A Christian's opinion about Atheists arguments against the existence of God. (Discussion thread)

When thinking about a "Creator God", can you not think in terms of an old gray-haired, bearded man or a younger version of him? Can you think of a "Creator God" that doesn't demand a blood sacrifice or cutting a part off your body that was originally put there by the "Creator God"? Can you think of a "Creator God" that didn't give different cultures different laws and rituals to follow? Can you grasp the concept that all the "gods" and "religions" are just cultural?

Who's "God" is God?

But here's a question I do sometimes ask people like you... what kind of God allows Josef Fritzel's daughter to suffer twenty years of rape and captivity at the hands of her father?

What was the "divine" plan for her and all the other countless souls suffering like her right this second?

I believe the soul of Josef Fritzel's daughter could have been someone who had been a violent sadist and rapist in a previous life, and that God allowed that soul to be reborn as a female so to experience the sadistic captivity and raping for 20 years and be truly humbled by it.

In a sense, souls who lived in past lives in bodily fleshes and did the most horrible and sadistic deeds must be judged and punished by God into the next lives, that way they would experience the most horrible and sadistic acts to be inflicted upon them.

I believe the soul of Josef Fritzel's daughter could have been someone who had been a violent sadist and rapist in a previous life, and that God allowed that soul to be reborn as a female so to experience the sadistic captivity and raping for 20 years and be truly humbled by it.

In a sense, souls who lived in past lives in bodily fleshes and did the most horrible and sadistic deeds must be judged and punished by God into the next lives, that way they would experience the most horrible and sadistic acts to be inflicted upon them.

Only a devil would do such a thing. That woman has no memory of having previously been a sadistic and cruel man. So the being, that is being punished knows not why she is being punished.

I believe the soul of Josef Fritzel's daughter could have been someone who had been a violent sadist and rapist in a previous life, and that God allowed that soul to be reborn as a female so to experience the sadistic captivity and raping for 20 years and be truly humbled by it.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened.

I believe the soul of Josef Fritzel's daughter could have been someone who had been a violent sadist and rapist in a previous life, and that God allowed that soul to be reborn as a female so to experience the sadistic captivity and raping for 20 years and be truly humbled by it.

In a sense, souls who lived in past lives in bodily fleshes and did the most horrible and sadistic deeds must be judged and punished by God into the next lives, that way they would experience the most horrible and sadistic acts to be inflicted upon them.

Why should I glorify that sadistic fucker you call your "God"? Why do you?
Are you out of your mind?

Since you say there is a god which religion is the right one to worship god?

First, you must know some pretty simpleminded atheists if those are the sort of questions you get.

They sound more like questions some Christian evangelist would claim atheists ask in order to deliver his trite patronizing rhetoric.

Secondly... KEN HOVIND?

Really?
At this stage we're still getting links to Ken Hovind?

Ken "arrested on 58 charges of fraud and tax evasion" Hovind...
That's who you use as the backbone of your thread?


Fair enough but I am forced to question his integrity given his history, anyway back to your questions...

TBH, I never ask any of those questions you posit as common atheist inquiries.
But here's a question I do sometimes ask people like you... what kind of God allows Josef Fritzel's daughter to suffer twenty years of rape and captivity at the hands of her father?

What was the "divine" plan for her and all the other countless souls suffering like her right this second?

You don't think they are praying, begging God to help them... but for most of them, for 99% of them... God is callously silent.

What possible lesson did God want her to learn and could only be delivered by twenty years of rape, every single day for two decades of her life?
For her to give birth to his children and then have them forced to watch?

How DARE you preach this drivel about a compassionate God in the face of such suffering, what cheek, what arrogance, what blindness.

I'm sure God works in mysterious ways and all, but I'm just asking you to speculate, hypothesize for us, wonder aloud... what was your all loving compassionate God trying to teach that girl?

Your God created all of existence knowing that one day that girl would be in that basement... Please, justify that with your faith if you can and demonstrate the utter arrogance and lack of any real compassion that typifies the religous believer.

You make yourself feel better with warm and fluffy stories about a caring God benevolently watching over his children... You just ignore the vast unimaginable scale of innocent suffering in the world.

A single child doesn't die in a burning building and you're all praising God's intervention while you ignore the other countless children enduring brutal horrific suffering every second of the day.

Religion isn't a crutch, it's a fluffy pillow you bury your face in and shut out the reality of existence because you can't cope any other way.

I trust my tone was civil enough for your thread, good day.

HOW DARE YOU PREACH A RUTHLESS GOD WHO SENDS HIS SHEEP INTO DEATH'S GRASP. HOW DARE YOU PREACH A FLUFFY STORY WHEN IT IS FACTUAL TRUTH. HOW DARE YOU ASSUME WISDOM WHEN YOU CAN'T SEE PAST YOUR OWN NOSE.


It just goes to show those who think they know do not.

I dont understand, this poster claims to be of a higher order of atheist, one who would ask deeper questions than the ones asked in the original post. How arrogant! Then, to top it all off, he gives the SAME OLD FUCKING RHETORIC THAT YOU HEAR ON EVERY STREET CORNER AND IN EVERY STARBUCKS.

"God must have made evil so he's either evil or not real."

God didn't make evil. God is real.

Deal with it or go to hell you fucking noob.

Before I start off I would like to mention a few things. This is not a hate thread and it's not my intention to start a big fight between Christians and atheists.

Since you say there is a god which religion is the right one to worship god?

An opinion about christians and atheists alike, both group have WAY to much time on their hands and show an Extreme amount of hostility by trying to prove to each others group what can't be proven!

On one side it allows the christians to act like the heathens (in their minds) that they fighting and it allows the atheists to show how stupid they are by replying to the christian garbage they spew!

THANKFULLY I'm not on either side I get to watch both sides make fools of themselves.

Christians you REALLY REALLY don't follow what you preach and to me it's amazing you have the balls to try and tell other people have they have it all wrong when you don't do what you say! Do as I say not as I do should be on your standard.

Atheists why do you reply to something you don't even believe in?

BOTH parties are AMAZINGLY ignorant of themselves and know even less about the subject matter at hand or for that matter what is real and what truth is!

Because if you chose one, the others say you are wrong. So which one is right?

So in the end chosing the wrong religion is just as bad and not believing in god because if you pick the wrong one you are dammed either way. So who's religion is right?