Question for Sabbath Keepers

You could become an Orthodox Jew. You would find support there...

Or maybe, when Jesus said that he came not to destroy the laws, but fulfill them, that released you from your obligation.

I know that many people do not accept the Gospel of Thomas, but it that, Jesus told his disciples, "Do not do what you despise."

Good Luck....

I don´t know about the Sabbath.

But I´ve been trying to follow the dietary laws, and the people at home keep getting angry at me, like they´ll serve me pig, and then get angry that I don´t want to eat it. Then they think I´m trying to be better than them by not eating pig. :(

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I had a little bit of that myself, but, now for over a year I have been just doing it and not talking about it, and it no longer is an issue.
I think it is better for me too, I dont really worry about my weight at all anymore. It stays the same. And not eating pork or other stuff, really was not that hard to give up.

I do not think I could be an Orthodox Jew because I believe in Yeshua. Also I just want to follow GOds Laws, not the Doctrines of man. It seems that most religions are mixed with the doctrines of man. It takes great discernment.

Hi i hope you were listening to GLp radio as i answered your question best i could.

As for eating pork, the Lord told Peter, "Do not call unclean that which I have made clean."

You would be wise to heed those words. If you´d rather not eat pork, that´s fine. Your choice.

As for keeping the Sabbath, it´s nearly impossible to do that, whether one chooses either Saturday or Sunday. I try not to visit establishments that are open on Sunday because commerce is being done on that day, causing families to be separated while one member works. I do not wish to be part of the problem.

Reading the book of Ezra gave me an understanding that economic well-being is lost when the Sabbath is not honored. Look at us today! Some choice! The Spiritual law has been cast aside for money.

There should be one day set aside to honor the Lord but, again, things being what they are, it is mo$t difficult to do. It´$ the time$.

There has been a great falling away in this country from the days when the Sabbath was honored.

Things being as they are:

Col:2;16: Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
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By loving one another you are spiritually keeping the Sabbath and fulfilling all of the law all day every day.

Sabbath 7th Day rest is a state of mind.To not work on the Sabbath means that you know that love fulfills the law, you are in bondage to no tradition of man, and you are spiritually at rest with Jesus Christ. You can physically celebrate it on a day however you choose.People are not to argue about what to do on those days.

I choose to physically celebrate the 7 Feasts of the Judean Menorah for my yearly holy days. I will just invite my pagan family and friends and whomever comes is fine. After I see who is coming then I will coordinate with everyone to bring a dish to eat for a feast. As for the weekly Sabbath I just light 7 candles and have a nice dinner with the family.Sure will be nice when everyone is doing these things and we don´t have to argue with the pagans about the debt creating gift giving sun god holidays.

As we transition to the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth and people come out of their Babylon pagan ways, it will be tough dealing with our blind pagan family and friends.Just be a rock like Christ and be patient and talk with them and help them understand if they choose.

Ham --- Mmmmmm !
Bacon --- Mmmmmm !
Sausage --- Mmmmmm !

"Ham --- Mmmmmm !
Bacon --- Mmmmmm !
Sausage --- Mmmmmm !"



Matt 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.



I love ham, bacon, and sausage. What I stay away from is the leaven of Noah´s son Ham.

and the leaven of Noah´s son Ham was Ham´s false teachings which led to Nimrod which led to sun god worship which we see our pagan family and friends blinded by and seperated from the true ways of the LORD Jesus Christ.

It was Solomon who wrote, "All is vanity and a chase after the wind."

People do a lot of things to satisfy self, thinking themselves to be "holy" and pleasing to God. That would be OK if they left others to love God and Neighbor as they are led to do so, which is ALL THE LAW anyway.

So if you want to light candles, celebrate feasts, whatever, then just do it. Just remember, you are basically pleasing self, not that the "feasts" with family and friends aren´t enjoyable. God has no need of such.
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Why do pagans like to force their religion on people?

"So if you want to light candles, celebrate feasts, whatever, then just do it. Just remember, you are basically pleasing self, not that the "feasts" with family and friends aren´t enjoyable. God has no need of such."


But God wants those who worship in truth.Those Feasts are the true ones.


John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.


We are free to celebrate the Feasts however we choose.

I´m not Jewish. I no longer eat pork. I no longer celebrate the holidays. And I no longer believe in God.

That crispy bacon and those salami sandwiches sure are good. I think I might have to start eating pork again, why not?

"Why does anyone try to force their religion on people?"

No one is forcing you to worship God(truth). It is just smart to worship truth don´t ya thank?

Magical,

I am a Sabbath keeper. We have kept it by ourselves for about 9 months now. Our church disbanded back in March because of the doctrinal changes we decided to make.

