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Brothers and sisters in Christ, it is time to understand the true nature of law and grace, the 13th Apostle, and the formation of 2000 odd years of the Christian Church age and the gospel of grace.

Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus had to fulfil the law to die without sin! Not to fulfil it so it was finished - that would be destroying the law.

When does heaven and earth pass away??
Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. (judgment of the wicked)
Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

The Lord just put it on my heart to make a series on this very thing:



Here is the full play list:
[link to www.youtube.com]

Time for all Christians to finally learn the truth about Saul, Paul, Balaam and the Gospel of Grace.

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Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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hi,i believe jesus taught us grace and the law,not one or the other.we should keep the law because it pleases our father for us to do so.is the law spoken of the talmud or the ten commandments?thanx in advance bro
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Is Jesus Christ your High Priest, OP? If not, who is?
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jesus taught us grace and the law,not one or the other.
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but which laws are we talking about?the ten commandments or the talmud laws i really need to know!
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but which laws are we talking about?the ten commandments or the talmud laws i really need to know!
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Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms. Luke 24
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Is Jesus Christ your High Priest, OP? If not, who is?
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He is my High Priest, Lord, Saviour, King and Messiah. I did my prayer-lead research, and it took me 2 hours and 54 seconds to say what I needed to say with revelation from the Lord. I hope you find the time to check it out afro
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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Is Jesus Christ your High Priest, OP? If not, who is?
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He is my High Priest, Lord, Saviour, King and Messiah. I did my prayer-lead research, and it took me 2 hours and 54 seconds to say what I needed to say with revelation from the Lord. I hope you find the time to check it out afro
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Okay that's great that Jesus is your High Priest. What do you think about Him being from the tribe of Judah, when the Law of Moses says that the High Priest (and all priests) must be from the tribe of Levi?


11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
-- Hebrews 7:11
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but which laws are we talking about?the ten commandments or the talmud laws i really need to know!
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What we are talking about here is the ten commandments AND all the laws of the torah given in the old testament, with the exception of animal sacrifice which has been replaced by Jesus as the lamb of God. Please throw out the 'talmud', this is a perverse, corrupt thing trying to resemble the bible but really very different. All we need - I'm completely serious - is a King James version bible. All the law is there, all the law is current, Gods grace and mercy are everlasting.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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Is Jesus Christ your High Priest, OP? If not, who is?
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Yeshua could not have been a priest since only Levites from the tribe of Levi could be and Yeshua was from the tribe of Judah .
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Is Jesus Christ your High Priest, OP? If not, who is?
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Yeshua could not have been a priest since only Levites from the tribe of Levi could be and Yeshua was from the tribe of Judah .
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so who is your high priest?
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Is Jesus Christ your High Priest, OP? If not, who is?
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Yeshua could not have been a priest since only Levites from the tribe of Levi could be and Yeshua was from the tribe of Judah .
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so who is your high priest?
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I don't have right now since none of the tribes of Israel really know who they are , they are still scattered . But I don't need one now because the veil was torn , we can go straight to our Heavenly Father now .
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Is Jesus Christ your High Priest, OP? If not, who is?
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Yeshua could not have been a priest since only Levites from the tribe of Levi could be and Yeshua was from the tribe of Judah .
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He is from the Melchizedek priesthood, silly.
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Is Jesus Christ your High Priest, OP? If not, who is?
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Yeshua could not have been a priest since only Levites from the tribe of Levi could be and Yeshua was from the tribe of Judah .
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He is from the Melchizedek priesthood, silly.
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Link ?
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Is Jesus Christ your High Priest, OP? If not, who is?
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Yeshua could not have been a priest since only Levites from the tribe of Levi could be and Yeshua was from the tribe of Judah .
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He is from the Melchizedek priesthood, silly.
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Link ?
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cruise the Bible:

Hebrews 5:6 And he says in another place, "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek
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Yeshua could not have been a priest since only Levites from the tribe of Levi could be and Yeshua was from the tribe of Judah .
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He is from the Melchizedek priesthood, silly.
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Link ?
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cruise the Bible:

Hebrews 5:6 And he says in another place, "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek
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Well since it contradicts what came before it , since Yeshua could not be a priest because he was from the tribe of Judah , I reject that of Hebrews along with the book of Acts and all of Saul's writings ! Anyone even know who wrote the book ? Why are you all trusting the whore of Babylon in what was inspired works or not . If it takes away from the former Prophets , it should be thrown in the bin where it belongs !!!
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Is Jesus Christ your High Priest, OP? If not, who is?
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He is my High Priest, Lord, Saviour, King and Messiah. I did my prayer-lead research, and it took me 2 hours and 54 seconds to say what I needed to say with revelation from the Lord. I hope you find the time to check it out afro
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Okay that's great that Jesus is your High Priest. What do you think about Him being from the tribe of Judah, when the Law of Moses says that the High Priest (and all priests) must be from the tribe of Levi?


