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MANUFACTURED HATE

 
Quantum Host
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11/26/2005 08:52 AM
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Catalyst for hate without regard for their name or real identity... will be judged by the celestial court.

Let words to words, deeds be deeds.

Live, and let live.
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11/26/2005 08:55 AM
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trye religion !
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11/26/2005 08:55 AM
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I wish QH...sadly it just ainīt so.
Over the side and damn the barracuda
Q.
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11/26/2005 08:56 AM
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Shadow it will be so. Our time here is a blink of the eye in the grand scheme of the cosmos.

QH is right!
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11/26/2005 09:05 AM
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Q, I agree (in the universal sense) I just wish we could grow up a little, advance beyond the primitive (non)understanding we currently adopt.
Over the side and damn the barracuda
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11/26/2005 09:10 AM
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How do actors and acrtresses fit into your scenario, Q? I guess you have to believe in a celestial court to be subject to its punishment.
Q.

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11/26/2005 09:27 AM
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Actors?

We are aware that they are acting out a figment or basis in account portrayed of others.

Hate that is directed intentionaly from source and to cause intentional harm. Hate that is a genuine emotion felt by the receiving end will no doubt be judged.

Nothing is black and white as I am sure you know.

Indeed shadow, If only we skip this century and move right on to the next :)
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11/26/2005 09:31 AM
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How does it work if you hate the act/action and not specifically the actor?
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11/26/2005 09:39 AM
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Its directed to no-one is it not? What do you think happens to that energy?
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11/26/2005 09:41 AM
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I would imagine it gets directed right back to self.
Q.

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11/26/2005 09:43 AM
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Ah ha!

So we need to control our emotionals during the act and still feel the moment with reacting without the same projection.

Perhaps taking any bad energy in and outwardly converting to a postivite or null state.
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11/26/2005 09:46 AM
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I think it takes a lot to manufacture hate. I know for me it does. I would imagine that is why a lot of people use a creative outlet to reprocess these feelings either with writing, or music, etc.
Q.

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11/26/2005 09:48 AM
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For most people you are right. Much energy for the exact opposite too. Practice and time it becomes easier to manufacter LOVE.
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11/26/2005 09:51 AM
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What do you do when your idea of LOVE or the source/well from which to create LOVE betrays you?
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11/26/2005 09:53 AM
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What if God was your source and he betrayed you?
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11/26/2005 09:57 AM
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If in order to manufacture it you need to fake it, is that proper?
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11/26/2005 09:58 AM
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GOD

Its not possible!

Reflections of everything, we can only blame ourselves and redirect the energy for better.

If you have been betrayed by your LOVER it is their love that they have betrayed and not yours.

Never be selfish with your LOVE and onl LOVE your partner, dont put all your eggs in one basket, LOVE nature, LOVE the universe, LOVE the water ad try too LOVE everyone.

Then if a LOVER betrays you there is only a small portion of hurt as your LOVE exists in everything.

Easier said I know.
Q.

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11/26/2005 10:00 AM
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If in order to manufacture it you need to fake it, is that proper?
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Define manufacture.

It is a spring that exists inside you and everywhere. If it is not already realized one needs to bring in into conciousness before becoming natural.
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11/26/2005 10:09 AM
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What if a personīs LOVE and the idea of God are all tied together and something happened that was Divine which later completely betrayed their belief in both? How do you find LOVE or God again and find the ability to ever trust in it again?
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11/26/2005 10:14 AM
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What if a person´s LOVE and the idea of God are all tied together and something happened that was Divine which later completely betrayed their belief in both?
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Was it REALLY DIVINE?

Question what was thought to be divine or Question why, in there will be the answer.


Everything has purpose does it not?

Think what was the purpose and where is it trying to guide you.

Does it fit?
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11/26/2005 10:22 AM
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If where I feel the past situation is currently trying to guide me, that only furthers how betrayed I actually was by the situation. Itīs a bait and switch of cosmic porportions. I will never accept the switch as valid since it was done under false pretenses.

With what happened to me and without going into specifics, Divine is the only explanation I still have for what occured.
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11/26/2005 10:30 AM
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If it wasnīt Divine, then the only explanation is that the other parties involved are of Evil and mal-intent.
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11/26/2005 10:36 AM
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And to bring this topic full circle, if it was of Evil, then what occured could only have been done out of Hate for me. It would be manufactured LOVE pretending to be real LOVE. I know the LOVE was real on my side for the bait, but I would have never said YES to the switch.
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11/26/2005 10:38 AM
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15407

This is so strange that you mentioned this because itīs something Iīm dealing with too right now. Along with the betrayal of people I thought were friends and intentional cruelty and humilation.

Iīve run the gamut of emotions on this one. I have nothing to compare this to. I wonīt get into details, but at the time I believed with every fiber of my being that I was being guided and supported to help this person; and through that person I got a glimpse of Divine love that I canīt begin to explain.

In my anger, I felt betrayed by everyone but most of all by God. I became estranged from God and from everyone else.

Things with me are still not good. Not good at all, but certain books and helpful tapes seem to come into my life lately that have helped.

Iīm holding on to something I heard in one of those tape sets that dropped into my life from out of the blue...it talked about how the worst times of suffering in our lives means thereīs a greater spiritual dimension going on. A greater spiritual event that is very powerful and very positive -- itīs for the good. And we should not judge by appearances because Divinity is a paradox. In the Divine world, things are definitely not what they appear to be.

