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FACT: Kundalini, Reiki is a Demon! Don't Be Deceived!

 
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Public letter to Mr. Deepak Chopra.





Sweden 26 September 2002



Dear Mr. Chopra!

My name is Marja S and I am the owner of the web site Kundalini Network & Information in Sweden where I offer information about the dangers of artificial spiritual exercises.

I have read your answer in "Meditation and Kundalini" to people who are worried about the dangers of meditation on your message board, because I have received mails from people who themselves have read your answer and who are kundalini damaged by meditation.

I have received over three hundred mails from people around the world who have been kundalini damaged by erroneous meditation, especially transcendental meditation and chakra meditation, yoga, rebirthing, pranayama, holotropic breathing etc.

I have myself had bad experiences of rebirthing and you can read my story here.

I can't say that I am surprised by your answer, because I have been reading, fulltime, eastern philosophy about spiritual exercises and kundalini since my visit to India in 1993, and I know very well your and other eastern gurus' opinion in this matter.

But I have a wish that you and the other gurus and teachers would take some responsibility in what you are teaching people. Those who have been damaged by these dangerous artificial exercises have no one to turn to when they have been struck by the tremendous kundalini energy. When they have gone psychotic or physically ill, the gurus turn their back on them and say that it is this person's karma. For me it is a very uncharitable attitude. It is my definite opinion that it is the dangerous artificial exercises that causes the psychosis and the mental and bodily illnesses.

During my ten years of fulltime kundalini research I have found that there were two paths to enlightenment, according to the Tibetans.

One was a peaceful life in the monastery where one obeyed moral commands and monastery rules, i.e. behaving impeccably, doing good deeds, disregarding material interests and striving for peace of mind. In this way one could eventually reach salvation.

The other path was called the "direct way" and was a purely intellectual method, which freed the one who followed it from all kinds of laws. One could reach this freedom through artificial spiritual exercises, like breathing-exercises, yoga and meditation. But that path was considered to be highly dangerous. It was like, instead of following the path which slowly winds its way up towards the top of the mountain, trying to climb vertically up the cliffs and cross abysses with help only of a thin rope. Even the best suited for it could be hit by a sudden attack of dizziness and fall like a presumptuous alpinist and break his back. By this the Tibetans mean a terrible spiritual fall which leads to the worst kind of perversities and the greatest confusion. One landed in the end on a "demonic" level. Instead of reaching "the total liberation" they became mad. They had knocked on doors, which they should not have done.



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Chopra's reply and her 2nd letter to him is at the link.
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Public letter to Mr. Deepak Chopra.





Sweden 26 September 2002



Dear Mr. Chopra!

My name is Marja S and I am the owner of the web site Kundalini Network & Information in Sweden where I offer information about the dangers of artificial spiritual exercises.

I have read your answer in "Meditation and Kundalini" to people who are worried about the dangers of meditation on your message board, because I have received mails from people who themselves have read your answer and who are kundalini damaged by meditation.

I have received over three hundred mails from people around the world who have been kundalini damaged by erroneous meditation, especially transcendental meditation and chakra meditation, yoga, rebirthing, pranayama, holotropic breathing etc.

I have myself had bad experiences of rebirthing and you can read my story here.

I can't say that I am surprised by your answer, because I have been reading, fulltime, eastern philosophy about spiritual exercises and kundalini since my visit to India in 1993, and I know very well your and other eastern gurus' opinion in this matter.

But I have a wish that you and the other gurus and teachers would take some responsibility in what you are teaching people. Those who have been damaged by these dangerous artificial exercises have no one to turn to when they have been struck by the tremendous kundalini energy. When they have gone psychotic or physically ill, the gurus turn their back on them and say that it is this person's karma. For me it is a very uncharitable attitude. It is my definite opinion that it is the dangerous artificial exercises that causes the psychosis and the mental and bodily illnesses.

During my ten years of fulltime kundalini research I have found that there were two paths to enlightenment, according to the Tibetans.

One was a peaceful life in the monastery where one obeyed moral commands and monastery rules, i.e. behaving impeccably, doing good deeds, disregarding material interests and striving for peace of mind. In this way one could eventually reach salvation.

The other path was called the "direct way" and was a purely intellectual method, which freed the one who followed it from all kinds of laws. One could reach this freedom through artificial spiritual exercises, like breathing-exercises, yoga and meditation. But that path was considered to be highly dangerous. It was like, instead of following the path which slowly winds its way up towards the top of the mountain, trying to climb vertically up the cliffs and cross abysses with help only of a thin rope. Even the best suited for it could be hit by a sudden attack of dizziness and fall like a presumptuous alpinist and break his back. By this the Tibetans mean a terrible spiritual fall which leads to the worst kind of perversities and the greatest confusion. One landed in the end on a "demonic" level. Instead of reaching "the total liberation" they became mad. They had knocked on doors, which they should not have done.



[link to kundalini.se]


Chopra's reply and her 2nd letter to him is at the link.
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I'm very happy that I read this !
Thank you for that !
That is by far the best answer from the "kundalini team" that I read on this thread !

