A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)

Yes, God is the First Cause of the Physical Universe.



The existence of the living cell defies a random naturalistic origin. It is an incredibly complex system that points to intelligent design.

Existing isnt just physical, there is zero proof of a magic man being first cause and it fits no 'rational' model.

Cells do the complete opposite, they are easily viewable and theoretically creatable as random.

It is perfectly rational to infer that a system of laws originated with an intelligence.

There is zero proof that the physical universe created itself naturally out of nothing and yet you have blind faith in that.



They are about as "theoretically creatable" as closing your eyes, mashing a keyboard, and by chance typing out the Encylopedia Britannica word for word with no grammatical errors. In other words it is operationally impossible.

"theoretically possible" is another way of saying "anything is possible until we disprove it". You may as well be arguing that the flying spaghetti monster literally exists.

The most rational explanation is that such a sophisticated biological system was intelligently designed. Your Naturalistic Faith won't allow you to follow the logic.

And we're not even touching on the many examples of cosmological fine-tuning of which a slight variation would not allow life to exist.

Everything points to intelligent design.

The difference being that science looks backwards in time to work towards the answers, rather than relying on a poorly translated book that thinks we are only 6,000 years old.

When you start dealing with billions of years then random becomes more possible.

It is perfectly rational to infer that a system of laws originated with an intelligence.

There is zero proof that the physical universe created itself naturally out of nothing and yet you have blind faith in that.



They are about as "theoretically creatable" as closing your eyes, mashing a keyboard, and by chance typing out the Encylopedia Britannica word for word with no grammatical errors. In other words it is operationally impossible.

"theoretically possible" is another way of saying "anything is possible until we disprove it". You may as well be arguing that the flying spaghetti monster literally exists.

The most rational explanation is that such a sophisticated biological system was intelligently designed. Your Naturalistic Faith won't allow you to follow the logic.

And we're not even touching on the many examples of cosmological fine-tuning of which a slight variation would not allow life to exist.

Everything points to intelligent design.

1) Atheist: Who created God?

THE CREATER COULD NOT HAVE BEEN CREATED BECAUSE IN THAT CASE HE WOULDN'T BE THE CREATOR!

It's nice to see mature responses for once but I would love to hear a few replies from some atheists and what your opinion is about this. I do make a few good points in my first post right?

Friend this thread ...just confirms the bipolar nature of universal reality. Not that it matters or changes how each bipolar humans choose to find, loose, confuse and delude themselves, about both their own lives and mortality and existence.

It amazes me that all our hierarchal doctrines and elitist delusion all claim the same assumption ..that we humans are somehow very important and special things and righteous in some way above everything (except our own corrupt and created hierarchies of course..religion being one of many)

Basically friend ...what we think and do here does not actually matter in the slighted (except of course to us and our lives now). Bipolar Infinity does not have any conscience or require an u;timate designer creator figure or hierarchal leaders and or polar oppositions..these are all delusional human constructs

How can it be that the universe is full of bipolar energy and matter and completely unstable and always cyclically changing (yet according to religious texts and folks was solely created by a polar singularity (all positve, good and loving) called god?...isn't that a contradiction and theorectically impossible ..or is god actually bipolar too?
also strangely come the rules of engagement..iet strangely this god does not comply to the same rules and commandments or morales ..hmmm very interesting

Have you ever considered that your god and devil thingy's are simply the polarised extremes of the self same energy..that we now called bipolar electricity? cos it can bring light and life and ironnically destroy and kill too!

Now tell me friend...do you think electricity really has a soul or even conscience to think, feel or reflect about it's positive and negative actions and interaction..if No then why do you create a religion and institional hierarchal system that claims you need to serve and pray to it for some form of salvation?

Secondlt religion use the world eternal for heaven and hell therefore bipolar reality of good and bad is eternal then. God and the devil can't neutralise eachother..it's that confirmation of bipolar reality too..therefore both ways confirm that all energy, matter and life (i.e. the evolving expressions of these positive and negative forces) are infinite bipolar and get re-used and recycle..but I think without any purpose or meaning or agenda..as I said before these are all human rationales and contructs..Not universal constructs.

Anyway it really doen't matter friend and I think you have right to believe and delude yourself to whatever makes you happy..but truth that's another matter entirely, which humans are not geared to see or accept. This thread and my response only confirms this point

"Essentially, I realized that to stay an atheist, I would have to believe that nothing produces everything; non-life produces life; randomness produces fine-tuning; chaos produces information; unconsciousness produces consciousness; and non-reason produces reason. Those leaps of faith were simply too big for me to take, especially in light of the affirmative case for God's existence and Jesus' resurrection (and, hence, his divinity). In other words, in my assessment the Christian worldview accounted for the totality of the evidence much better than the atheistic worldview."

Lee Strobel, former Atheist