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Message Subject A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)
Poster Handle The Light of God~~~
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I'm an atheist. The statements in the OP don't reflect my views. I'm not interested in having a debate, but for those who would like to understand atheism better (or at least my view of atheism; it's certainly not the only one), I offer the following:

1) Atheist: Who created God?

It doesn't make any sense to me to ask who created something that doesn't exist.

A word about what the "universe" is: it's everything that exists, but the concept says nothing about how it's structured (dimensions, branes, etc). Which means, the universe has always existed. It had no beginning and will have no end; it does not need a creator. To say a creator exists outside the universe is to say it exists outside of existence--which is a contradiction.

2) Atheist: God does not exist?

Through the wonderful power of the human mind, I don't need to know everything to know something doesn't exist. I haven't seen every square ever created, but I know none of them have only three sides. I haven't known every man ever born, but I know they are all mortal. Humans are capable of understanding the world around us, and one thing we can say for sure is that contradictions can't exist.

3) Atheist: The existence of God is illogical!

Human existence is perfectly logical. We may not understand each and every step for how life evolved and how we got here, but so what? I'm willing to live with some uncertainty, because I know I have the capability to understand.

When I look at a flower or a tree or a human, what I see is the awesomeness of what has happened as a result billions of years of evolution; of trial-and-error at the molecular level on such an immense scale. That's much more inspiring to me than the idea that it was designed by some all-powerful being.

4) Atheist: Can God create a rock...

I would never say this. Something that doesn't exist can't create anything.

5) Atheist: Prove God!

I would never ask this. You can't prove something that doesn't exist.

6) Atheist: I only believe in what I can see and touch.

How can you possibly *know* that God exists "outside of time" or "outside of the universe"?

The only way humans know anything about the world around us is through our senses. We then integrate and process those sensory inputs into ideas and concepts (which we can then process into other ideas). Ideas and other things that I can't see or touch do exist; they're real, and I "believe in them."

When it comes down to it, the only way to believe in something that doesn't exist is either from a cultural base ("church is fun"), or thorough conditioning (usually starting in childhood), or based on feeling; on emotion. The truth is that it's impossible to know anything about the world based on emotion. Emotions are a response, a secondary, not a primary. I believe the idea that you can learn things about the world through emotion is the fundamental place that many atheists and religionists differ.

7) God is spiritual and is proved with spiritual methods.

How do you know about other spiritual things? As I said above, the only way to know anything is by processing your sensory inputs using your mind. We can know and understand many "spiritual" things with material methods--things like the nature of love and happiness, for example.

8) Logical proof of God.

Everything you described here also has an explanation that does not require supernatural intervention.

What humans "want" or "need" has no bearing on how the universe works. It does, however, influence the structure of our belief systems.

BTW, the word "supernatural" is a contradiction. Everything that exists is part of nature, and is therefore natural.

9) Einstein and Strindberg. Wise men!

Arguments from authority mean nothing to me.
 Quoting: Ace 14741767


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