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About new agers and so on...

 
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Accept other ppl believes. Dont juge.
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Good luck tolerating communists, fascists, islamists, racists etc.

Don't judge...
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Same ole hypocrite pagan BS. The judge and [email protected]#$%^&* christians then in the same breath condemn judging.
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Religious derailing is pointing it's head verysad
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04/27/2012 08:44 AM
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i'll put it simple. Why can't we all just get along.

caution facts ahead that might upset some people. we are going into a new age.

yes the earth moves through space and we see space in a different view every night, that is simple facts. but saying something is going to happen is not fact, it's a guess. maybe something will maybe something won't. i'm hoping that something does. like a burst of energy that wakes everyone up and shows them we are all in this together and to stop all this stupid hate.
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I don't hate new-agers :(

I just find it sad they don't warn each others about the dangers and pitfall of their practices, that's all. Also that there is a generalized lack of critical thinking in that field.

But I certainly don't hate them.
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the ones that come in and put up uneducated comments are the ones that make the rest look so bad. i know a lot of people that do real research on this and i do as well. there are a lot of theories out there but people need to understand they are theories. no one has said those are facts. use your mind and your eyes to see for yourself and if you disagree with someone give your view and hear what they have as input on yours. then we are start making progress.
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It's true, but educated "new-agers" should also do the self-examination of their movement, and dare to speak out their truth more often when others start abusing or spreading manipulative or deceptive ideas. Religious people are expected to do the same, so it's only normal to hope the new-age community will start the work of separating the grain from the chaff. The problem is that usually they have a tendency to say "we can't deny someone an opinion or theory" because new-age is a syncretic movement.

I disagree. Especially if the theory is clearly manipulative or dangerous.

IMHO
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that's were we as people need to look and see things for what the are. i know when i read something if its total bs or if it has real information in it. we just have to hope everyone else can rise above stupidity.
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that's were we as people need to look and see things for what the are. i know when i read something if its total bs or if it has real information in it. we just have to hope everyone else can rise above stupidity.
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Nope. We have a responsibility to share our knowledge with others.

If you fall in a hole in the ground, when you get out, are you going to continue walking thinking "I hope others are more careful than me".

Or will you put a sign saying "Warning, hole in the ground ahead!".


I made my choice.
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that's were we as people need to look and see things for what the are. i know when i read something if its total bs or if it has real information in it. we just have to hope everyone else can rise above stupidity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12527214


Nope. We have a responsibility to share our knowledge with others.

If you fall in a hole in the ground, when you get out, are you going to continue walking thinking "I hope others are more careful than me".

Or will you put a sign saying "Warning, hole in the ground ahead!".


I made my choice.
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i didn't say anything about not sharing information. did i? i said we as people need to rise above stupidity.
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04/27/2012 08:55 AM
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i didn't say anything about not sharing information. did i? i said we as people need to rise above stupidity.
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You said we have to hope people will rise above stupidity.

What I'm saying is that we can do more than hope. We can act.

And I wish educated "new-agers" could act more and start being critical openly, sharing their views more often. The new-age movement is too permissive to manipulators and scammers.
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you don't get it.
yhwh had declared war against everyone who
doesn't believe in "him"
you shall either be converted, enslaved or killed.

your tolerance has absolutely nothing to do with it.
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04/27/2012 09:03 AM
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For example, I can't understand how dangerous cults like the Church of scientology can be sued in Europe for being a dangerous sect, and be protected in the US.

Are there really people in the US govt who believe Scientology is not abusive and dangerous? And those who believe it is, can't they do anything? How fucked up is this...
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04/27/2012 09:05 AM
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you don't get it.
yhwh had declared war against everyone who
doesn't believe in "him"
you shall either be converted, enslaved or killed.

your tolerance has absolutely nothing to do with it.
 Quoting: xxx 14916114


OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh!!!! I tuned back in at just the right time!

Yhwh sounds like such a nice guy. I'm gonna jump right on his band wagon.

No one can convert, enslave or kill me. I am not my body afterall. Give it your best shot Yhwh.
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
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For example, I can't understand how dangerous cults like the Church of scientology can be sued in Europe for being a dangerous sect, and be protected in the US.

Are there really people in the US govt who believe Scientology is not abusive and dangerous? And those who believe it is, can't they do anything? How fucked up is this...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


We have a little thing called freedom in this country. People can choose whatever stupidness they want to sign up for.
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
~Calvin & Hobbs~
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For example, I can't understand how dangerous cults like the Church of scientology can be sued in Europe for being a dangerous sect, and be protected in the US.