Last Edited by Brussel Sprouts are bitter on 05/01/2012 02:30 PM
I have flaws, I was just as surprised as you when I found out!

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Lisa - How do you really know who it is you are hearing?

Are the words audible or do the thoughts just pop into your head?

If they are just thoughts how do you distinguish your thoughts from these other ones?

People in the following passages claim to have seen/heard GOD.

Genesis 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Genesis 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

Exodus 6:2-3 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:

And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.


And in other verses Exodus 24:9-11, and Numbers 12:6-8, and
Acts 7:2.

YET GOD allegedly said

Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

AND JESUS allegedly said

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

AND

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

AND

John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

AND Paul wrote

1 Timothy 6:15-16 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.


So either the people who claim to have seen or heard GOD are lying OR Jesus is wrong.

I don't know if GOD speaks through you or not... BUT the Bible quotes people as having seen and heard him and yet Jesus in 1:18 totally contradicts these people seeing him, and John 5:37 seems to deny both seeing and hearing.

How might this apply to you and what you are saying?
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Lisa not sure if you missed my post from earlier but I couldn't find a reply.

Any chance of answering this?

Thanks in advance.
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Lisa - How do you really know who it is you are hearing?

Are the words audible or do the thoughts just pop into your head?

If they are just thoughts how do you distinguish your thoughts from these other ones?

People in the following passages claim to have seen/heard GOD.

Genesis 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Genesis 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

Exodus 6:2-3 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:

And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.


And in other verses Exodus 24:9-11, and Numbers 12:6-8, and
Acts 7:2.

YET GOD allegedly said

Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

AND JESUS allegedly said

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

AND

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

AND

John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

AND Paul wrote

1 Timothy 6:15-16 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.


So either the people who claim to have seen or heard GOD are lying OR Jesus is wrong.

I don't know if GOD speaks through you or not... BUT the Bible quotes people as having seen and heard him and yet Jesus in 1:18 totally contradicts these people seeing him, and John 5:37 seems to deny both seeing and hearing.

How might this apply to you and what you are saying?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661


Lisa not sure if you missed my post from earlier but I couldn't find a reply.

Any chance of answering this?

Thanks in advance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661


I dont think Lisa responds to arguments so your chance of feedback is very small. I dont blame her, doesnt seem worth the time or the onslaught of persecutions from those guilty of many acts of turpitude.

Your questions are good ones. We really dont know if Christ meant, all of us ever born on earth, or those exact men whom he was speaking.

It is explained in other text, even the book of enoch the essence of god.. God is a form of energy, light, a higher living source of energy consciousness.

You would die if you saw god in your current form, but god being energy can show himself in any form, just as lucifer can appear to you in any form. Why would god not be able to do the same?

If god wants to appear to Moses as a burning bush, I doubt he would have much trouble since he formed the whole universe and all it encompasses. Who are we to question the totality of god?

God does speak to you through your thoughts, through others people thoughts, actions and through your heart.

Send all information through your heart for that is where the SEEDS of gods word is placed and it is up to you to make those seeds grow and bloom.

You have all the answers inside you, it is up to you to seek the knowledge it takes to learn the whole truth about god, his children, Lucifer, his children and the universe we exist within.. Ask God to guide you, he is awaiting your call, And he will speak to you as well.

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Lisa - How do you really know who it is you are hearing?

Are the words audible or do the thoughts just pop into your head?

If they are just thoughts how do you distinguish your thoughts from these other ones?

People in the following passages claim to have seen/heard GOD.

Genesis 17:1 And when Abram was ninety years old and nine, the LORD appeared to Abram, and said unto him, I am the Almighty God; walk before me, and be thou perfect.

Genesis 18:1 And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day;

Exodus 6:2-3 And God spake unto Moses, and said unto him, I am the LORD:

And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.


And in other verses Exodus 24:9-11, and Numbers 12:6-8, and
Acts 7:2.

YET GOD allegedly said

Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

AND JESUS allegedly said

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

AND

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

AND

John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

AND Paul wrote

1 Timothy 6:15-16 Which in his times he shall shew, who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords;

Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.


So either the people who claim to have seen or heard GOD are lying OR Jesus is wrong.

I don't know if GOD speaks through you or not... BUT the Bible quotes people as having seen and heard him and yet Jesus in 1:18 totally contradicts these people seeing him, and John 5:37 seems to deny both seeing and hearing.

How might this apply to you and what you are saying?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661


Lisa not sure if you missed my post from earlier but I couldn't find a reply.

Any chance of answering this?

Thanks in advance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1190661


I dont think Lisa responds to arguments so your chance of feedback is very small. I dont blame her, doesnt seem worth the time or the onslaught of persecutions from those guilty of many acts of turpitude.

Your questions are good ones. We really dont know if Christ meant, all of us ever born on earth, or those exact men whom he was speaking.

It is explained in other text, even the book of enoch the essence of god.. God is a form of energy, light, a higher living source of energy consciousness.

You would die if you saw god in your current form, but god being energy can show himself in any form, just as lucifer can appear to you in any form. Why would god not be able to do the same?

