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Why December 25th?

 
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Why December 25th?
Why December 25th?

The early Christian church did not celebrate Jesusī birth, and therefore the exact date was not preserved in festivals. The first recorded mention of December 25th is in the Calendar of Philocalus (A.D. 354), which assumed Jesusī birth to be Friday, December 25th, A.D. 1. This was subsequent to Constantineīs Edict of Toleration in A.D. 313, which enabled the persecuted Christians to exchange the rags of hiding for the silks of the court. But the predictable expediency to adopt the inevitable cultural changes caused many of the former pagan rituals to be adapted to their new "Christian" trappings.

The date of December 25th, which was officially proclaimed by the church fathers in A.D. 440, was actually a vestige of the Roman holiday of Saturnalia, observed near the winter solstice, which itself was among the many pagan traditions inherited from the earlier Babylonian priesthood.3

Babylonian Traditions

All forms of occultic practices have their origins in the original city of Babylon. Isaiah Chapter 47 clearly brings this out. Most of what we associate with pagan Rome had its origins in ancient Babylon. Babylon is mentioned in over 300 references in the Bible; it is even alluded to three times in Christīs own genealogy.

The Tammuz Legend

Tammuz, the son of Nimrod and his queen, Semiramis, was identified with the Babylonian Sun God and worshipped following the winter solstice. As the days became shorter and shorter through the winter, they become the shortest at the winter solstice, about December 22-23. Tammuz was thought to have died during the winter solstice, and was memorialized by burning a log in the fireplace. (The Chaldean word for infant is yule. This is the origin of the "yule log.") His "rebirth" was celebrated by replacing the log with a trimmed tree the next morning. Sound familiar? (Jeremiah 10 contains an interesting verse which talks about trimming trees, etc.)

There are numerous other examples. The wassail bowl, the mistletoe (a fertility rite), and others are documented in such works as Alexander Hislopīs, The Two Babylons. When Babylon was conquered by subsequent empires, this entire religious system was transplanted, first to Pergamos under the Persians, and then to Rome. As the pagan Roman (Babylonian) religious system was integrated with Christian ceremonial observances, many of our current traditions surrounding Christmas emerged. And it appears that an "ecumenical" integration of all the worldīs religions, including the ancient Babylonian occult forms that presently masquerade as the "New Age," is destined to be the final religious climax.

The Throne of David

There is another aspect to keep in mind this Christmas season. As we recall the prophecy in Micah that prescribes that the Messiah was to be born in Bethlehem, notice the entire verse:

But thou, Bethlehem ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

Micah 5:2

Also, as we recall that other familiar prophecy in Isaiah, note again the whole verse:

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the Throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever.

Isaiah 9:6-7

The "Throne of David" is not just an Old Testament concept. Remember the Angel Gabrielīs promise to Mary:

And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Luke 1:31-33

But did Jesus ever actually sit on Davidīs throne? He couldnīt have. It didnīt exist at that time. Jeconaiah was the last of Davidīs line to sit on the throne. (Remember, the blood curse on his line.4) Herod, appointed by the Romans, was an Edomite ("Idumean"). He wasnīt even Jewish.

At the moment, Jesus is sitting on His Fatherīs Throne. The question is, will He ever sit on Davidīs throne? Will the promise that Gabriel announced to Mary also be fulfilled? Of course. (And it may be sooner than we think.)
Anonymous Coward
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Re: Why December 25th?
Thankyou OP
ashesand sackcloth

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Re: Why December 25th?
You will find Jeremia 10th chapter a good read on this subject. Sorry for the spelling. Not my best subject.
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Re: Why December 25th?
True Christians should not have anything to do with Pagan religious beliefs. They should not even try to change other beliefs to fit theirs. They should keep their worship clean and undefiled. Sadly and tragically not very many are doing this. Most just like to go with the flow.
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Re: Why December 25th?
constantine christianized paganism to make it easier for pagans to be assimilated into the catholic church

it was not right
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Re: Why December 25th?
Itīs a gimmick, it always has been. Utilized by the Catholic Church to control and abuse. Been used as a gimmick ever since.

Either like it or donīt. You really donīt have to observe Christmas if you donīt want to. i donīt feel itīs Christmas at all, because I work and go to school, and have little time to mess around.
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Re: Why December 25th?
"Tammuz, the son of Nimrod and his queen, Semiramis, was identified with the Babylonian Sun God and worshipped following the winter solstice. As the days became shorter and shorter through the winter, they become the shortest at the winter solstice, about December 22-23. Tammuz was thought to have died during the winter solstice, and was memorialized by burning a log in the fireplace."


Notice the Nimrod sun god church puts the dead body of Christ on a very large Tammuz T.
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Re: Why December 25th?
"At the moment, Jesus is sitting on His Father´s Throne. The question is, will He ever sit on David´s throne? Will the promise that Gabriel announced to Mary also be fulfilled? Of course. (And it may be sooner than we think.)"

It is right now. The throne of David is the Judean Lamp of God the 7 candle menorah. Jesus is ruling from there right now.


First off, love one another and truth fulfills the law of God.Jesus tells you this.I say nothing new.All those manmade religions out there are just frauds.Terminate them from your mind.Your mind is now a clean slate.

Secondly, if you love truth and search for it then you will find it and it will set you free.If you love truth you will find the Feasts of the LORD and you will be raised up on the 7TH Day which is the Last Great Day. God wants people who worship in spirit and in TRUTH. Don’t forget TRUTH.

There are 7 spiritual Days to the Lamp of the LORD Jesus Christ.

First one is Passover.Accept that Jesus leads you to spiritual life with the LORD.The LORD of the Old Testament and Jesus of the New Testament are the same.That is why Jesus is LORD.