11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
-- Hebrews 7:11
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I'll be honest I don't have the answer to that. My study and revelation relates specifically to Saul (OT), Saul (NT), Balaam and the words of Jesus Christ, God in the flesh. My lack of knowledge on any given biblical issue is not the issue here, its not a test to see how much I know or how good I am. I'm bringing the info' the Lord down loaded to me on Law and Grace. I hope you manage the time to see what is presented and get value from it :) God bless.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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This high priest issue is good and interesting, but also a distraction to what this thread is about. Which is watching and letting your spirit testify to the truth in the video! In Jesus name amen.
Matt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Psalm 119:165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.

Amos 8:11  Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

Ruth 1:1 Now it came to pass in the days when the judges ruled, that there was a famine in the land.
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He is from the Melchizedek priesthood, silly.
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Link ?
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cruise the Bible:

Hebrews 5:6 And he says in another place, "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek
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Well since it contradicts what came before it , since Yeshua could not be a priest because he was from the tribe of Judah , I reject that of Hebrews along with the book of Acts and all of Saul's writings ! Anyone even know who wrote the book ? Why are you all trusting the whore of Babylon in what was inspired works or not . If it takes away from the former Prophets , it should be thrown in the bin where it belongs !!!
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LOL, the source of the assertion is one of the Psalms.
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Link ?
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cruise the Bible:

Hebrews 5:6 And he says in another place, "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13479329


Well since it contradicts what came before it , since Yeshua could not be a priest because he was from the tribe of Judah , I reject that of Hebrews along with the book of Acts and all of Saul's writings ! Anyone even know who wrote the book ? Why are you all trusting the whore of Babylon in what was inspired works or not . If it takes away from the former Prophets , it should be thrown in the bin where it belongs !!!
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LOL, the source of the assertion is one of the Psalms.
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So put it up then !
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cruise the Bible:

Hebrews 5:6 And he says in another place, "You are a priest forever, in the order of Melchizedek
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Well since it contradicts what came before it , since Yeshua could not be a priest because he was from the tribe of Judah , I reject that of Hebrews along with the book of Acts and all of Saul's writings ! Anyone even know who wrote the book ? Why are you all trusting the whore of Babylon in what was inspired works or not . If it takes away from the former Prophets , it should be thrown in the bin where it belongs !!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15455734


LOL, the source of the assertion is one of the Psalms.
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So put it up then !
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What we are talking about here is the ten commandments AND all the laws of the torah given in the old testament, with the exception of animal sacrifice which has been replaced by Jesus as the lamb of God.
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You posted what Jesus said in Matthew 5:17-19 at the start of the thread. That is where Jesus said that he would not make any changes to the torah, not even punctuation. You seem to be contradicting what Jesus said by saying "with the exception of animal sacrifice which has been replaced by Jesus as the lamb of God.".

Are you saying that Jesus changed the torah after saying that He would not change the torah? What's up with that?
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Well since it contradicts what came before it , since Yeshua could not be a priest because he was from the tribe of Judah , I reject that of Hebrews along with the book of Acts and all of Saul's writings ! Anyone even know who wrote the book ? Why are you all trusting the whore of Babylon in what was inspired works or not . If it takes away from the former Prophets , it should be thrown in the bin where it belongs !!!
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LOL, the source of the assertion is one of the Psalms.
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So put it up then !
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skull_finganon
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wtf
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op,although you are well meaning,you are totally wrong about keeping the laws of the torah.we are called to follow the ten commandments as these stand forever and can noway be changed or removed.the laws of ordinances were nailed to the cross with our lord jesus christ.we are no longer under the curse of the law which is death but we are never the less commanded to keep the ten commandments.good luck to you keeping the law of the torah if you think you are justified by doing this you are still under the curse of the law.we keep the commandments because it pleases our father to do so but by grace we are saved from the curse of the law.il repeat it for you,the laws of ordinances were nailed to the cross with jesus,he became our curse as it says cursed is anyone who hangs from the tree.
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op,although you are well meaning,you are totally wrong about keeping the laws of the torah.we are called to follow the ten commandments as these stand forever and can noway be changed or removed.the laws of ordinances were nailed to the cross with our lord jesus christ.we are no longer under the curse of the law which is death but we are never the less commanded to keep the ten commandments.good luck to you keeping the law of the torah if you think you are justified by doing this you are still under the curse of the law.we keep the commandments because it pleases our father to do so but by grace we are saved from the curse of the law.il repeat it for you,the laws of ordinances were nailed to the cross with jesus,he became our curse as it says cursed is anyone who hangs from the tree.
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The ten statements .
For some reason, many people have the impression that there are only ten commandments. Everyone has heard of the "Ten Commandments," or at least they've heard of the movie.

I'll tell you a secret. There's no such thing!

Nowhere in the Torah is the phrase "ten commandments" used at all. When referring to these ten, the Torah always calls them the Aseres Had'vorim, the "Ten Statements," or the "Ten Words." In Aramaic, that comes out as "Aseres Hadibros," which is what we usually call them. It means the same thing: the "Ten Statements."

