posting the "The Washington Times" editorial.

You spin that this is "good" news for Libby. that is going to be, like one of the admin´s team once said, "its going to be a hard long slug´, or some sort of spin after he said, they would throw candy and flowers at our soldiers. Thats what his good ol bud Chalaby told him.

Now, for the person looking at this and looking a the facts understands that in the long run this will do very very very little to help Libby (unless he is the birdie that sung). Then that would open up a whole other "package", and that one makes the administration squirm.

No, little help for libby, but a whole new avenue and perhaps "confirmation" of something, and now he needs to fill in the facts.

On the day Cheney decided to come out swinging, AND alerted the news groups to WHAT he would be talking about. Seemed to be a hastily arranged notification.

well see who has to spin using the dregs of reliabilty at the end of the day.

ol 73 has already started. How far behind can the rest be. You stand by The Washington Times Sinanju.

lol, answer the question. You stand by this rag

I do not read the Moony times. Thank you very much.

And if you think that this has nothing to do with Scooty Libby indictment then you are buying in to dumbocrapic rhetoric.

Free yourself, do not listen to them. They do not have your interst at heart(not saying da cowpoke does either BTW)

But the dumbos are desperate for power and scrambling to grab anything they can reach...

This Plame "scandal" is one such tactic...

DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? They do not care about Valerie Plame or yellowcake.. hell, mention it to Cynthia Mckinney and she thinks you bought her a birthday cake.

They ONLY care about getting elected.. that is ALL they care about and they are using "useful idiots" to do it.

I do find it funny that you try to label me with the Moony Times when you on the left next to NEVER cite anything but a far leftwing blog by some dude in the middle of nowhere..

and you act holier-than-thou with it as well.. THAT is the reason that people are still voting(and will more than likely continue) in the rethugs.. because you on the left get crazier and more loony everyday.

Wednesday, November 16, 2005

Bob Woodward´s explanation of why he didn´t come clean with his executive editor does not add up
by John in DC - 11/16/2005 11:04:00 PM

1. Woodward says that when he learned Plame´s name (in mid-June 2003), he was in the middle of finishing a book, and that´s why he didn´t want to come clean with his executive editor at the Washington Post about his involvement in the Valerie Plame affair - he was afraid of getting subpoenaed while working on the book.
When Woodward learned Plame´s name, he told The Associated Press Wednesday, he was in the middle of finishing a book about the administration´s decision to go to war in Iraq, and didn´t want to be subpoenaed to testify.
But no one was being subpoenaed in June 2003, no one was even talking about subpoenas at that time. Patrick Fitzgerald wasn´t even appointed as special prosecutor until December 2003, and the first journalists, from NBC and Time, weren´t subpoenaed until May 2004. Judy Miller wasn´t subpoeaned until August 2004, and she didn´t do jail time until summer 2005.

So why was Woodward afraid to come clean to his editor between June 2003 and December 2003, when PlameGate was already a massive scandal, yet before there was any talk at all of anyone being subpoenaed? Woodward´s fear-of-subpoena excuse just doesn´t hold water.

2. Today Woodward adds the following excuse for not coming clean:
"The grand jury was going and reporters were being jailed, and I hunkered down more than I usually do."
Again, this is why he didn´t want to fess up what he knew to his editors, fear of going to jail.

Okay, that´s a seemingly honest excuse for why Woodward might have been worried once reporters started getting subpoenas in May 2004. It doesn´t explain why he didn´t come clean before that time. And more importantly, it doesn´t explain why Woodward didn´t come clean this past summer. Let me explain...

3. By July 2005, Woodward was no longer worried about possibly being jailed, in fact, he offered on Larry King Live to be jailed in place of Judith Miller. Fair enough. Maybe Woodward really had gotten over the initial fear he suffered in mid-2004, the fear that stopped him from coming clean to his exec editor back then.

