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-Selfish interest rule the world.
-Pull your friends close, your enemies closer.
-You may be deceived if you trust too much,
but you will live in torment unless you trust enough.

The rest is for each,
to discern.
martina
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i trust that we will have a delicious and delightful holiday filled with love enough for the all.

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Good to hear fromyou QH
Thanks for these wise words...will keep them close
Kind regards and best to you...
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I don´t like keeping my enemies closer, tried that and all she did was steal, cheat and lie, and that is just the wife......
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"Closer" --not necessarily in proximity, but observationally. Closer to the power, while shielding from further risk.

Be selfless of heart, so that what may come next is the true result of a devious soul... or not.

Please nurture hope...faith...
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M & SC,

hihihi
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QH, it is the way of a democracy for those who are selfish to be less flexible and understanding in their demands and for those who are flexible and understanding to be less selfish in their demands. Hence there will always be the inbalance.
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OM

Entropy.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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"Having said all of that, entropy does increase in a bedroom (as it does everywhere in the universe), but it does so in a way that leads to energy being more evenly distributed about the room (as it does everywhere in the universe). Hot items cool down and certain items decompose"

???scratching
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I will rule the world before you!
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28 days... 6 hours... 42 minutes... 12 seconds. That... is when the world... will end
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OM

"Hence there will always be the inbalance."

We shared our belief of the governing mechanism of the specifics offered. "Imbalance" can most often be a perspective based frame of reference.

Imbalanced in one frame, more balanced with all of creation in the same instant.

So it becomes what it is per the observer. Always right and wrong, existence non-existence, so that constitution of reality is simply an expressive art.

Compliments friend.
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Lord

Then you shall be the first to enjoy its consequence.

We will watch,
and learn from you.
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"Hence there will always be the inbalance." = Life isn´t fair...
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Perspective and Knowledge

the faith of the mustard seed...bliss awaits
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OM

Phase conjugate pairs always maintain the balance. So for you, there is less, for another there is more.

Learn how to "attract," "bring forth," "seduce," you will cease to consider... imbalance.

First, you must believe...
or not.
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-Selfish interest rule the world.
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-Pull your friends close, your enemies closer.
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-You may be deceived if you trust too much,
but you will live in torment unless you trust enough.
OldMan

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Learn how to "attract," "bring forth," "seduce,"

Back to bedroom entropy. I will go away and study...
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OM

Your willingness and humility is quite seductive.

Safe travels.
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I always thought it was "keep your friends close and your enemies in your car boot..."
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The enemy is internal struggle, release all and your enemies have no binding agent, you are infinite, your innerself a ball of blinding light.

The future already happens, we die a thousand deaths each moment, we live a million lives each moment, enjoy this incarnation, bring forth only good fruit, that it my multiply.
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alienship...Hello!...

hi...The Divine Life

Society >>> except >>>



The Brihadaranyaka Upanishad
by
Swami Krishnananda

CHAPTER III

Second Brahmana

THE MAN IN BONDAGE AND HIS FUTURE AT DEATH


"(...) Arthabhaga puts a question: "Yajnavalkya! I put you this question." Yajnavalkya iti hovaca, kati grahah katy atigraha iti: "How many Grahas are there, how many Atigrahas are there?" Even the words "Graha" and "Atigraha" are unintelligible; we cannot make out their meaning. What do you mean by "Graha" and "Atigraha"? He simply puts a question: ´you tell us how many Grahas are there, how many Atigrahas are there?´ Yajnavalkya is not in any way deterred by these fantastic questions. He knows the answers to all these. Astau grahah astav atigraha iti: "There are eight Grahas and eight Atigrahas," was the answer of Yajnavalkya. Ye te´stau grahah, astav atigrahah, katame to iti: "Yajnavalkya! Tell me, exactly what are these eight Grahas that you are speaking of and what are the eight Atigrahas?"