Thatīs how it operates...

When you look at how the Divine acts in the world, it creates (with us) and uses the most painful episodes to transform us. This is not negative...just the opposite. But it appears to require surrender to the Divine Will on our part for that transformation to break into the material world and to manifest as a miracle.

I said this badly, but I hope it helps.

Peace to you and good luck.
Q.

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11/26/2005 10:43 AM
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On the right path you are. Drop resentment, hate, fear and anger and lbe guided by your instincts.

Good-night and I wish you well in your healing.

Everything has purpose in the end. The divine purpose is to always brin about the best in you.

The quest is harder but you have choosen the right coarse.
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11/26/2005 10:46 AM
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Thanks for your input, 1614.

The problem I have with some of what you posted is that if I go with the Divine Will, I will end up with "the switch". I do not want that for myself AT ALL and will not accept it even if that means eternal damnation. I feel so betrayed by it all that words canīt begin to describe it. How could God do this to me? I donīt believe I would ever be able to hand the reigns over again to Him because of it. The trust is gone.
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To be guided by my instincts, Q,, would mean that I donīt ever have to accept "the switch".
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11/26/2005 11:03 AM
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15407

I can relate. Youīre in that place of pain and anger right now thatīs all encompassing. Itīs sdont_use_thisife and your soul.

And I think itīs important to acknowledge it the way that youīre doing now. Some people jump on the "itīll be OK bandwagon" way too soon and it only prolongs the suffering in the end.

On the other hand, I think we need to be careful not to stop our lives cold right now, (this is the hard part for me) because in all truth, we donīt really know what happened or the reason for it or even what inning weīre in.

In my situation, you couldnīt believe all the coincidences that happened that at the time, and I took as confirmation that the Divine was a player in this.

All I personally can feel is pain right now and maybe thatīs what youīre also feeling. And Iīm repeating words to you that I want to be true...but I canīt feel them for myself at the moment.

I canīt remember what it feels like to pray. It seems so foreign now.
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11/26/2005 11:25 AM
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What does this mean? "sdont_use_thisife"

Itīs also hard for me not to want to stop my life cold, just like you. Sometimes I just feel like, whatīs the point really?

"In my situation, you couldn´t believe all the coincidences that happened that at the time, and I took as confirmation that the Divine was a player in this."

>>I know EXACTLY how you feel. If coincidences arenīt Divine, what are they? Maybe they are just patterns weīre recognizing and wanting to make more out of them than there is to make out of them. The coincidences started to get so frequent for me that I thought, if I donīt lose the plot now, I donīt know if I ever will.<<

"All I personally can feel is pain right now and maybe that´s what you´re also feeling. And I´m repeating words to you that I want to be true...but I can´t feel them for myself at the moment."

>>Yep, you pretty much nailed it. Pain, pain and more pain especially for me in the past 3 months. Itīs hard to put on the happy face to others when you donīt really feel it inside. Iīm normally a happy person too, so this isnīt a normal situation for me to find myself in.<<

"I can´t remember what it feels like to pray. It seems so foreign now."

>>I go back and forth between abandoning God and those beliefs altogether and then accepting it for moments again. I feel that if I pray, it will bring me back to an even worse predicament than Iīm already in. I feel that this is what got me here in the first place... why bother?<<<


Thank you for your words. Itīs sad to say, but when you know thereīs someone else out there in the world that can relate, it makes you feel just a little less alone.
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Gotta go now. Thanks Quantum Host, Q. and everyone for this thread.

15407

You asked the big enchilada of questions and I hope Quantum Host, Q. and others can help to answer it. You asked about surrender to Divine Will.

Thatīs my biggest problem too. I have a black belt in messing up whenever I try to control my life. Iīm a certified failure in that department, yet why am I so afraid that God will do it any worse that me? Thatīs my personal crummy paradox. I already have a proven track record of not being able to control things, so why is it so hard for me to believe that God can do better than I can? I canīt fix the plumbing in the house and need to call for help and trust that the plumber will prevail because he or she knows more about it than I do. But I canīt seem to make the stretch to God.

Hey, hereīs the tape set thatīs been really helpful. Itīs Advanced Energy Anatomy, The Science of Co-Creation and Your Power of Choice, by Caroline Myss.

She talks about this on Tape 5B, Session Eight: "The Mysterious Will of the Divinity"

which includes,
"The angels of necessity, choice and compassion -- and how we dialouge with them; Co-creation as a soul serving dynamic"...and more.

It picks up again on Tape 6A with:
"Where your guardian angel is right now; Seeing God as a parent figure; When you donīt know, pray; Surrender as the ultimate goal; The nature of guidance; Why nothing is impossible.."

Good luck.
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11/26/2005 11:42 AM
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We were posting at the same time. There must be a filter on the board.

This is what I said that was changed -- I hope it doesnīt block it out again.

"I can relate. You´re in that place of pain and anger right now that´s all encompassing. It´s sdont_use_thisife and your soul.

Itīs s.t.a.i.n.i.n.g your life and your soul.(I meant that in the generic sense).

In case it filtered it out again, the word was

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Hope we can talk later.





GLP