But if Woodward was over his fear of facing jail-time by mid-2005, over it enough that he was willing to offer to go to jail in Judity Miller´s stead, then why didn´t Woodward come clean with his editor at that time? In fact, Woodward didn´t come clean with his editor until just last month, October 2005, three months AFTER he offered to go to jail for Judy. So now we know that the fear-of-jail excuse doesn´t hold water either.

So, basically, Woodward´s explanations as to why he didn´t come clean with his executive editor just don´t add up.

[link to americablog.bbunny]

WHY oh WHY do you "true believers" ALWAYS assume that anyone who dares challenge the current spell of insanity is a DEMOCRAT?

You wanna see my voter registration card? Oh never mind, I just remembered that I don´t really give two shits about what folks like yourself think anyway.

IT´S NOT ABOUT DEMOCRATS, LIBERALS, REPUBLICANS OR CONSERVATIVES.

It´s about THE ORIGINAL REASON for the WAR. Which, if I need remind you, WAS NOT DEMOCRACY.

It´s the WEAPONS CLAIMS, stupid!

I don´t get it, Ninjitsu: you REALLY think that the Administration acted in GOOD FAITH, and that they were purely MISTAKEN in mentioning the Iraqi nuclear threat, and the tons and tons of nerve gas, and (the MOST HILLARIOUS OF ALL) the unmanned drone craft that could reach US shores in an hours time? You REALLY just accept the administrations "oops, MY BAD!" and go on with your life??? And, having accepted that, you´re NOT EVEN INTERESTED ENOUGH in WHO MISLEAD THE WHITE HOUSE????

ILLUMINATION, POR FAVOR!

I blame them for none of that.. nor do I buy into the rhetoric you are repeating. In fact, and I do not care to regurgitate this info for a clue challenged poster yet again, the things you just listed as lies are actually true...


"Recently discovered Iraqi documents now being translated by U.S. intelligence analysts indicate that Saddam Hussein´s government made extensive plans to hide Iraq´s weapons of mass destruction before the U.S. invasion in March 2003 - and had deep ties to al Qaida before the 9/11 attacks.

The explosive evidence was discovered among "millions of pages of documents" unearthed by the Iraq Survey Group weapons search team, reports the Weekly Standard´s Stephen Hayes.

In the magazine´s Nov. 21 issue, Hayes reveals that the document cache now being examined contains "a thick stew of reports and findings from a variety of [Iraqi] intelligence agencies and military units."

Though the Pentagon has so far declined to make the bombshell papers public, Hayes managed to obtain a list of titles on the reports.

Topics headlined in the still embargoed Iraqi documents include:
• Chemical Agent Purchase Orders (Dec. 2001)

• Formulas and information about Iraq´s Chemical Weapons Agents

• Locations of Weapons/Ammunition Storage (with map)

• Denial and Deception of WMD and Killing of POWs

• Ricin research and improvement

• Chemical Gear for Fedayeen Saddam
• Memo from the [Iraqi Intelligence Service] to Hide Information from a U.N. Inspection team (1997)

• Iraq Ministry of Defense Calls for Investigation into why documents related to WMD were found by UN inspection team

• Correspondence between various Iraq organizations giving instructions to hide chemicals and equipment

• Correspondence from [Iraqi Intelligence Service] to [the Military Industrial Commission] regarding information gathered by foreign intelligence satellites on WMD (Dec. 2002) • Cleaning chemical suits and how to hide chemicals

• [Iraqi Intelligence Service] plan of what to do during UNSCOM inspections (1996)

Still other reports suggest that Iraq´s ties to al Qaida were far deeper than previously known, featuring headlines like:

• Secret Meeting with Taliban Group Member and Iraqi Government (Nov. 2000)

• Document from Uday Hussein regarding Taliban activity

• Possible al Qaeda Terror Members in Iraq

• Iraqi Effort to Cooperate with Saudi Opposition Groups and Individuals

• Iraqi Intel report on Kurdish Activities: Mention of Kurdish Report on al Qaeda - reference to al Qaeda presence in Salman Pak

• [Iraqi Intelligence Service] report on Taliban-Iraq Connections Claims

• Money Transfers from Iraq to Afghanistan

While the document titles sound stunning enough to turn the Iraq war debate on its head, Hayes cautions that it´s hard to know for certain until the full text is available.