Here, in this section of the Upanishad, we are dealing with a very important subject, in the answer Yajnavalkya gives to Arthabhaga, the questioner. It is important from the point of view of Yoga practice and spiritual meditation. It is not merely a fantastic question. It is a highly philosophical question and of great spiritual import from the point of view of actual practice. Graha means the senses and Atigraha is the object of sense. It is called Graha because it grasps the object. Anything that grasps is called the Graha. In Sanskrit, the root Grah signifies the action of grasping, grabbing, holding, controlling etc. As the senses grasp objects, catch hold of them and make them their own, as they hold tightly upon the object of sense, the senses are called the Grahas. But the objects are called Atigrahas. They are greater graspers than the grasper, the sense itself. Why? If the sense can grasp the object, the object also can grasp the sense. They are like two fighters in a duel. One is catching hold of the other. A does not leave B; B does not leave A. The senses will not leave the objects and the object also will not leave the senses. The more the sense grasps the object, the more does the object stir the sense. So there is a mutual action and reaction between the senses and the objects. The senses flare up more and more, irritated, angered and strengthened by their catching hold of the object. The strength of the sense increases when it catches hold of the object, and the object, inasmuch as it is capable of energizing the sense further and further on account of its coming in contact with it is called a greater grasper. It grasps sense itself. So, the "Graha" is the sense, the organ of action and sensation; and the object thereof is the "Atigraha." ´How many are there?´ "Eight are there," says Yajnavalkya.

prano vai grahah, so´panenatigrahena grhitah, apanena hi gandhan jighrati.
Prano vai grahah: The Prana grasps. So´panenatigrahena grhitah, apanena hi gandhan jighrati: The Prana here does not mean merely the process of breathing. It is that vital principle or activity inside, by which smell is made possible by the nostrils. The Prana functions in an active manner through the nostrils and compels the nose, to ask for more and more of odour as it´s own diet, or food. And the Apana, which is another function of the vital breath, is the source of the variety of smell which we have in the outer world. It acts like the feelers, as it were, for the varieties of odours in the external world. And so the Prana and the Apana, jointly, can be regarded as the Graha and the Atigraha. Prana acts upon Apana; Apana acts upon Prana. And it is on account of this mutual action and reaction of Prana and Apana that we are able to smell and want more and more of smell.

vag vai grahah, sa namnatigrahena grihitah, vaca hi namany-abhivadati.
Vag vai grahah: Speech is another Graha. It is also a very simple principle but very active in its modus operandi in the set of objects - vag vai grahah. Sa namnatigrahena grihitah, vaca hi namany-abhivadati: Speech is the repository of all language, all words, all designation, definition, meaning etc. So, the principle of speech is the Graha which catches hold of all meaning through language; and language is that which stirs the speech by correlative action. So speech and the words that we utter through speech, which means to say, everything that we speak, every meaning that we convey through any type of language spoken by word of mouth, may be regarded as Atigraha, or the counterpart of the Graha which is speech. And likewise, all other senses are Grahas, and they have their own objects or their Atigrahas which stir them into action.

jihva vai grahah, sa rasenatigrahena grhitah, jihvaya hi rasan vijanati.
Jihva vai grahah, sa rasenatigrahena grhitah: The palate, the tongue which is the instrument of taste, is a Graha. It catches hold of all taste; and taste is itself an Atigraha because the activity of the palate is increased by the presence of a variety of taste. It is caught hold of by the taste. If the tongue asks for taste, the presence of taste increases the vitality and energy of the palate, so that it gets caught more and more - Jihvaya hi rasan vijanati - because by the palate it is that we are able to taste all delicious things in the world.

caksur vai grahah, sa rupenatigrahena grhitah, caksusa hi rupani pasyati.
Caksur vai grahah: The eye also is a Graha which catches hold of colours and forms. Sa rupenatigrahena grhitah: All forms have an impact upon the eye so that the eye asks for more and more perception of colours and forms. And so the eyes are never satisfied with perception. Caksusa hi rupani pasyati: It is by the eyes that we perceive forms, and so the eyes and the forms connected with the eyes are the Graha and the Atigraha.

srotram vai grahah, sa sabdenatigrahena grhitah, srotena hi sabdan srnoti.
The ears are the Graha. They catch hold of the sounds and the sounds stir up the activity of the ears, so that they like to hear more and more variety of sound. Because of this fact the ears wish to hear sounds and in turn sounds stimulate the activity of the ears. They act as Graha and Atigraha.

mano vai grahah, sa kamenatigrahena grhitah, manasa hi kaman kamayate.
The mind is the Graha because it catches hold of all objects of desire, and every fulfilment of desire stirs up the activity of the mind more and more. So, the mind and the object of desire act as Graha and Atigraha.