If god wants to appear to Moses as a burning bush, I doubt he would have much trouble since he formed the whole universe and all it encompasses. Who are we to question the totality of god?

God does speak to you through your thoughts, through others people thoughts, actions and through your heart.

Send all information through your heart for that is where the SEEDS of gods word is placed and it is up to you to make those seeds grow and bloom.

You have all the answers inside you, it is up to you to seek the knowledge it takes to learn the whole truth about god, his children, Lucifer, his children and the universe we exist within.. Ask God to guide you, he is awaiting your call, And he will speak to you as well.
 Quoting: Merci


Not sure I am actually arguing BUT I am questioning her based on what the Bible says and what Jesus teaches.

I think many here have a You Tube based Christianity. They find a video and with their limited knowledge of scripture, in their own heads at least, believe it to be true.

When you ask "who are we to question the totality of GOD" I think you miss the point.

GOD gave us an enquiring mind... Surely then he/she/it wants us to use it fully.

When you read the laws of Moses you have to ask yourself "Would my GOD create laws that allow stoning, murder, ethnic cleansing and slavery?"

If you answer YES then I'm afraid you can't be using your GOD given intelligence.

If you seriously doubt it you are using your intellect.

Sorry out of time... I'll write more later...
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Lithuania was the last country in the Europe turned from pegan to chritianity. They ofered poor ppl clothes if they join in christianity. Before that was so many blood in name of what? GOD. And now we must celebrate chritians holidays, who murdered our ancestors or politically manipulated dumb ppl


I used to have some Lithuanian friends. Pretty cool people. They told me about that, how christianity is relatively new there, and they remained pagan for a long time. So sad they couldn't keep holding on to the old ways.


Clothes were needed to recognize who was Christian, and who still was not.
We actually did keep it and you may be surprised on many more instances.
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"FACT"

lol.

Sheesh.
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Would really be better worded as "Belief:" Wouldn't it?
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Her belief, yes.


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The New Man can take over...


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Come back Lisa*Lisa. We're dealing with a brainwashed generation.



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Lithuania was the last country in the Europe turned from pegan to chritianity. They ofered poor ppl clothes if they join in christianity. Before that was so many blood in name of what? GOD. And now we must celebrate chritians holidays, who murdered our ancestors or politically manipulated dumb ppl

I used to have some Lithuanian friends. Pretty cool people. They told me about that, how christianity is relatively new there, and they remained pagan for a long time. So sad they couldn't keep holding on to the old ways.
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Clothes were needed to recognize who was Christian, and who still was not.
We actually did keep it and you may be surprised on many more instances.
chuckle

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It should not be confused with new age, feminism, or other stuff, as it has as much relevance as none.
It predates these by at least 6000 years or more, and a bit shocking thing about it, it is monotheistic (according to V.N.Toporov) and has a trinity of gods (S.Grunau 1529), or sons of God. chuckle
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Lithuania was the last country in the Europe turned from pegan to chritianity. They ofered poor ppl clothes if they join in christianity. Before that was so many blood in name of what? GOD. And now we must celebrate chritians holidays, who murdered our ancestors or politically manipulated dumb ppl
 Quoting: EMPerror


I used to have some Lithuanian friends. Pretty cool people. They told me about that, how christianity is relatively new there, and they remained pagan for a long time. So sad they couldn't keep holding on to the old ways.


Clothes were needed to recognize who was Christian, and who still was not.
We actually did keep it and you may be surprised on many more instances.
chuckle

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[link to www.romuva.lt]


Thanks for that.
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So many of you have fallen under this deception, just look at the comments. I expected to be fully attacked and mocked, but I will continue to speak out against demonic teachings as long as the Lord leads me to.

Please people, atleast think about this. Pray to your father in heaven and ask Him about this. There is a battle for your soul going on right now!

Seek the truth, before it's too late.
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You are exactly right Lisa!
Here is a must-watch video!



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Wow, awesome post!!!!!!!!

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Are you for real?

Seriously?


I put it to you that you're one of many Western people born into a religion and indoctrinated from birth, who has the crazy notion that anything not endorsed by aforesaid religion is to be feared, slandered, and attacked.

You look for demons everywhere and you find them because everything not approved by your elders IS demonic to you.

"seek and ye shall find"...

If you where one of the 1,170,938,000 people born in India you might have a very different mindset and idea of Kundalini, etc.
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Yes, it was an awesome post, whether others attack the poster or not. In fact, the attacks are strong evidence for the importance of the post.
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Wow, awesome post!!!!!!!!

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Are you for real?

Seriously?


I put it to you that you're one of many Western people born into a religion and indoctrinated from birth, who has the crazy notion that anything not endorsed by aforesaid religion is to be feared, slandered, and attacked.

You look for demons everywhere and you find them because everything not approved by your elders IS demonic to you.

"seek and ye shall find"...

