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A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)

 
Revo/elation

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First, you must know some pretty simpleminded atheists if those are the sort of questions you get.

They sound more like questions some Christian evangelist would claim atheists ask in order to deliver his trite patronizing rhetoric.

Secondly... KEN HOVIND?

Really?
At this stage we're still getting links to Ken Hovind?

Ken "arrested on 58 charges of fraud and tax evasion" Hovind...
That's who you use as the backbone of your thread?


Fair enough but I am forced to question his integrity given his history, anyway back to your questions...

TBH, I never ask any of those questions you posit as common atheist inquiries.
But here's a question I do sometimes ask people like you... what kind of God allows Josef Fritzel's daughter to suffer twenty years of rape and captivity at the hands of her father?

What was the "divine" plan for her and all the other countless souls suffering like her right this second?

You don't think they are praying, begging God to help them... but for most of them, for 99% of them... God is callously silent.

What possible lesson did God want her to learn and could only be delivered by twenty years of rape, every single day for two decades of her life?
For her to give birth to his children and then have them forced to watch?

How DARE you preach this drivel about a compassionate God in the face of such suffering, what cheek, what arrogance, what blindness.

I'm sure God works in mysterious ways and all, but I'm just asking you to speculate, hypothesize for us, wonder aloud... what was your all loving compassionate God trying to teach that girl?

Your God created all of existence knowing that one day that girl would be in that basement... Please, justify that with your faith if you can and demonstrate the utter arrogance and lack of any real compassion that typifies the religous believer.

You make yourself feel better with warm and fluffy stories about a caring God benevolently watching over his children... You just ignore the vast unimaginable scale of innocent suffering in the world.

A single child doesn't die in a burning building and you're all praising God's intervention while you ignore the other countless children enduring brutal horrific suffering every second of the day.

Religion isn't a crutch, it's a fluffy pillow you bury your face in and shut out the reality of existence because you can't cope any other way.

I trust my tone was civil enough for your thread, good day.
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Devastatingly, logical fair questions. And I'machristian. The only answer is that God has an enemy. Also you can not defy God just because you're mad at injustice and feel compelled to stick to your guns. I am sick to death from things like you mention above. One of my first questions guaranteed. And I don't get it either! But it doesn't mean He doesn't exist.
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
Quite a thread here OP.

random points

non-believers - Don't assume mans state will always be what it is or that there is not an end of an age and beginning of the next.

Immortality will be restored and justice will exacted

Also to non-believers; Because many Christians have clearly articulated that it's about a relationship rather than a building - I'm Pretty sure the whole "religion" false flag you routinely make happen every time is a cop-out.
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04/05/2013 10:53 PM
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
Quite a thread here OP.

random points

non-believers - Don't assume mans state will always be what it is or that there is not an end of an age and beginning of the next.

Immortality will be restored and justice will exacted

Also to non-believers; Because many Christians have clearly articulated that it's about a relationship rather than a building - I'm Pretty sure the whole "religion" false flag you routinely make happen every time is a cop-out.
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How do you define "non-believer"? Is the world really as simple as [one form of] Christianity and "everything else"?
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
Interesting talk.

If you are really a christian, and you really have a born again experience, then stop trying to convince( telling them once is good) atheists and agnostics to change. Remember, what Jesus said, if someone does not receive you in my name, dust the sand off your shoes, and move on.

Can you change the chaff and make it wheat, you cannot. It is beyond the scope of this discussion, as to what happens to the chaff after the wheat is gathered.Wisdom is in accepting this fact and moving on.Remember, not everyone is called, not everyone is chosen.

Jesus said, wide is the gate that leads to destruction, and there will be many that will walk in it, and narrow is the way to heaven, and a few that will find it. It has already been predestined as to whose names are written in that book.

Ask yourself, can you change what Jesus said? No. God is not at all frantic, trying to save somebody whose name is not even written in the book of life, why then are you so concerned about their welfare, and who put you in charge of their welfare?

The whole purpose of God, in the drama called creation is to prepare a people who would follow Him, not out of compulsion, but out of a willing, contrite and humble heart. For that reason, he allowed evil spiritual beings to deceive the hearts of men, so that they would not see the truth and perish, unless they chose to voluntarily humble themselves and seek HIM.

The whole purpose of creation therefore is The Glory of God, and in it, to reveal the sons of God, and to crown them as Kings, Royal Priests and Lords, for all eternity after they pass the furnace of tribulation, affliction, persecution, and all manner of evil things being thrown at them by an evil, perverse and wicked generation.

Can you develop muscles, without weights or resistance training. These atheists and agnostics and all manner of religious deceived bigots, serve this great purpose of preparing you for that glorious destiny. The purpose, and divine role of these ungodly masses (immaterial of whether they believe it or not), is to prepare you (The genuine born again Christians) as Kings, Royal Priesthood,and a Holy Nation of God's glorious elect - The Elite of the Elite, for the Glorious victories ahead of you in Jesus Christ.

Don't judge an atheist, nor an agnostic. Only God is the judge, who judges our deepest motives, who searches the deepest corners of our heart.You look to Christ, and you will find all answers.

Now do you understand, as to why Jesus, always spoke in parables, WHY?????

It is so that, most people would not understand it. Yes, that is right. So, that those who claim that they can see, would never even see the faintest glimpse of the truth, while babes and little children (with pure hearts), will see it quite naturally. That is why Jesus, said, you have to be like a child, to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Only those whose names are written in the book of life, may understand the code language, which is revealed to them by the Holy spirit, and is spiritual in nature and not intellectual. They can wallow in science and science becomes their god, deceive themselves, and lose their souls, and with all due respect, the responsibility for that is solely theirs and not yours.
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
I just have one question for the Christians.

The first thing you learn if you study history is that ALWAYS vary your evidence. Gather information from different unrelated secondary and primary sources and some of which must have no link.

Now the facts are that the bible has TWO sources, the old and New Testament. Also these are two secondary sources (the least reliable by an historians view). But yes there are multiple people who wrote the bible but they had close experiences with each other and all share the same view which MUST suggest some sort of bias? Also the bible is so damn old and has been shifted and changed by us and its been through so many hands that here's no doubt that that someone fucked with it to support their view. Also I really don't need to go on about interpretation as there are so many different ones that the bible HAS to show some sort of haziness as we can't know for sure what it is saying.

Now because if this unreliable evidence people have adapted to it when it doesn't supply the evidence they need, my favourite "god works in mysterious ways"........which basically means there are all too many gaps in the 'evidence' for the bible.

Anyway my question is this. How can anyone KNOW that god do this and that when the evidence is way to unreliable to support their view? When l it comes down to it we're all what we hate 'fence sitters' atheist and Christians alike as we really don't know shit about how the universe started and all that jazz. We as humans are just intelligent enough to question our existence which causes us to come up with some stuf about a Big Bang or god or Allah etc. also we are group animals which causes us to need someone or something to tell us what to do and think as in the alpha male of our group.

If you didn't guess I'm an atheist as its the best fence sitting position available. Btw this doesn't mean I hate Christianity as you know australia is filled with Christians and i'm good friends with most of them haha, I just think its illogical.
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
I will never apologize for being a Christian.

Never.
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07/01/2013 09:41 AM
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Re: A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
It actually takes much more faith to believe in happenstance and evolution than a creator.. It's so totally ridiculous and out there that you have to force yourself to believe such foolishness!!





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