Second one, Feast of Unleavened Bread. All them false religions out there are Leaven/ SINS.This Feast represents spiritually removing those SINS from your mind.We did that earlier in the post.Your mind is now a clean slate.

Third one, Pentecost. Represents your spiritual marriage to the true ways of the LORD.By doing these things you are spiritually married to the church of the LORD.You have been raised from the spiritually blind and dead.

Fourth one, Feast of Trumpets.Represents your spiritual rebirth and is the first day of your new spiritual body with the LORD. Spiritual New year.

Fifth one, Day of Atonement.Represents when you have repented from your SINS and are now at one with the LORD.

Sixth day, Feast of Tabernacles. Reminds you to spiritually live in small huts.To be humble.This is a gift from the LORD.

Seventh day, the Last Great Day.This represents your new raised up spiritual body that is restored and at rest with the LORD Jesus Christ.You now spiritually see the LORD and the LORD is truly with you.The Kingdom of Heaven is inside you and you have eternal spiritual life with the LORD if you accept it and live it.This is the key to entering New Jerusalem.



Once everyone learns these things we will get the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth free from all of the different manmade lie cults. God’s temple is your mind and the Kingdom of Heaven is within it. There will be no more confusion over religion and all mental illness and the war and suffering they cause will be eliminated. When we physically celebrate the LORD’s Days on the calendar, we are not to argue about how we do it. You have the freedom to celebrate them however you choose.Just remember their spiritual meanings and you will have eternal spiritual life with the LORD Jesus Christ.
Spirit of Truth

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Re: Why December 25th?
A wheat from the chaff seperating about to happen?
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Re: Why December 25th?
SOT, this thread is not about your cultlife beliefs
Spirit of Truth

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Re: Why December 25th?
What is it about?
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Re: Why December 25th?
Jeremia 10th chapter a good read on this subject
amen
what it about
itīs pagen
Spirit of Truth

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Re: Why December 25th?
So when people come out of their pagan ways then they head to the Feasts of the Lord Jesus.
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Re: Why December 25th?
SOT
you donīt teach the true gospel of Jesus Christ

so, you are cult like
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Re: Why December 25th?
These writings here about Nimrod, are extra Biblical, extra Scriptural. This legend of Nimrod has been developed and promoted by the Freemasons and they siblings. A Biblical search , or search of the Torah, find very little mention of Nimrod, and very very scantly details. His alledged wife and son are not mentioned at all in the Bible nor any of the Scriptures. I find it strange that those who promote Alexander Hislopīs "Two Babylons" have apparently never really researched the Scriptures. These who repeat Hislop as "gospel truth" need to go back and do their homework, about the source of the Nimrod legends.
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Re: Why December 25th?
who cares what the source is?

nimrod built a tower
we know that much
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Re: Why December 25th?
As far as observation of the "Feast Days" and Sabbaths, Apostle Paulīs Epistle to the Galatians, tells one:

(Col 2:16) Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:

(Col 2:17) Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Yes, the Body is of Christ and NOT of the Children of Israel, nor the body of Moses.

All of the 7 Feast days are commanded and contained in the Law of Moses, as given to Moses to give to the Children of Israel. But the Covenant given to Abraham was given 430 years before the giving of the Law of Moses. The Covenant of Abraham was to the effect that the promises of god would be recieved by faith in God, and not by the works of the Law of Moses. The Law of Moses had not been given yet.

WE as Christians are under the Covenant given to Abraham, and not under the Law of Moses, nor are most of us of the Children of Israel. Hence, the observation of the 7 Feast Days as commanded by Moses to the Children of Israel, is not commanded to us who are under the Covenant to Abraham and not under the Covenant of Moses at Sinai.

So, as Paul says, let no man judge you with respect to holy days, new moons, or sabbath days.

At any rate, those feast days are indeed there for our learning. We may or may not choose to observe them, and no one is to judge us for observing or not observing them. However, it is very beneficial to study them and about them to come into a knowledge of them and what they are all about.

If one does choose to observe holidays (holy-days) and one professes Judaism, or even Christianity, then it would seem or should seem quite natural to want to at least observe those days in spirit as opposed to the days which the pagan religions choose to observe.

It is interesting that the First Sabbath Day of the month always started within two days of the New Moon, and as we all know, that is often neither Saturday nor Sunday. I have always found this to be a wonder that our current calander systems and even most dogma sunset Friday to sunset Saturday to be the Sabbath day, and doesnīt seem to follow the commands given to Moses pertaining to the New Moon as the first sabbath of the month.

Who is it today that seems to more accurately observe the weekly lunar Sabbaths, based on observation (looking at the Sky and seeing where the Moon is and what phase it is in...)? It seems that today, many Pagans are more faithful to that commandment of MOses pertaining to the new moons that is even Judaism. Go figure. Christians taking Pagan holigys, Pagans taking Jewish Holidays, and for the Most part Jewish followers having forsaken their own weekly sabbaths in the accuracy set down by Moses.

Go figure.. And so , let no man judge you, one way or the other. For one man will deem certain days to be of high holiness and another man will deem every day to be holy unto God. Let each be persauded in his own heart. Either way, God gets worshipped.
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Re: Why December 25th?
AC:480, check your Genesis, who does IT say built the city and tower of Babel?

And without the source of Genesis, there is no other writing in antiquity to base the issue of Nimrod on.
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Re: Why December 25th?
"SOT
you don´t teach the true gospel of Jesus Christ"

480 what do you say the true gospel of Christ is?
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Re: Why December 25th?
11942 - Actually, the new moon was tonight. Its not the conjunction that God goes by. Its the first crescent that is seen. (Chodesh)





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