If you where one of the 1,170,938,000 people born in India you might have a very different mindset and idea of Kundalini, etc.
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Yes, it was an awesome post, whether others attack the poster or not. In fact, the attacks are strong evidence for the importance of the post.
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Reply:
I am a person who realizes the need to address the issue of demons in the world. I practice messianism (Jesus Christ with the Jewish tradition). My Jeshuah Hamashiach, is the word made live in this world for the world to see and believe only. The fact that we can actually believe we can Heal ourselves is pure non-sense. The body does have a fountain of energy imparted by the Holy Spirit of God not the earth or anywhere else. Though it can be through such objects and this is the misleading nature of energy. The fools will always believe there own lies as the scripture say.
I am specialized in demon removal in the name and glory of God only through his Savior Christ Jesus. I have seen, rebuked, and use there term as cleansed the home or blessed. The fact that Prayer is the key and only power for us to use makes the task at hand for the faithful only.
Yes, there is what I call low energy or demons who plague us and do possess people, hang around, in objects, and in animals. The Glory be to my God and Savior (Christ Jesus) who grants us the ability to do the work. Reiki is not the healing force, and I always say all good comes from God above. So let us be careful not to be a blasphemer. Let the chaff and the wheat grow together and they will be separated at the end.
Reiki has energy and forces it works with, do not mistaken it as hearsay, it does have demons at its disposition and uses faith as the route of its forces.
Remember what makes something not God like is not the results, but the means obtained. If you obtain by dark ways it is not of God, even if the tools are the same Christians
use. I believe and proved to myself all forces in the universe submit to God Above, therefore do not take the long route to Go to God, or a human for Reiki. Salvation is individual, but not independent. You must use God not man and this is final! All will see at the end who is who.
lazaro Michael Gonzalez, Rev.D.D.
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You fear what you do not understand...

Do not fear, as that leads you away from Christ, into the Darkness.

Seek the light, that which heals, loves, and creates. Do not live in a state of fear. Embolden yourself with the light, with the love of Christ, and do not Judge, but seek to understand, to evolve beyond the limitations of mortal man and woman. You are not from here, but of the Father/Mother Creator which is everlasting, eternal, and omniscient. There is nothing to fear if you truly know this, and live within this state of consciousness. Love your brothers and sisters, all humanity, and do not judge, but allow the light to guide your way. It is all about love....

And it shall soon find its place in the Cosmos. Do not fear.

Love
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I get what you're saying OP, but Demons/Angels, Hell/Heaven, Satan/God, Black/White, Satanism/Christianity, etc. ARE ALL OPPOSITES SIDE OF THE SAME COIN! They only exist within the realm of duality.

Outside of this realm we're in on Earth none of these things exist, as they can only exist within duality, and can only exist if both exist.

It is my opinion you're still being deceived in the name of Jesus/God.
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Be that as it may, the fact that our leaders are Luciferians and their ritual practices require torture and mass killing. The major three religions engage in these rituals, preach to the masses to justify these rituals, and vote people in to perform such rituals. So my thinking is that if some rituals aspire to spiritually develop without the torture and killing, why would you state the demonity of these practices while supporting one that does?
Untroubled, Scornful, Outrageous-That is how Wisdom wants us to be!
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I'm not an avid believer in Kundalini, but apparently it can be done wrong, and opened up while unprepared, which seems to lead to a vast number of symptoms:

"fear[24]
anxiety[24]
depersonalization[20]
intense positive or negative emotions[20]
spontaneous slowing or speeding of thoughts[20]
spontaneous trance states[24]
experiencing oneself as larger than the physical body[20]
experiences of paranormal consciousness[23]"

Maybe the people in the video who tried it did it wrong? scratching
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Your right these are the symptoms.

Ive had all of these and more.

Only asking forgiveness to Jesus and asking him to come in my heart completely cured my kundalini issues.
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These 'symptoms' listed above are a result of forcing the SACRED FIRE through a human vessel.

The SACRED FIRE is, in fact, the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit, Kundalini, Chi, Ki, Prana. All the same.

It was the burning bush to Moses, the sacred fire to Zoroaster, and the dove to Jesus.

Jesus said, "I have cast fire upon the world, and see, I am guarding it until it blazes." - Gospel of Thomas

I'll let the following speak for itself.

[link to www.jesus-is-savior.com]

"So often in the Bible the Holy Spirit is associated with fire. This was so concerning John the Baptist. Luke 3:16, "John answered, saying unto them all, I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I cometh, the latchet of Whose shoes I am not worthy to unloose: He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and with fire." The Holy Spirit was likened unto fire at Pentecost. Acts 2:3, "And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them." The cleansing power of the Holy Spirit was symbolized by fire in Isaiah 6:6,7, "Then flew one of the seraphims unto me, having a live coal in his hand, which he had taken with the tongs from off the altar: and he laid it upon my mouth, and said, Lo, this hath touched thy lips; and thine iniquity is taken away, and thy sin purged." We find that His ministers are made a flame of fire. Hebrews 1:7, "And the angels He saith, Who maketh His angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire." The Word of God was as fire in the bones of Jeremiah. Jeremiah 20:99, "Then I said, I will not make mention of Him, nor speak any more of His name. But His Word was in mine heart as a burning fire shut up in my bones, and I was weary with forebearing, and I could not stay." David said that while he was musing, the fire burned. Psalm 39:3, "My heart was hot within me, while I was musing the fire burned: then spake I with my tongue."Obviously then, the Holy Spirit appears by fire."

