About new agers and so on...

Certainly not known groups or individuals.

That's just rubbish that you've made up. Earlier today I happened to watch a YouTube vid, made by a "new ager" warning people against fakes and frauds.


Like I said before, it happens, but not enough. Don't be mad at me, I'm just pointing out the flaws to be corrected, not saying all is bad.

But still, I have yet to see more new-agers condemning Rael, Ramtha, Lee Carroll and many others.

It's nice to say "beware of frauds", but pointing them would be better.

Some something unprovable then? Some kind of scarecrow distracting the attention from the real threat?

Of course. Like most things.

Well said indeed! We can thank the bible for centuries of partriarchal misogyny.

So who's behind the scarecrow?

already there!

There's no such things as "not known groups or individuals".

Hidden in plain sight is the best hiding spot.

"TPTB" meme is really serving the current power structures, distracting the attention from them :)

Why did the CIA hijacked the new-age and conspiracy movements?

They so love to create false threats to divert the attention of those who are more critical.

lol

EXACTLY !!!!

they dont - because its THEM who hold THE WHOLE KNOWLEDGE HIDDEN FROM PUBLIC - from which Im spittin' just fractions, tiny peices .. still its KNOWLEDGE : D

Lol, mystical teachings are present in all religions, and available for all. Just google "christian mysticism" or "sufism" or "kaballah" for example.

On the other hand, masons for example teach the very same things, but behind closed doors and under a veil of secrecy to tickle the curiosity and attract paying members.

You did not answer my question. Who do you think is behind the scarecrow?

I wonder if this "trigger" had anything to do with the endless amounts of TV/Cinema/Music/Education programming that has been shoved down every generation of childrens' throats for the past forty years or so.

We all thought it was grassroots counter-culture for the longest time.. a spontaneous mass creative event.

Turns out it was mostly psychological/military social engineering operations. That's how the New Age Religion became mainstream in the 60's 70's 80's.

If this is news to anyone, check out Laurel Canyon for an introduction.

And with your avatar picture, that man, told neo that the truth can not be told, only realised by self.

Your welcome.

It's partly true. But also, in other countries, in other cultures, people get their attention caught by other things that are not related to all this (religion VS new age) and also become spiritually awake.

Could it be that this process is more universal and independent from human influence? I believe so.

Was the "new-age" label exploited to transmit beliefs into people experiencing spiritual awakening? I believe so.


I find it interesting that no one tried to answer my most thought-provoking so far, like this one:


Who would benefit the most from the belief that a "new-age" of peace and understanding will come, ushered by an external astrological or supernatural force?

Who would benefit from the fact that people who will wait for that new-age to come would be less likely to force change by themselves?

What's truth?

You're welcome

I love New Agers since we are already in the Age of Aquarius

goodbye to all religions

welcome the new age of unconditional love and peace

we are one

I agree, to a point. I think one should be wary of life on this planet in general BUT to have the openess of a child. After all, we are here to experience life. So what the label? Who cares what it's called...EST, scientology, christianity, buddism....what ever draws your attention, go for it, but don't make it your excuse. Dont be a victim to anything ever. Always make conscious choices. One should always be mindful of where they are stepping. Make each step a conscious one.

There, now didn't that sound nice and new agey? lol..So what,,, it's truth.

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Assigning a label to any sort of belief induces judgment.

This is why, though I believe in God and the Lord's majesty and love, I do not assign myself to a belief. I do not call myself 'Christian' or 'New Age'.

I just am one with love=one with God.

Like somebody previously mentioned, you can only teach through experience. Actions speak much louder than any sort of preaching. The label of 'New Age' brings about negative or positive connotations throughout the community, but to just be awake and knowledgeably understand that your experiences are yours--and yours alone--grants wisdom.

No need for names for 'who you are', no need for labels to be assigned to your beliefs, no need for texts (though texts are great guidelines, such as the Bible)...We just are one thing. That thing is love!!!

Good questions.

Bringing in the New Age religion is ultimately destroying the belief in the one God, and the absolute qualities of Right vs. Wrong. New Age religion opens the door to beliefs like 'anything that makes people feel good is good' .. This is a huge transition from living by God's rules.

Remember, just a few centuries ago, people who believed in God were willing to die en mass rather than live against God's word. PEOPLE LIKE THIS ARE VERY HARD TO CONTROL. Yes they can be fooled into thinking they're doing an act for God, but in general they have a very strict value system that they adhere to. This is why mass media's been chipping away at these beliefs 24/7 for about a century now.

If belief in God was a desirable control mechanism, it would not be CONSTANTLY attacked and neglected in popular media.

New Age Religion, on the other hand, the moral value system is completely relative. If something can be portrayed as 'spiritual ascension' or whatever then followers will flock to it. So the social engineers can basically play Fill in the Blank.. Technology / Globalism / Communism, etc. As long as they make it sound nice and fluffy and a move towards "world peace" or whatever.

that's the same as saying, "love is not for everybody."
like, so totally not true.

Religion has used "god" like a sledge hammer over the heads of mankind and womankind for eons to control and enslave the populace. Religion took the god out of man/womankind and put it "out there" somewhere to worship from afar so that your own true nature would never be known...then you could more easily be controlled.

Religion is politics. Its the ultimate Brain washing.

Great thread OP! and it's refreshing to see several pages of coherent dialogue rather than religious zeal, arguments and mud flinging :)

Zephyr and Helix... always enjoy your input and points of view :)

I agree, the 'label' of new age is quite deceptive. There's nothing new about 'new age' - the concepts, for the most part, are older than the oldest of religions. That thought process to enlightenment/salvation/life after death/etc., was just a different paradigm for a different time. I believe the resurgence (a return to older thinking patterns) of 'new age' is happening perhaps because many of the religious paradigms are failing so many people.

Bottom line is.... 'knowing'. Having or acquiring information about something because it has been 'learned' is a far cry from 'knowing' something because it has been experienced. Until we experience it, we don't truly know it - and that knowing, comes from within.

So whatever it is that leads a person to go within, whether it be any one or all of the labels we place on belief systems, structures or paradigms, if it opens the person's mind enough to direct them inwards in search of answers, then the paradigm has served its purpose. But we must all be wary of everything.... paradigms serve a purpose - they are not THE purpose :)

Well said. The greatest teacher is experience. It never lies to you.

Perfectly stated

If you have never been here, how can you judge an entire country by the few people you know? I surely hope you do not think the internet is a good representation of the people of the US.

I'm afraid we Americans are not very popular anymore....if we ever really were...I think it's just starting to dawn on us....the awful truth about us. lol

I have never come across anyone in the "new age" movement that believed "anything that makes people feel good is good" most often what is taught is you reap or suffer for the consequences of your behavior. Perhaps you should read up on the philosophy of karma.

Please explain to me what you have against world peace. Isn't that what every Miss American wants?

This question wasn't addressed to me, and I'm certainly not against World Peace as an outcome. However, there are different ways of achieving this goal:

(1) Peace through conquest. Kill all the dissidents until all that remain are peaceful subjects to TPTB.

(2) Peace through justice. Promote justice at all levels of society until there is nothing left to be unpeaceful about.

#2 is an ideal but is much preferable to #1, which in some form is what most people promote.

I think your points are very well thought out and stated but I don't agree.

Peace can only come individually...from within...again sounding kinda new agey...BUT...it's true.

#1 won't work...because humans are fickle and emotional beings...they will not remain peaceful subjects to those moronic PTB.

#2 Won't work because no one can agree apon what is just.