hastau vai grahah, sa karmanatigrahena grhitah, hastabhyam hi karma karoti.
Hastau vai grahah: The hand is also a Graha. It catches hold of things. Sa karmanatigrahena grhitah: It is fond of action. It does something or the other. It does not keep quiet. So, the urge to act, or to perform Karma or work, is the Atigraha, the counterpart of this very urge itself which is communicated through the hands that are the instruments of action. So these are the Graha and Atigraha.

tvag vai grahah, sparsenatigrahena grhitah, tvaca hi sparsan vedayate: ity ete´stau grahah, astav atigrahah.
Tvag vai grahah: The skin also is a Graha. It asks for soft touches etc. Sparsenatigrahena grhitah: All touches stimulate the skin and the skin asks for touches. Tvaca hi sparsan vedayate: ity ete´stau grahah, astav atigrahah: These are the eight forms of perceptional activity, cognitional activity, the activity of the senses, and the eight kinds of effect that their objects correspondingly have upon them.

yajnavalkya iti hovaca, yad idam sarvam mrtyor annam, ka svit sa devata, yasya mrtyur annam iti: agnir vai mrtyuh, so pam annam, apa punar mrtyum jayati.
Yajnavalkya iti hovaca, yad idam sarvam mrtyor annam, ka svit sa devata: Yajnavalkya! This activity of the senses is, veritably, death for them. It is very well-known. It is not a good thing for the senses to work in this manner, because they fight with each other. The senses fight with their objects and the objects fight with the senses. They finally kill each other, one day or the other. Everything is destructible; everything is subject to death. Nothing can be free from the jaws of death. Now, Arthabhaga asked Yajnavalkya: "Inasmuch as everything here is a ´food´ for death which is the Devata, for whom death itself the food?" There is no escape from death. Death swallows everybody as if it is food. But is there a death of death? Is there anything of which death itself is the food? Can you tell me who is death to death itself? What is death? Which Devata, which deity, which god can eat death in the same way as death eats everything, so to say? Sarvam mrtyor annam, ka svit sa devata, yasya mrtyur annam iti: agnir vai mrtyuh, so pam annam, apa punar mrtyum jayati: Yajnavalkya says: "My dear friend! You know that there is a death for everything, and one thing can be swallowed by another thing. Fire is an eater of everybody. It can burn and swallow and destroy anything. But fire can be eaten up by water. If you pour a particular quantity of water, fire gets extinguished. So, in the same way as water can be regarded as an eater of death in the form of fire which is the eater of other thing, there is an eater of that eater too. The meaning implied herein is that the eater of death is the Supreme Being - mrtyuryasya upase canam." We are told this in the Katha Upanishad. The Supreme Being is the swallower of death. That means to say, one cannot overcome death unless one resorts to the Supreme Being. Not before that can you escape transmigration. There cannot be freedom from birth and death, there cannot be therefore freedom from the consequent sorrow of life, until and unless the great Reality is realized. So, who is the death of death? Who is the eater of death? The Supreme Being, the Eternal, the Absolute, He is the eater of death, and no one else can eat death."

Continued>>

[link to www.swami-krishnananda.org]
The Brihadaranyaka Upanishad book

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Main Herr

Swimming with Swami?
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Who needs enemies. A lot of it´s in the perception.
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You are beautiful.
We look at you everyday.
We form a fingerprint of you at calm.
We then exclude you some days.
We then include you some days.
We periodically poke you in vulnerable spots.
We learn much from this.
You are beautiful.
-Your Keeper
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There is a message here forum travelers,
do you see it?

Not to be spoken,
but to be understood...
...at the resonant level.

For your own protection.
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There is no need for keepers QH.

There be but one connection, a high one.
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We wouldn´t expect bowling balls to rain from the sky. Don´t blather, think. For your welfare.
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Everything is for each to discern.

Selfish interest divides the world but it is only in wishful thinking that it rules any but its own.

Pulling does not serve friendship. Attachment IS the enemy.

Torment is found in the lack of self honesty. Self honesty is the enemy of deception which would emphasize trust as a destraction in its hypnotic art of seduction.

See what I mean? Everything is for each to discern.
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It is not blather, perspective dictates to my soul to find the spot within that burns with the white flame, the connection to bliss awaits and there is no deeper holding the door, the only keeper is my own self.

As I say earlier in this thread:

Perspective and Knowledge

the faith of the mustard seed...bliss awaits





GLP