With that said, let's look at the orb of light circling Christ's Head in 'The Transfiguration of Christ' (circa 12th century, see link below) showing the Light Body of full Consciousness; His EYE (pineal gland) being single and therefore His Body filled with Light. Note the rays of light emanating from Moses and Elijah's 3rd eyes as well ... here we have Christ, standing in front of the DOORWAY / VESICA PISCES... the intersection. The Cross. The Bridegroom:)

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Wow, I guess dragons really do lead fools around in circles.

Can anyone here claim that "God" doesn't actually control man... through the presence of demons?

Think about it. Does anyone do good because of a lack of demonic presence? Or is it... the demons themselves that spur you to do good? In one form or another: yoga practitioners realize this.

Even the so-called Christians here have missed Christ's true intent... it is the same bloody thing as what Eastern gurus preach. The ultimate message is love for all life, in realizing that "God" is only ever seen by madmen; that God "itself" is what true believers do not see. "God" permeates all life, and is the true force of evolution; and thus all life is worthy of being saved by the light.

Never follow the words of just one man. Christ knew this as well as anyone in history. It is the liars that tell you that Christ knew he was the Son of God: Christ knew that everyone was a child of God. Put yourself in his shoes: if it was so bloody important that we "follow him" as the Christians say, why would he or his followers allow his crucifixion? Christ didn't need to prove he was the "Son of God"; he needed to prove that true believers never follow the words of one man alone; the Jews rightfully accused Christ of beginning to betray true divinity; that his tongue was too powerful, too easy for the unthinking ones to accept. Christ decided that he needed to prove that nobody really needed him if they accept his teachings; that God's light was in all. If resurrection really happened, it was because the loss of this man, Jesus Christ, was such a a tragedy to his disciples that God needed to prove that no-one ever really dies if his ideas were righteous, and that God's word can be followed by all, and one day perhaps even lead to a kind of divine salvation.

In rejecting Kundalini, one has rejected Christ. In accepting Kundalini, one has accepted the teachings of Christ as God's true word. Christ would never tell people to force dormant the only true path to enlightenment, which is free inquiry, self-inspection, and the eventual realization that I Am Him; I Am God. I Am, I Am.

Christ was far too wise, far too weathered to believe that if you somehow "eradicate" demons that they will not spontaneously re-emerge. After all, and once again, if there were no demons, how could any of us know what is actually good and true, let alone act upon it. Blasphemers see evidence that Kundalini awakening can fail, and so call it evil and witchcraft. It fails because true belief is so rare in our society, and false belief is rampant. Kundalini is the energy of God in it's most derived, manifested state.

Christians, look at the world around you and ask yourselves; is this how Christ would have wanted it? Would Christ say that the force of evolution should be stopped at this time, in this society, with this technology, with the science of mankind? How many homeless people, miserable people, lonely people have you seen today? Do you stare out from the eyes of one? Do you wish there was no misery, or even just for less? Well guess what, OP was right on some points: Kundalini is the king of demons. Kundalini knows how demons can be out-competed. By successfully awakening Kundalini, by seeing into the very mind of the beast and knowing it, one is given the tools to know right from wrong, and thus tools for acting against it, should the human soul in the driver's seat choose to.

After all... what were Adam and Eve supposed to do for eternity in the Garden? Hmm... two naked humans, a man and a woman, with the same consciousness as their animal kin, and enough food so they never have to hunt or forage... how many options can you think of? Indeed, how long would humanity have even lasted? Would we not have inbred to the point of non-recognition?

And so, the myth of Genesis plays out: sensing the problem, GOD reveals Himself in human form, and knowing that GOD manifested can convey no useful knowledge, He came up with a sneaky little ploy. First, He reveals to humanity the existence of a "Tree of Knowledge"; he must set it apart however, so that Adam and Eve are aware of it's power. They don't know anything at this point though; why would "Knowledge" be appealing to naked apes in a magical garden? So, instead appealing to their animal instincts, knowing the Force of Evolution lurks in all life, He instead simply noted: "Eat this forbidden fruit, and you will surely die."

Then He sent the serpent, Kundalini. He knew that Adam is the spirit of man, and Eve of woman; Adam might have tried to simply kill the venomous creature to impress Eve and try to help her feel safe; so GOD asked it to speak to Eve alone. Kundalini said that the fruit would not kill the humans, that GOD bluffs; that to truly know, humans must experience; was Kundalini wrong about this? Did Adam and Eve die that day? Well, in all honesty... probably. One’s externalized ego must die if one is to truly be reborn. And so GOD, shortly before collapsing back into the ether, casts the proto-humans out of the magical Garden, and leaves behind a deadly guardian so mankind may never enter the Garden again; we, mankind, can do better than shame-ridden, animalistic sex; which is all we’d truly enjoy without knowledge of good and evil. Mankind can do so much better.

Genesis comes to a close. GOD grants mankind a power as he casts Adam and Eve aside: the spirit of the serpent itself, from which an unmistakably divine energy flows, so that mankind will always remember the true voice of God and the divine servants, even though scriptures can be misinterpreted. That is the true lesson of the religions of Abraham; knowing that only in darkness, through observing and controlling demons that mimic a GOD, can the light of the divine be truly understood.