The Hebrew words for "Ten Commandments" would be "Aseres Hamitzvos." But no such term exists anywhere in the Torah or in Rabbinical Writings. Anywhere.

However, in Exodus 34:28, the King James' Bible uses the term "ten commandments" to translate the phrase, which is absolutely incorrect.

The original Hebrew, however, doesn't say that. The Hebrew says "Ten Statements." The same is true in Deuteronomy 4:13 and 10:14.

So get this: Millions of people in the world are confused because of a poor translation in the King James' Bible. They all think that when the Torah refers to "doing Hashem's Commandments," the Torah is referring to those Ten Statements that Hashem spoke at Mount Sinai, and no more! And the truth is, they're wrong!

To be sure, the Ten Statements are also Commandments. They are ten of the 613 Commandments of the Torah. Also, they represent ten categories of Commandments, which means that all the 613 can be represented by those ten, but there are far more than ten Commandments in the Torah. (The reason Hashem made those Ten Statements will be discussed, Hashem willing, in another article, possibly on the Holiday Gateway for Shavuos. No promise.)

So there are actually 613 Commandments in the Torah, but as I have shown above, most of them don't apply to most people.

So what are those Commandments? Well, I hope to get to that too, Hashem willing. But first, I hope to discuss more about the Jewish relationship with G-d.

I did not write this but thought it was very enlightening . When Yeshua tells us to keep the Commandments , He refers to the Torah . The Torah is not just for the jewish people , the Torah is for everyone who loves God . A lot of truth has got lost in translation .

“If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. John 14:15
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i think weve had this conversation before...what laws did god write in stone on mount sinai when he gave them to moses....and how many were there???are u stupid or just ignorant?not meaning to be harsh but you quoted the exact same response word for word on another thread.can u answer the questions i just asked you or did the whole moses stone slabs thing never happen in your opinion?
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i think weve had this conversation before...what laws did god write in stone on mount sinai when he gave them to moses....and how many were there???are u stupid or just ignorant?not meaning to be harsh but you quoted the exact same response word for word on another thread.can u answer the questions i just asked you or did the whole moses stone slabs thing never happen in your opinion?
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No need for the insults , Moses received the whole Law on Mount Sinai . And I posted it again because it is a great teaching and it is very relevant to what you said . The ten statements are just a small part of the Torah . They are called the ten statements , not commandments ! Let me finish with the perfect verse to this discussion .

He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4


Now you can see it in its correct context !
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surley your not saying that the lord gave moses 600+ commandments written in stone,the only ones written in stone were the ten commandments that we refer to today.wether you call them statements or commandments or rules or whatever you want they still exist and were written in stone by the hand of god.do u seriously think there were 600+ commandments or statements written in stone?if so can you please back up your claim with the scripture.i personally read the complete jewish bible and have no recollection of the lord writing 600+ commands in stone at mount sinai.anyone else know anything about this?
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surley your not saying that the lord gave moses 600+ commandments written in stone,the only ones written in stone were the ten commandments that we refer to today.wether you call them statements or commandments or rules or whatever you want they still exist and were written in stone by the hand of god.do u seriously think there were 600+ commandments or statements written in stone?if so can you please back up your claim with the scripture.i personally read the complete jewish bible and have no recollection of the lord writing 600+ commands in stone at mount sinai.anyone else know anything about this?
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He wrote more than the ten Commandments .

Deuteronomy 31:19

King James Version (KJV)

19Now therefore write ye this song for you, and teach it the children of Israel: put it in their mouths, that this song may be a witness for me against the children of Israel.
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The Security of the Believer:

Perseverance of the Saints



Scripture teaches that the elect are those whom God set apart, effectually called, sanctified by the Spirit, and justified. These will be glorified—nothing in all of creation can separate them from the love of God (cf. Rom. 8:28ff.).

The assertion that one can forfeit or lose his righteousness/justification after being imputed with the righteousness of Jesus Christ, God the Son (cf. Rom. 44:4-8), theologically misapprehends both the sufficiency of the perfect work of Christ and the biblical doctrine of justification. The notion that justification is temporary implies that creaturely performance (good behavior, obedience, love, etc.) is required to maintain a righteous status before God, which is consistent with Roman Catholicism, not biblical theology.

Before examining the biblical evidence for perseverance of the saints, an important fact must be stated: perseverance of the saints does not mean that anyone who merely professes “Jesus Christ” is sealed and saved for eternity. Only true believers have eternal life.[1] For those whom God regarded (elected) as His own, He called to Himself, declared them righteous by imputing them with the perfect righteousness of His Son. These, Jesus says, will be resurrected to life (cf. John 6:39). God infallibly saves and brings all of His beloved to glorification: “Do not fear, for I have redeemed you; I have called you by name; you are Mine!” (Isa. 43:1; cf. 54:10; Jer. 32:40).

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