Here are some helps -

1. Saturday is the 7th day of the week. God rested on the 7th day. We stop our regular work at sunset. You can still cook. But, regular housework or work you are paid to do you shouldn´t be doing. This is a long process if you are converting & have worked with an employer for any great length of time. Some might be understanding, some might fire you. If you remember, you application might have said "we discriminate on the basis of religion, etc.". If so, you can use that to your advantage. Offer to work after sunset & on Sundays.

2. There are 10 annual festivals. Most Churches of God only keep 7 or 8. But there are 10. There is the Lord´s Supper which is the night before Passover. This is leading up to the Days of Unleavened Bread. Then there is Passover, this is a very special night. This represents the night that all of the first born were killed in Egpyt & also the night that Pharoah said the Israelites could leave. Then the first Day of Unelavened Bread. This is an annual Sabbath. Meaning, you don´t do any regular work this day. And also, you must remove ALL leavening from your home. (yeast, baking powder, baking soda, anything with dicalcium phosphate) I can locate a web page that has a listing of all the leavening ingredients. If your family in your home chooses not to do this, then just de-leaven a part of your home for you during this week. This is a festival for 7 days. During this week, there is a also a day called the Festival of First Fruits, this falls on the Sunday during the days of unleavened Bread. Not an annual Sabbath, but it is an appointment with God. You can find all these festivals in Lev. 23. There are many more festivals to look forward to celebrating. They are a JOY to keep. We are keeping Hanukkah right now. The last night is tomorrow night.
(goto www.godthefather.us & click on the button "hostess" & I can explain everything to you in greater detail.)

3. Your family will see your light once you start following God. They may eventually change, but it will take time. We don´t celebrate the pagan holidays. We don´t even visit my family on those pagan days. Thanksgiving, Fourth of July, Memorial Day are perfectly fine to celebrate. There is nothing wrong there. New Year´s, Valentine´s Day, St. Patricks, Easter, May Day, Halloween & Xmas are BIG no no´s. Even going to eat the dinner on Xmas shouldn´t be done.

I hope I have helped out somewhat. Changing your life to follow God can be overwhelming. There is also the keeping of New Moons. (which is tonight by the way) This isn´t the conjunction but the first "crescent" that is seen from Israel. Visit www.karaite-korner for more info on this.

Orthodox Judiasm has its drawbacks. They do somethings right. But don´t accept Jesus as the Messiah. Messianic Jews do a lot more things correctly but still have some drawbacks. We try to follow everything by the bible. BUT there are somethings that can´t be done. We can´t do sacrifices, because there is NO temple & NO levitical priests. But AFTER Jesus returns, the sacrifices will resume. (Eze. 43) ALL will keep the Feast of Tabernacles AFTER Jesus returns, Zech. 14:16.

I suggest you get paltalk. (www.paltalk.com) There is a torah observant chat room in which is mostly biblically based. My husband & I are usually in there on the Sabbath participating in the bible study. You´ll recognize me. Same name there as here.

Keep asking questions, I´ll be glad to help you anyway I can. I´ve been following Gods´ way for almost 20 years now.

Shabbat Shalom!

Happy Sabbath!

Mopar still has not learned that love fulfills ALL the law.Still in bondage to traditions of the Pharisees.Like I said before, Sabbath rest is a state of mind of knowing love fulfills ALL the law. You can physically celebrate the Feasts however you choose.Jesus gives us that freedom.The dietary laws were to keep God´s people from fallen spiritual ways(mind food). You can eat whatever physical food you want as long as it doesn´t kill you.Isn´t it nice worshipping God in spirit instead of physical as mopar does because she is caught up in Pharisee teachings?Mopar should listen to Jesus and be free.I have to go eat some pork chops now.Free is nice.Thanks Jesus.

Matt 15:11 Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

"...when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth..."

That has nothing to do with lighting candles, not eating certain foods, or keeping new moons and such that only satisfy the individual. God does NOT require that sort of "worship".

He only requires that we take care of the widows and the orphans, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, give water to the thirsty. Lighting candles and just wishing these people well does nothing to fill the NEED. That is our mission.

Jesus said that if you will love God with all of your heart, mind, soul and strength and your neighbor as yourself, you have fulfilled the Law. Everything else is for your own personal satisfaction...like the Pharisees of old kept the "law" scrupulously. Jesus called them hypocrites. Go figure.
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God made the Sabbath for man, not man for the Sabbath

"He only requires that we take care of the widows and the orphans, feed the hungry, clothe the naked, give water to the thirsty. Lighting candles and just wishing these people well does nothing to fill the NEED. That is our mission."


I do this everyday just about.If you spiritually feed the poor then that will eventually solve the problem of the physical poor. A monetarily rich man can be very spiritually poor. Concentrate on spiritually feeding these type people and heal them then eventually the physical poor problem will disappear.For example, the Rothschilds are very rich physically but very poor spiritually.