God and Satan (Shiva and Shakti; Mankind and Kundalini) shall not be denied. The true path is to allow the coalescence and epitome of the demon itself to throw everything it's got at the human spirit, and to encourage it like a matador does to a bull: for the human spirit shall prevail if it is righteous. No one should ever fear Kundalini, for that is how it claims victory over the soul. How you manage to outwit and control Kundalini, is all the divine judgement you will ever receive from God; the guardian at the gates of Heaven, waiting to let anyone who truly wants to go in, inside. If you think Kundalini is an evil demon, then for Christ's sakes do more than just try and aggravate it from afar; slandering the Force of Evolution by writing drivel on the Internet, mankind’s current ultimate realm of the manifestation of divine energy; how existentially foolish can one be? OP doesn't know Kundalini: OP allows it to manhandle his/her ego like a gleeful puppetmaster; one's ego betrays one's motivations for all to see.

Kriya Yoga is about denying Kundalini this ability to control us. Denying it by allowing it to feel as though it is manifested and validated, and pour the fires of it's unquenchable rage into one's own soul, knowing that one can withstand it because one tries to do good, and one knows they are capable of good. You mention that yoga is people making “satanic positions” and symbols; what a shame that a human soul could believe this about their kin. Indeed, Kriya doesn't say Kundalini itself is "good" or "evil"; I personally think it (Kundalini) is probably as close as we could get to Satan himself. But a good person that knows the language of God can take even a hell fire and rend it into God's light. A good person knows that true evil, like God, never takes a physical form; it can only be manifested in us and in other living things.

To all that have consciously rejected Kundalini, and think they have succeeded: good luck getting yourself out of the web of reality your have forced yourself into. God tried to free you: he tried to let you understand that you knew enough to harness the devil that lurks in all of us, yet still use it's power for good. But you rejected God by allowing Satan himself to grab a hold of you by your ego-based fears and prejudices. God said: "Here you are: a magical symbology to ensure you will never again be outwitted by my demons." You threw it aside and for what: to boost your ego? To add to the perceived impact of you on reality? Do you, deep down, believe your soul is not pure? That you would conduit and manifest the Devil and not God if exposed to the uniting light?

Or perhaps light of God just wasn't good enough for you.
"A uniting light of consciousness? Screw that; there's still people I can control with my fabulous ego. If I'm united with God's light, I'll feel compassion; and it's so hard to control things I am compassionate for. Besides, the idea that there is no physical God-man is annoying, cause then people won't think I alone am the God-man."

So if the "Christians" here oppose the idea that humans can control the demon, and thus the light of God, then what exactly does that make them? Careful who's side you're on: I don't know what waits for us in afterlife, but I can say this for sure: a broken ontology that actually blasphemes against the teachings of it's founder won't serve anyone well at all, and they certainly won’t be impressed. You need to learn to open your mind. God will always be waiting for you to do so; that is God’s true love. FACT.
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1 “At that time the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. 2 Five of the virgins were foolish, and five were wise. 3 When the foolish ones took their lamps, they did not take extra olive oil with them. 4 But the wise ones took flasks of olive oil with their lamps. 5 When the bridegroom was delayed a long time, they all became drowsy and fell asleep. 6 But at midnight there was a shout, ‘Look, the bridegroom is here! Come out to meet him.’ 7 Then all the virgins woke up and trimmed their lamps. 8 The foolish ones said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, because our lamps are going out.’ 9 ‘No,’ they replied. ‘There won’t be enough for you and for us. Go instead to those who sell oil and buy some for yourselves.’ 10 But while they had gone to buy it, the bridegroom arrived, and those who were ready went inside with him to the wedding banquet. Then the door was shut. 11 Later, the other virgins came too, saying, ‘Lord, lord! Let us in!’ 12 But he replied, ‘I tell you the truth, I do not know you!’ 13 Therefore stay alert, because you do not know the day or the hour”
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Are you for real?

Seriously?


I put it to you that you're one of many Western people born into a religion and indoctrinated from birth, who has the crazy notion that anything not endorsed by aforesaid religion is to be feared, slandered, and attacked.

You look for demons everywhere and you find them because everything not approved by your elders IS demonic to you.

"seek and ye shall find"...