Are there really people in the US govt who believe Scientology is not abusive and dangerous? And those who believe it is, can't they do anything? How fucked up is this...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


We have a little thing called freedom in this country. People can choose whatever stupidness they want to sign up for.
 Quoting: Zephyr2


So brainwashing and money extortion is not an offence? Sounds nice.
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04/27/2012 09:08 AM
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Truth....it's a personal thing. When you have an experience in life..it teaches you. just because another person doesn't share your truth doesn't make it any less true for you. And just because you don't believe someone elses truth doesn't make it any less true for another.
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
~Calvin & Hobbs~
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you don't get it.
yhwh had declared war against everyone who
doesn't believe in "him"
you shall either be converted, enslaved or killed.

your tolerance has absolutely nothing to do with it.
 Quoting: xxx 14916114


OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh!!!! I tuned back in at just the right time!

Yhwh sounds like such a nice guy. I'm gonna jump right on his band wagon.

No one can convert, enslave or kill me. I am not my body afterall. Give it your best shot Yhwh.
 Quoting: Zephyr2

so far that makes us a two person army.
i've got your back.
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Truth....it's a personal thing. When you have an experience in life..it teaches you. just because another person doesn't share your truth doesn't make it any less true for you. And just because you don't believe someone elses truth doesn't make it any less true for another.
 Quoting: Zephyr2


I agree, but I aint even talking about what is true or not. I'm talking about ethics and law. Manipulation, influence, coercion, scamming.
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For example, I can't understand how dangerous cults like the Church of scientology can be sued in Europe for being a dangerous sect, and be protected in the US.

Are there really people in the US govt who believe Scientology is not abusive and dangerous? And those who believe it is, can't they do anything? How fucked up is this...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


We have a little thing called freedom in this country. People can choose whatever stupidness they want to sign up for.
 Quoting: Zephyr2


So brainwashing and money extortion is not an offence? Sounds nice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


Have you read any Scientology books? Have you personally taken any courses in Scientology? If not, then you have no right to call it brainwashing. I am not a Scientologist but I did study it and I found it to contain many truths. That doesnt mean tho that it's the end all and be all.
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
~Calvin & Hobbs~
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Truth....it's a personal thing. When you have an experience in life..it teaches you. just because another person doesn't share your truth doesn't make it any less true for you. And just because you don't believe someone elses truth doesn't make it any less true for another.
 Quoting: Zephyr2


I agree, but I aint even talking about what is true or not. I'm talking about ethics and law. Manipulation, influence, coercion, scamming.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


You know, if you look hard enough at any belief system or ideology you will find some areas of questionable ethics. You may find some outright scams but that doesn't make the original information any less valuable...sometimes it's just a few bad apples in the mix.
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
~Calvin & Hobbs~
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For example, I can't understand how dangerous cults like the Church of scientology can be sued in Europe for being a dangerous sect, and be protected in the US.

Are there really people in the US govt who believe Scientology is not abusive and dangerous? And those who believe it is, can't they do anything? How fucked up is this...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


We have a little thing called freedom in this country. People can choose whatever stupidness they want to sign up for.
 Quoting: Zephyr2


So brainwashing and money extortion is not an offence? Sounds nice.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


Have you read any Scientology books? Have you personally taken any courses in Scientology? If not, then you have no right to call it brainwashing. I am not a Scientologist but I did study it and I found it to contain many truths. That doesnt mean tho that it's the end all and be all.
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Manipulation and brainwashing is NOT about the content of a book, true or not. It's about the method used to teach it.

I'm targeting the method. THAT is the brainwashing.

You can defend their "truth" (even Xenu?), but you can't defend their ways nor their greed.
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you don't get it.
yhwh had declared war against everyone who
doesn't believe in "him"
you shall either be converted, enslaved or killed.

your tolerance has absolutely nothing to do with it.
 Quoting: xxx 14916114


OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOh!!!! I tuned back in at just the right time!

Yhwh sounds like such a nice guy. I'm gonna jump right on his band wagon.

No one can convert, enslave or kill me. I am not my body afterall. Give it your best shot Yhwh.
 Quoting: Zephyr2

so far that makes us a two person army.
i've got your back.
 Quoting: xxx 14916114


It's okay...I have a bazooka. lol.
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
~Calvin & Hobbs~
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You know, if you look hard enough at any belief system or ideology you will find some areas of questionable ethics. You may find some outright scams but that doesn't make the original information any less valuable...sometimes it's just a few bad apples in the mix.
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Again, you try to defend something saying "it's the same elsewhere..."

True. So what? Does that prevent people to act to solve the problems in their own backyard?

What's better? New-agers taking responsibility themselves to sort out the "few bad apples", or waiting for the govt to do it (it won't happen)?
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but just because some people choose to not listen doesn't make that teaching invaluable.
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Also, to be labelled "new-age" it must be about the new-age of aquarius. Otherwise it's mainly old spiritual teachings, like yoga, meditation, prayer, astral projection, with a new name.