It´s possible, he writes, "that the ´Document from Uday Hussein regarding Taliban activity´ was critical of one or another Taliban policies. But it´s equally possible, given Uday´s known role as a go-between for the Iraqi regime and al Qaeda, that something more nefarious was afoot."

"What was discussed at the ´Secret Meeting with Taliban Group Member and Iraqi Government´ in November 2000? It could be something innocuous. Maybe not. But it would be nice to know more."

Hayes also notes that an additional treasure trove of evidence on Saddam Hussein´s support for al Qaida may be lost forever.

"When David Kay ran the Iraq Survey Group searching for weapons of mass destruction, he instructed his team to ignore anything not directly related to the regime´s WMD efforts," he reports.

"As a consequence, documents describing the regime´s training and financing of terrorists were labeled ´No Intelligence Value´ and often discarded, according to two sources."

Newsmax is the source.

NEWSMAX???

YOU have GOT to be SHITTING ME.

You´d have more credibility if you got your information from ART BELL, moron!

All that "evidence" you just posted is BUNK!

It´s the ramblings of someone GRASPING AT STRAWS. You´re too damn PROUD and AFRAID to say "I´m A STUPID FOLLOWER AND I WAS WRONG"

You´re the ONLY FUCKING PERSON LEFT ON EARTH who still believes half the bullshit you just wrote. And that includes MOST of the people in your own stupid party.

Jesus Christ, please have mercy on the STUPID.

Oh man,and that "iraq/al queda" thing that EVEN VICE PRESIDENT FUCKING CHEYNEY HIMSELF SAID IS NOW BOGUS...You´re such a GENIUS you dont´ even understand the political realities of the region.

SADAAM HUSSEIN: secular dictator who likes drinking and fucking whores. A Sunni Muslim who persecutes Wahabis.

OSAMA BIN LADEN: WAHABI orthodox religionist who called for overthrow of Sadaam in addition to the Royal Family.

Yeah, sounds like a MATCH MADE IN HEAVEN.

STUPID, STUPID, STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPID.

"NEWSMAX???"

Yep, that is what I said.. clean out your ears next time.

"YOU have GOT to be SHITTING ME."

No, i do not hate to be defecating you.

"You´d have more credibility if you got your information from ART BELL, moron!"

Or a liberal site? right?

"All that "evidence" you just posted is BUNK!"

As opposed to all your "evidence"? What wouuld you label that? Truth?

"It´s the ramblings of someone GRASPING AT STRAWS. You´re too damn PROUD and AFRAID to say "I´m A STUPID FOLLOWER AND I WAS WRONG"

Is that like a Stuart Smalley rant? Are you going to tell yourself that people actually like you now?

"You´re the ONLY FUCKING PERSON LEFT ON EARTH who still believes half the bullshit you just wrote. And that includes MOST of the people in your own stupid party."

Well, being that I did not write that piece, I would assume that at leadt one other person believed.

"Jesus Christ, please have mercy on the STUPID."

He does, that is why he still suffers you to live.

People, people, people.

We were so dumb, when the bad guy switch went from Bin Ladden to Saddam...

We are killing our brothers and sisters...This has to stop!

They killed us, you say? A very few planned the 9/11 attack, but our Gov knew it was coming and didn´t stop it...so, who´s fault is it? Our Gov owed it to us to protect us, and they didn´t.

Please wake up, people! Stop this insane kiling. It´s only going to lead to more and more terrorism.

Is someone did to us like we did to Iraq, we would be the insurgents. What would you think then?

Stuart Smalley rant?

Oh my God. Oh, right, Al Franken! I get it! HA!

Okay, you got me!

This is Hillary Clinton. It´s really me. I´m in disguise here to tell you something, Shiatsu.

The message is:









YOU´RE STILL WRONG!


Keep trying though. Never give up.