If you where one of the 1,170,938,000 people born in India you might have a very different mindset and idea of Kundalini, etc.
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Yes, it was an awesome post, whether others attack the poster or not. In fact, the attacks are strong evidence for the importance of the post.
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I am a person who realizes the need to address the issue of demons in the world. I practice messianism (Jesus Christ with the Jewish tradition). My Jeshuah Hamashiach, is the word made live in this world for the world to see and believe only. The fact that we can actually believe we can Heal ourselves is pure non-sense. The body does have a fountain of energy imparted by the Holy Spirit of God not the earth or anywhere else. Though it can be through such objects and this is the misleading nature of energy. The fools will always believe there own lies as the scripture say.
I am specialized in demon removal in the name and glory of God only through his Savior Christ Jesus. I have seen, rebuked, and use there term as cleansed the home or blessed. The fact that Prayer is the key and only power for us to use makes the task at hand for the faithful only.
Yes, there is what I call low energy or demons who plague us and do possess people, hang around, in objects, and in animals. The Glory be to my God and Savior (Christ Jesus) who grants us the ability to do the work. Reiki is not the healing force, and I always say all good comes from God above. So let us be careful not to be a blasphemer. Let the chaff and the wheat grow together and they will be separated at the end.
Reiki has energy and forces it works with, do not mistaken it as hearsay, it does have demons at its disposition and uses faith as the route of its forces.
Remember what makes something not God like is not the results, but the means obtained. If you obtain by dark ways it is not of God, even if the tools are the same Christians
use. I believe and proved to myself all forces in the universe submit to God Above, therefore do not take the long route to Go to God, or a human for Reiki. Salvation is individual, but not independent. You must use God not man and this is final! All will see at the end who is who.
lazaro Michael Gonzalez, Rev.D.D.
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The problem with anything that goes into the spiritual world is they are trapped in the serpent matrix without finding Christ. Period. There is no other way out. The shock to the system puts you in the crossroads. Do you continue to believe the lies of false religions or do you continue to seek truth? If you are a candidate for the lies of this realm, then you might live in kundalini, but if you probe deeper without testing the spirits you can die. You think I am kidding, then why do people who make a pact with the devil as Robert Johnson did and Eric Clapton sings about go to a crossroads and let their blood over a lesser lifeform in death like chicken bones?

Christ was at Caesar Philippi for a reason. Peter found who he was in spirit. This is the same place where satan will come crashing to earth as lucifer in a bolt of lightning. The whole process that brought us the world today through pan/baal/baphomet worship through the lost tribe of Dan originates there. It is the concept to bring his demon child through woman with this process. The lie from hell was that this corrupted spirit of the beast covered the first five days of creation. Thus you have the imperfect inverted pentagram. And.. as a result the nature of the beast would be put into man and eternally corrupt the 6th day of creation thus putting the finishing touches on the destruction of the one, true God's Kingdom. satan's plan is falling apart. The truth is coming out, and all of the fallen angels on this world are losing their powers as the lies are uncovered. The awakening process is starting. There will be a separation of the wheat from the chaff.

Read this. It takes on new meaning From bible.cc Matthew 3:11 John the Baptist says: I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

You are baptized with water because the world was once destroyed by water, and this is your sealing of Heaven's ways and not the loss of hell there. The baptism by the Holy Spirit and fire is the next process given by our Lord and Savior because the next destruction of the world is by fire. The only way out of this fire is through Christ. The eternally damned are stuck in this fire.

We are ask to repent because as Christians we cannot take this nature of the beast as symbolized on the unholy pentagram.
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Here's a few things I posted in another thread that talks about the fire (hearts burning) and the lies of the fig tree because of the false fruit. I have found from meditating on the following passage over the years. Jeremiah 33:3Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.
It has been posted before but can help in these times.
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1 Peter 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

Matthew 3:11, John the Baptist said: “I indeed baptize you in water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you in the Holy Spirit and in fire.

THIS ONE ABOVE AND THE ONE BELOW ARE REALLY COOL VERSES. PRAY FOR THIS TO HAPPEN TO YOU AND THANK GOD FOR IT THROUGH HIS SON IN ADVANCE. WATCH WHAT HAPPENS. IN OTHER WORDS, PRAY FOR YOUR HEARTS TO BURN AND HAVE JESUS OPEN UP THE SCRIPTURES FOR YOU AND PRAY TO BE BAPTIZED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT AND FIRE. WOOHOO!!!!
The word repentance is to understand that we are of the Kingdom of God. Instead of the seed being unholy from the foundation of the earth, it is being purified through repentance. The word is a key. The dark ones use the imperfect pentagram (hence we have repentance) with the head of baphomet (the beast) in it. They want to push this into man and this comes from the core of the earth in dark concept. Christ gets rid of that and read where the book of life names are from the foundation of this earth as told in Revelation. It is time to receive those names.

Luke 24:32And they said to one another, “Did not our heart burn within us while He talked with us on the road, and while He opened the Scriptures to us?”

Acts 2:1When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tonguesa as the Spirit enabled them.

Judges 9:11 I repeat 9/11!!! KJV bible.cc
"But the fig tree said unto them, Should I forsake my sweetness, and my good fruit, and go to be promoted over the trees?"
A fig tree "speaking" in a quandry (temptation as to whether it should foresake its sweet fruit to hold sway over other trees.) Interesting.

Now go to Matthew 21The Fig Tree Withers

18Early in the morning, as he was on his way back to the city, he was hungry. 19Seeing a fig tree by the road, he went up to it but found nothing on it except leaves. Then he said to it, “May you never bear fruit again!” Immediately the tree withered.

20When the disciples saw this, they were amazed. “How did the fig tree wither so quickly?” they asked.

21Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done. 22If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.”