What do you think about that "age of aquarius"? When is it supposed to begin?
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Thing is the new age mumble, is not of the new age, its the wery old and worst that skims the surface right now.

A cup is full of bad vine and when good vine is poured into that cup the bad vine overflows.
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but just because some people choose to not listen doesn't make that teaching invaluable.
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Also, to be labelled "new-age" it must be about the new-age of aquarius. Otherwise it's mainly old spiritual teachings, like yoga, meditation, prayer, astral projection, with a new name.

What do you think about that "age of aquarius"? When is it supposed to begin?
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Thing is the new age mumble, is not of the new age, its the wery old and worst that skims the surface right now.

A cup is full of bad vine and when good vine is poured into that cup the bad vine overflows.
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Precisely.
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You know, if you look hard enough at any belief system or ideology you will find some areas of questionable ethics. You may find some outright scams but that doesn't make the original information any less valuable...sometimes it's just a few bad apples in the mix.
 Quoting: Zephyr2


Again, you try to defend something saying "it's the same elsewhere..."

True. So what? Does that prevent people to act to solve the problems in their own backyard?

What's better? New-agers taking responsibility themselves to sort out the "few bad apples", or waiting for the govt to do it (it won't happen)?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


There will always be bad apples. That is the human condition. That doesn't excuse it but that is a fact. I always call it out when I see it but it's not my job to police the world.
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
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I always call it out when I see it
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I wish more people would do like you. That way it would be easy to judge the reputation of a spiritual healer or channeller.

Unfortunately, if you try today to make an opinion about the teachings or practices of some new-agers, you'll see that most critics come from the outside of the new-age community. From skeptics or religious people. It shouldn't be like that.
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but just because some people choose to not listen doesn't make that teaching invaluable.
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Also, to be labelled "new-age" it must be about the new-age of aquarius. Otherwise it's mainly old spiritual teachings, like yoga, meditation, prayer, astral projection, with a new name.

What do you think about that "age of aquarius"? When is it supposed to begin?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


Thing is the new age mumble, is not of the new age, its the wery old and worst that skims the surface right now.

A cup is full of bad vine and when good vine is poured into that cup the bad vine overflows.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15041089


Yes, I like the way you put that.
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
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Honestly, there's more of a feeling that "new-agers" protect each others from all external critics. And I'm pretty sure all scammers and manipulators use that flaw with delight.
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What do you think about Xenu, Zephyr? Does that part of the story ring true too?
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What do you think about Xenu, Zephyr? Does that part of the story ring true too?
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Who? lol...I know I have heard that name before...I have read many of Sitchens books...have anything to so with that? The annunaki?

Do you have lots of new agers there in Belgium...cos I don't see very many were I live...I mean I know there's lots here in the U.S ... but I live in the country and people are alittle rustic here.
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
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What do you think about Xenu, Zephyr? Does that part of the story ring true too?
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You wanna know what L.Ron was thinking when he wrote his book, with advices from the occultist Jack Parsons? You wanna know how he joked about how he would start a religion to become rich?

You know what was is previous job? Science-fiction writer.
You want to know where is "knowledge" of the spiritual comes from? Occultism. He was a scribe for Jack Parsons, leader of the Agape Lodge (OTO in the US) and participated in sex magic rituals to invoke demonic entities.

Is that the kind of guy who should be free to spread his "knowledge"?
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What do you think about Xenu, Zephyr? Does that part of the story ring true too?
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You wanna know what L.Ron was thinking when he wrote his book, with advices from the occultist Jack Parsons? You wanna know how he joked about how he would start a religion to become rich?

You know what was is previous job? Science-fiction writer.
You want to know where is "knowledge" of the spiritual comes from? Occultism. He was a scribe for Jack Parsons, leader of the Agape Lodge (OTO in the US) and participated in sex magic rituals to invoke demonic entities.

Is that the kind of guy who should be free to spread his "knowledge"?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1051099


I already knew all that..not to sound snotty...but it's true. I still found some value in what I learned in Scientology...I have value in everything I have learned in my life...it has gotten me to where I am now and I am a very simple but happy person.
"Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us."
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What do you think about Xenu, Zephyr? Does that part of the story ring true too?
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Who? lol...I know I have heard that name before...I have read many of Sitchens books...have anything to so with that? The annunaki?

Do you have lots of new agers there in Belgium...cos I don't see very many were I live...I mean I know there's lots here in the U.S ... but I live in the country and people are alittle rustic here.
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Google Xenu :) Top-secret scientology info reserved for the top-tier payers like Cruise and Travolta.

Yes, there are new-agers here. But usually most books and info comes from the US and are translated and sometimes reinterpreted by local authors.

Here historically it was more magic and rosicrucianism and older things :) New-age is relatively "new".





GLP