"This is basic stuff.....does ´religion´ really have to be a factor in a good person´s life?"

It is important to understand truth about God so that all wars and confusion end.What do you think God is?

"Then the first Day of Unelavened Bread. This is an annual Sabbath. Meaning, you don´t do any regular work this day. And also, you must remove ALL leavening from your home. (yeast, baking powder, baking soda, anything with dicalcium phosphate) I can locate a web page that has a listing of all the leavening ingredients. If your family in your home chooses not to do this, then just de-leaven a part of your home for you during this week."


See I knew you followed Pharisee false thinking mopar.Leaven represents Sin which is false religion. Remove false religion from your spiritual house. You don´t need to do anything with physical bread removal.You fell for the leaven of the pharisees mopar.Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees. Beware of the leaven of mopar.7th Day rest is a state of mind.Love fulfills ALL the law.

The Truth: man made the sabbath not God.

Check out the Philadelphia Church of God, they keep Sabbath on Saturday, don´t do the pagan holidays, keep passover, the feasts, and don´t believe in eating unclean meat. True Christainity...

[link to www.pcog.org]

Well the Bible says God is a spirit of truth.So that includes what you say Jennifer.

Psalm 31:5 Into thine hand I commit my spirit: thou hast redeemed me, O LORD God of truth.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Then the Feasts of truth just tell us to avoid religions of man and love one another and truth.So really, God is pretty simple and direct.
So do you now understand God better?

"So really, God is pretty simple and direct."

I should have said the rules of God for us to follow to get back to the Garden of Eden are pretty simple and direct.

"Check out the Philadelphia Church of God, they keep Sabbath on Saturday, don´t do the pagan holidays, keep passover, the feasts, and don´t believe in eating unclean meat. True Christainity..."

Most of us would classify that as being a cult. David Karesh (?) and his "family" were considered as being a cult. This is NOT true Christianity.

Jesus did, indeed, as one poster wrote, set us FREE from such observances. Oh, well. You can take the people out of Egypt (darkness), but it´s really hard to get Egypt out of the people, I guess because many still like ritual.
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A lot of people just celebrate a physical 7th day and have no idea what the spiritual 7th Day of rest is.

The 7th Day is a state of mind and once you get there you have eternal spiritual life with the LORD.


First off, love one another and truth fulfills the law of God.Jesus tells you this.I say nothing new.All those manmade religions out there are just frauds.Terminate them from your mind.Your mind is now a clean slate.

Secondly, if you love truth and search for it then you will find it and it will set you free.If you love truth you will find the Feasts of the LORD and you will be raised up on the 7TH Day which is the Last Great Day. God wants people who worship in spirit and in TRUTH. Don’t forget TRUTH.

There are 7 spiritual Days to the Lamp of the LORD Jesus Christ.

First one is Passover.Accept that Jesus leads you to spiritual life with the LORD.The LORD of the Old Testament and Jesus of the New Testament are the same.That is why Jesus is LORD.

Second one, Feast of Unleavened Bread. All them false religions out there are SINS.This Feast represents spiritually removing those SINS from your mind.We did that earlier in the post.Your mind is now a clean slate.

Third one, Pentecost. Represents your spiritual marriage to the true ways of the LORD.By doing these things you are spiritually married to the church of the LORD.You have been raised from the spiritually blind and dead.

Fourth one, Feast of Trumpets.Represents your spiritual rebirth and is the first day of your new spiritual body with the LORD. Spiritual New year.

Fifth one, Day of Atonement.Represents when you have repented from your SINS and are now at one with the LORD.

Sixth day, Feast of Tabernacles. Reminds you to spiritually live in small huts.To be humble.This is a gift from the LORD.

Seventh day, the Last Great Day.This represents your new raised up spiritual body that is restored and at rest with the LORD Jesus Christ.You now spiritually see the LORD and the LORD is truly with you.The Kingdom of Heaven is inside you and you have eternal spiritual life with the LORD if you accept it and live it.This is the key to entering New Jerusalem.



Once everyone learns these things we will get the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth free from all of the different manmade lie cults. God’s temple is your mind and the Kingdom of Heaven is within it. There will be no more confusion over religion and all mental illness and the war and suffering they cause will be eliminated. When we physically celebrate the LORD’s Days on the calendar, we are not to argue about how we do it. You have the freedom to celebrate them however you choose.Just remember their spiritual meanings and you will have eternal spiritual life with the LORD Jesus Christ.

The spiritual meanings of the Feasts are Jesus Christ and the physical celebrations on the calendar are the shadow.It is the spiritual message of Jesus that matters. Love one another and truth and you spiritually fulfill the law.No bondage to any traditions of man.

You all at the 7th Day of spiritual rest with the LORD yet?