Basically Jesus is telling you to foresake the false fruit of the tree of knowledge. It would not grow for a perfect man. Revelation 6:13And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. Revelation 12:4And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to be delivered, to devour her child as soon as it was born.
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Quote: I believe and proved to myself all forces in the universe submit to God Above, therefore do not take the long route to Go to God, or a human for Reiki. Salvation is individual, but not independent. You must use God not man and this is final! All will see at the end who is who.
lazaro Michael Gonzalez, Rev.D.D.

It is time for our people (the Christians) to wake up and know that fallen third is here and awake plotting for your destruction. It is time to gain spiritual discernment. Ask to touch and know your name in the Book of Life. When you look at someone, look in to their eyes and ask them mentally if they serve the Lord Jesus Christ who came in this flesh, died for our sins, and our eternal life is through him. Watch what happens. Some weird things will be said sometimes back to you in mind from their serpent matrix. The eyes are the windows to the soul as Jesus Christ said.
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Quote: I believe and proved to myself all forces in the universe submit to God Above, therefore do not take the long route to Go to God, or a human for Reiki. Salvation is individual, but not independent. You must use God not man and this is final! All will see at the end who is who.
lazaro Michael Gonzalez, Rev.D.D.

It is time for our people (the Christians) to wake up and know that fallen third is here and awake plotting for your destruction. It is time to gain spiritual discernment. Ask to touch and know your name in the Book of Life. When you look at someone, look in to their eyes and ask them mentally if they serve the Lord Jesus Christ who came in this flesh, died for our sins, and our eternal life is through him. Watch what happens. Some weird things will be said sometimes back to you in mind from their serpent matrix. The eyes are the windows to the soul as Jesus Christ said.
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I am glad your eyes are opened. This entire country is the spiritual battle brought to earth in reverse concerning the mystery babylon as the destruction returns to the seed of Israel at the battle of Armageddon. The good guys win. The Kingdom has come and it is cast into the land as fulfillment of the Lord's Prayer. It starts in mustard seed concept when Jesus went into the earth at death on the cross and cleansed the earth as Son of Man at its core. This is where he starts when he says I go to prepare a place for you. The core is the start of the process and it continues on through to the sixth day of creation in three spiritual days of work.. Didn't Peter say a day with the Lord is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day? The days are shortening as the three thousand years of time from his birth to the end of his earthly reign starting at the seventh trumpet are compressed to the three days of the spiritual. The coming of the Son of Man is the the restoration of man in this sixth day of creation. The corrupted beast tries to cover the first five days of creation in corrupted concept and give rise to the beast in man and complete the process of destruction. Christ wins. When he ask you to repent it means to find the cleansing instead of the unholy beast pentagram.

There are so many names cast into the land of the US from being the spiritual graft of Israel. It is mindblowing.

The key to this mystery lies on the 33rd parallel. It is where the fallen angels were cast out of Heaven and attempt to run this world with lies. The awakening process is happening. There is nothing they can do to stop it nor God's Kingdom. It says in Revelation that the dragon's tail swept one third of the stars to earth and now you know what they are.

Christ is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. He said the first shall be last and the last shall be first. In other words, the beginning meets the end and the alpha and omega are of one accord as we are made anew in rebirth in water and spirit.
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Op.. Simply put, you are an odor who needs to be told what to do and how to think to feel okay. I don't, so leve us alone and don't force your hocus pics Christianity on me. Jesus would love you but he would also tell you what a fool you are.
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She isn't forcing anything on you.YOU are the one that clicked her thread..."YOU" are the one that read her thread...and "YOU" took the time to reply to her thread...so who is the "odor" and the "fool?" and ...for YOUR INFORMATION....GOD SAYS YOU ARE IN DANGER OF HELL FIRE WHEN YOU CALL SOMEONE A FOOL.
ONE WOULD THINK...if someone really didn't want to READ someone's post...they wouldn't click on it. so "YOU" aren't fooling anybody!!
EVERY PERSON who has been on GLP longer than a week, KNOWS who "lisa lisa" is...knows WHAT AND WHO she stands for, and knows EXACTLY what she posts.
so, QUITE OBVIOUSLY...YOU ARE THE ODOR THAT "DOES" NEED TO BE TOLD WHAT TO DO!!!
OH, AND P.S. JESUS "DOES" LOVE HER WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY SHE HAS BEEN BLESSED WITH A "WISDOM'...A SPIRITUAL WISDOM YOU WILL NEVER KNOW,BECAUSE YOU HAVE REJECTED THE "ONLY" ONE WHO CAN SAVE YOUR SOUL AND GIVE YOU "WISDOM" THAT IS FAR BEYOND ANY MONEY,GOLD OR SILVER YOU COULD EVER OWN.
***WHICH IS EXACTLY WHY GOD SAID: MY PEOPLE PERISH "FOR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE"...

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All part of living in the Days of NOAH!



Lies, deceptions, and Doctrine of Demons!!

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For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.....Matthew 6:21
There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under the heavens: Ecclesiastes 3:1
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There are many roads that lead to Rome (I guess Rome is out of the question for you, too, though.)

I for one am glad I don't walk your path Lisa
but I wish you luck walking it



Blessed Be lol

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